US Presidential Election Poll

US Election - who do you hope wins?

  • McCain

    Votes: 9 36.0%
  • Obama

    Votes: 16 64.0%

  • Total voters
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  • Poll closed .

Colpy

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McCain.

I don't trust cults of personality.

And Obama will be bad for Canada-US relations.

But I wish whomever wins the very best.....they have an impossible job ahead of them.
 

Curiosity

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I still have no idea - I am holding off for the boring news debates where three old news hacks grill the candidates.

They were asking for ten - but only have three scheduled. I guess ten would be too much of the same thing ...

The conventions are a fun watch and more interesting for an audience but they don't really get into the sticky stuff until it's a one-on-one. I want to see how they work in
close quarters with seconds to respond.
 

Colpy

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Thanks Curio......this line from the article says it all.......

The facts Middle America must consider about the two men vying for its votes is Obama's record of barely 143 days in Congress with no military service, and McCain's record of 26 years in Congress with 22 years of military service.
 

Colpy

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Rex Murphy gives Obama a bit of a backhand in the Globe and Mail today as well....says his Convention speech was not up to the event or the day......
 

Kreskin

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T Boone Pickens says anyone who thinks drilling for more oil will solve the energy problem is completely missing the point. No amount of drilling in Alaska or offshore will change the status quo.
 

#juan

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Just how is McCain different from Bush?............................................ He's a bit taller...:roll:
 
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Curiosity

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Hillary's people are not happy with their treatment by the Democratic powers after the money raising and work they have put into the campaign - they are being shunned now...

Apparently Palin is looking good to that group - talk about a uniter!

Hey DNC....We're Over It. Now You Get Over It!


We watched in horror as you told your base that they were no longer needed and that we could just "stay home". We watched in stunned outrage when you were silent on sexism and propelled the race card. www.hillaryclintonforum.net

You called us uneducated, old, blue collar, gun toters, clingers, not urban, souless, clueless, and basically threw us to the dogs. You told us to shut up, get over it and fall in line.

Many of us have donated, worked hard for the DNC for years if not decades. We have been true blue loyal and you not only turned your backs on us, you did everything in your power to humiliate us. We are over it. We will not be back as long as the DNC is being run by a bunch of left wing zealots. We will not stay home and we will not vote Democrat this year.

Hillary supporters who are now overwhelmingly abandoning the Obama ticket to vote for Palin -

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Sorry DNC, we've washed our hands of your candidate and quite possibly of the freak show that is the DNC. The ball is in your half of the court. Deal with it. You're on your own now, since you don't need us.
For the first time in my entire adult life, I'm proud to be voting Republican

The DNC handed the silver platter with the keys to The White House on it back to the GOP's during the "faux call" on the floor of the Convention.

Can not wait to see this NEW UNDEMOCRATIC PARTY lose in November

The DNC insiders never, ever planned on allowing Hillary to be on the top of the ticket. They sabatoged her candidacy and in doing so defrauded her supporters. We were used and abused. Well no more......PUMA!

No, no, no....Not God Bless the DNC. God Damn the DNC.
Democratic ***CHICKENS*** are becoming INDEPENDENT
ditto. donna brazile's remarks were just disgraceful and the phony roll call was pitiful. they dont need us and they are not going to get us. it was your choice dnc. you told us to go away and we will.

Hillary has a huge I Told You So light shining all around her. She will continue to work for our country and the party of FDR, and when the DNC hooligans are kicked to the curb, Hillary will rise--as usual.

In the meantime, I'm looking for a Hillary Supporter for McCain/Palin button. PUMA!
 

earth_as_one

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Currently the US is run by people who started unprovoked war of aggression against Iraq, approved torture and violated Geneva conventions regarding the treatment of POWs. These people should be held to the same standard as the Nazis tried at Nuremberg trials.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials

While McCain supported their heinous crimes, Obama spoke out against them. Obama's popularity may be personality based to some degree, that isn't why people should be for or against him.

People should elect leaders based on their stand on the issues. In the case of Obama, his stand on the Iraq war separates him from McCain.

