Alcohol vs Marijuana - what do you think?

[Vereya]

Re: RE: Alcohol vs Marijuana

but extrem of nothing is good ,u should always stands in the middle to be safe but thats where i fail ,i just cant stop my self from smoking it more when i have it ,i just want to go for n more

Like I said, you can't possibly smoke it more that is good. Your body will know when to stop. When you have it - you smoke it, when you don't - you don't. That's it. When I have a good stock of it, I smoke it very often, too. But after a long period of smoking there always comes a time when I stay away from Marijuana, simply because I don't want it any more for some time. So for me this is not really a problem.

 

[XxX]

Re: RE: Alcohol vs Marijuana

but extrem of nothing is good ,u should always stands in the middle to be safe but thats where i fail ,i just cant stop my self from smoking it more when i have it ,i just want to go for n more

Like I said, you can't possibly smoke it more that is good. Your body will know when to stop. When you have it - you smoke it, when you don't - you don't. That's it. When I have a good stock of it, I smoke it very often, too. But after a long period of smoking there always comes a time when I stay away from Marijuana, simply because I don't want it any more for some time. So for me this is not really a problem.

good i will always keep this in my mind i guess i dont understand my own body signals but i,m a good learner :wink:

 

[Nuggler]

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The problem is not alcohol or marijuana, but it is a person him/herself. How much they take. How serious they are.

BINGO. Give the lady a .........cigar???.........drink???...........joint???

Some people can drink for years and never become a serious drunk. Some can smoke pot for years and never have a problem. Others can't. That's life.

Too bad the societal cost is so high when lives go off the rails due to booze and/or drugs.

:idea:

 

[SixWheels]

RE: Alcohol vs Marijuana

I've known many marijuana smokers and I've known many more alcohol drinkers.
I've never met an obviously 'marijuana dependant' person, but I have met and seen many people who are clearly 'alcohol dependant'.
I've been in the company of smokers who quietly giggle to themselves about anything and nothing but never in the company of a smoker who wants to start a fight, and I've been in the company of drinkers who have become loud, aggressive and obnoxious while drinking but are quiet and unassuming when sober.
I've seen smokers sitting in a corner who looked pale and shaky after smoking too much and I've seen drinkers stagger out in front of moving vehicles after drinking too much.
I'm not saying any one is better or worse than the other, just that from the experiences that I have encountered one of them should be illegal... the other should be smoked.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

What a great topic! I've always felt the same about pot ... alcohol causes so many social and personal issues, while pot doesn't. People who get drunk and beat up their spouse rarely smoke a joint and get aggressive.

Here's an interesting article on marijuana myths ... it is biased, but still informative.
http://www.drugtext.org/sub/marmyt1.html

I have never understood the bias against pot. It's got proven medicinal value, it relaxes people, it isn't addictive like valium or any of the accepted tranquilizers, and about the worst thing that happens to a pothead is overeating and maybe logging too much couch time. It's not like they're going out to knock off a 7-11 to feed the habit.

I'm most interested in hearing what folks have to say on this! Good one, Vereya.

I was a musician back in the 70’s, If me and my friends were drinkers at the time I don’t think that my health would be as good. We smoked pot not to become veggies, but rather to wake up creativity in the musical sense. I am 57 today and all my friends with big success stories good families all the toys, were smoking and still are because it is the ideal method of physical relaxation while the juices of creativity flow uncontrollably. All and all alcohol sucks rocks, and pot allows civility to be a part of the equation when it comes to a method of socialization with a almost 0 degree of danger.

 

[coldstream]

I had my last toke when i was 25. It had nothing to do with its illegality. I simply got fed up with the high. It made me paranoid, super self conscious.. it's an inward drug, the last thing i needed as a social outlet... i could do without the munchies. I just think its a lousy stone. You get some kicks when you first try it, by getting a zany perspective on everything, music sounds better, in fact your taste in music can get better, food is tastier, television is more interesting.. but that's all temporary. After a while it just makes you dull, incoherent to those around you, and feeling lonely and dumb.. or that's how it worked on me, anyway.

 

[s_lone]

I had my last toke when i was 25. It had nothing to do with its illegality. I simply got sick of the high. It made me paranoid, super self conscious.. it's an inward drug, the last thing i needed as a social outlet... i could do without the munchies. I just think its a lousy stone. You get some kicks when you first try it, by getting a zany perspective on everything, music seems to sound better, in fact your taste in music can get better, food tastes better, television is more interesting.. but that's all temporary. After a while it just makes you dull, incoherent to those around you, and feeling lonely and dumb.. or that's how it worked on me, anyway.

I can really relate to what you describe Coldstream and these are the same reasons why I've seriously reduced my consumption... I can smoke maybe once a week (if I do at all) but more than that quickly becomes debilitating for me.

Everyone seems to react differently though...

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I can really relate to what you describe Coldstream and these are the same reasons why I've seriously reduced my consumption... I can smoke maybe once a week (if I do at all) but more than that quickly becomes debilitating for me.

Everyone seems to react differently though...

Very true Lone every one reacts differently with only one exception, there is no violence with pot!!!!!

 

[Risus]

Very true Lone every one reacts differently with only one exception, there is no violence with pot!!!!!

I disagree, soc, there have been deaths as a result of drivers being under the influence of weed... I consider that a form of violence. Anyway can you prove that comment??

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I disagree, soc, there have been deaths as a result of drivers being under the influence of weed... I consider that a form of violence. Anyway can you prove that comment??

Hi Risus, no question on the fact that the wrong person with the wrong tool will do a terrible job or a mess of the job. We must keep in mind that an 80 year old man or 80 year old woman under 6 or 12 different daily medications are much likely to cause violence on the road than a person who has just smoked a half a joint. Or a truck driver on uppers to stay driving for 12 hours steady, or the drunk who keeps the alcohol bottle under the seat in a brown bag and drinks on the way home from work. In my last 45 years of socialization I have never met any one who caused an accident with pot. Of course I am not suggesting that the assertion that people under the influence of pot are all safe to use it, but I am sure that 90% is about the number of problem free pot users.

 

[Risus]

I am sure that 90% is about the number of problem free pot users.

Did you pull this figure out of a hat??? It looks like it is just a guess on your part...

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Did you pull this figure out of a hat??? It looks like it is just a guess on your part...

Come on now Risus, you pull up any news on the net, you will be on it for a while finding a statistic that explains that pot is a problem to the driving community.
Have you ever smoked pot?

 

[Risus]

Come on now Risus, you pull up any news on the net, you will be on it for a while finding a statistic that explains that pot is a problem to the driving community.
Have you ever smoked pot?

If you come up with a figure of 90% of pot users are safe, back it up with proof... Driving under the influence of pot is an entirely different thing.

Whether I have smoked pot or not has nothing to do with it and is none of your business.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

If you come up with a figure of 90% of pot users are safe, back it up with proof... Driving under the influence of pot is an entirely different thing.

Whether I have smoked pot or not has nothing to do with it and is none of your business.

Risus that wasn’t nice….. you must be cranky. I didn’t ask you how much money you are making, we are simply talking here about a subject that is known to all of us…... Explain the examples I POSTED, the old folks under the influence of prescribed drugs, the truckers, and the driving drunks, all three are a worst concern to the safety of the roads than people on three or four puffs of pot. :smile:

 

[Risus]

Risus that wasn’t nice….. you must be cranky. I didn’t ask you how much money you are making, we are simply talking here about a subject that is known to all of us…... Explain the examples I POSTED, the old folks under the influence of prescribed drugs, the truckers, and the driving drunks, all three are a worst concern to the safety of the roads than people on three or four puffs of pot. :smile:

LOL, who does only 3 or 4 puffs of pot??? And besides its breaking the law....

So you want to take seniors who are on prescribed drugs off the road?? Give me a break!