Barack Obama's Iraq Speech

Delivered on Wednesday, October 2, 2002 by Barack Obama, Illinois State Senator, at the first high-profile Chicago anti-Iraq war rally (organized by Chicagoans Against War in Iraq) at noon in Federal Plaza in Chicago, Illinois; at the same day and hour that President Bush and Congress announced their agreement on the joint resolution authorizing the Iraq War, but over a week before it was passed by either body of Congress.

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don’t oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton’s army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

I don’t oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration’s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.

I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income — to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics....

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

Obama's lack of association with people who have committed war crimes should be considered an asset, not a liability.

I also find McCain's attack ads against Obama insulting. They quote him out of context and create false perceptions. Its same type of fear mongering manipulations which led the US into war.

McCain Attack Ad Makes an Issue of Iran


By Juliet Eilperin

Sen. John McCain's (R-Ariz.) campaign unveiled a new attack ad questioning Sen. Barack Obama's (D-Ill.) foreign policy credentials, which starts today on national cable, in Denver and in scattered markets throughout the country.

The ad, which takes selected phrases from remarks the presumptive Democratic nominee made on May 18 in Pendleton, Ore., implies that Obama doesn't take Iran seriously.
"Iran. Radical Islamic government. Known sponsors of terrorism," the narrator intones. "Developing nuclear capabilities to 'generate power' but threatening to eliminate Israel."
"Obama says Iran is a 'tiny' country, 'doesn't pose a serious threat,'" he continues. "Terrorism, destroying Israel, those aren't 'serious threats'? Obama -- dangerously unprepared to be president."

The ad clearly takes what Obama was saying out of context, since the Democrat was not addressing Iran's policy on Israel or nuclear weapons when he made the comments. Instead, he was defending his controversial proposal to personally meet with Iran's leaders, comparing the situation to how President John F. Kennedy met with then-Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev during the height of the Cold War.

"I mean think about it. Iran, Cuba, Venezuela -- these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don't pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us," Obama said at the time. "And yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying we're going to wipe you off the planet."...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/08/27/new_mccain_attack_ad_makes_an.html

Americans face a clear choice. One would manipulate Americans through fear into continued war, conflict, injustice and oppression. The other would lead them toward peace, stability, justice and freedom. This shouldn't be a close race.
 

Kreskin

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The Republicans were frothing at the mouth to have Hillary as P or VP candidate. I don't buy the spin of the Reps at the best of times. Certianly not now.
 

earth_as_one

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Unfortunately most people are easily manipulated.

McCain's attack ad which uses Obama's words out of context in order to provoke irrational fear is a big clue about the direction he will take the US.
 

no color

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I'm hoping McCain wins. Although the wife decided not to vote this time round. She voted for G.W. in 2004 (mail in ballot), however she thinks McCain is too liberal on some issues and prefers to sit out this election.
 

talloola

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I still have no idea - I am holding off for the boring news debates where three old news hacks grill the candidates.

They were asking for ten - but only have three scheduled. I guess ten would be too much of the same thing ...

The conventions are a fun watch and more interesting for an audience but they don't really get into the sticky stuff until it's a one-on-one. I want to see how they work in
close quarters with seconds to respond.

I remember one of the debates Bush had with Kerry, they showed several times, a bulge
in the back of his jacket,(Bush), and explained it was some kind of a electronic device, which
was obviously helping him, he was getting feed back from someone.
 

talloola

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Currently the US is run by people who started unprovoked war of aggression against Iraq, approved torture and violated Geneva conventions regarding the treatment of POWs. These people should be held to the same standard as the Nazis tried at Nuremberg trials.


People should elect leaders based on their stand on the issues. In the case of Obama, his stand on the Iraq war separates him from McCain.

peace, stability, justice and freedom. This shouldn't be a close race.

it's amazing that it probably will be a close race, and I can't understand why the american
republican citizens, just toss this fact aside, and accept the 'crimes' of this war, which was
started for 'no' good reason at all. they just don't seem to care about that, and they
still cling to that silly call by the republicans that McCain would be better on security
for the american people, do they want security, irrespective of how it hurts others?
So, are they actually going to vote for someone who would repeat what bush did, and
it could be in iran, or 'anywhere', that is very scary, that party is very scary.