I do agree with you about about driving drunks and truckers driving on 'uppers'.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

LOL, who does only 3 or 4 puffs of pot??? And besides its breaking the law....

So you want to take seniors who are on prescribed drugs off the road?? Give me a break!

I do agree with you about about driving drunks and truckers driving on 'uppers'.

Risus my pal the 80 year old driver has bad reflex as a result of their hands in many cases suffering from arthritis, plus you pump 12 deferent pills in an 80 year old person, and I tell you their reflex is 0. They do 40klm on a 80 klm zone so, yes the pot smoker is a safer driver than my three examples the old driver, the trucker, the drunk. Plus I know many people who are just a 3-4 toke periphery users………

 

[Risus]

Risus my pal the 80 year old driver has bad reflex as a result of their hands in many cases suffering from arthritis, plus you pump 12 deferent pills in an 80 year old person, and I tell you their reflex is 0. They do 40klm on a 80 klm zone so, yes the pot smoker is a safer driver than my three examples the old driver, the trucker, the drunk. Plus I know many people who are just a 3-4 toke periphery users………

Well, first you should know that seniors are retested every couple of years.

40 in a 80 zone?? I haven't seen that in all my years of driving...

Frankly I don't believe you know 3-4 toke users...

You are just making it up as you go...

 

[quandary121]

I don't see this point about people spending all their cash on Marijuana ,when i traveled on the road, i used to plant it all over the place, when i returned later the same year, a beautiful tree of the stuff was waiting for me, each tree would contain about 4-8 oz enough for any ardent smoker to take or toke on,i have been a habitual smoker of the stuff since my teens ,never have i had cause to feel that i had a psychosis, Schizophrenia-type symptoms voices, hallucinations or any other type of reaction other then the very pleasant sensations and hilarity that ensues from smoking it,today's Marijuana is i admit a lot stronger then the stuff that used to frequent our local pubs and clubs ,and this i will say does indeed cause quite different symptoms to the norm ,EG: extremely dry mouth a feeling of turning gray bouts of paranoia ,and feeling as if an anvil has dropped on your head ,all these symptoms depend how much of the stuff you smoke,and are nothing compared to what happens when you take mushrooms...!!!!,this said the fact that it is mixed with tobacco in my mind is the only drawback ,i can understand why there should be some kind of warning on it, such as not to operate machinery, or drive, and such like, as the tendency to become clumsy, is one side effect that it does have ,most of the people that i know whom indulge in it are unlikely to become aggressive or outlandish as this would quite honestly take to much time to think about ,one drawback i have noticed is the short term memory loss symptoms which if i co....................what.? what was it i was saying oh sod it i forgot......:lol:

 

[Lester]

I'm one of those guys who have smoked pot for over thirty years, I have a job, house, car whatever, just an ordinary person. I have also quit smoking several times in that time frame and suffered no withdrawal symptoms what so ever(I quit alcohol permenantly because it can be addictive)The last thing you want to do when smoking pot is commit crime.. it's too much trouble.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Well, first you should know that seniors are retested every couple of years.

40 in a 80 zone?? I haven't seen that in all my years of driving...

Frankly I don't believe you know 3-4 toke users...

You are just making it up as you go...

My pal, there are users from all levels. Air plain Captains have in the past smoked pot before take off and made the flight quite pleasurable for the pilot and I am sure for the people too, when the controversy around drug testing at work was not known…. The old driver has the ongoing threatening possibility as a result of all the different daily oral medication, to suddenly experience dizziness which will cause violence on our streets (a fatal car accident)….. . That is a reality Risus not a statistic. Realistically we don’t have that dilemma with a fit person, and trust me that 50% of the people especially younger people that go to the Gym are casual pot users, as well smokers, and that is a fact as well Risus. We have a bridge in Surrey BC called the Patulla Bridge very notorious for almost 5-8 accidents every 2 months majority fatal, majority older driver crossed the medium and caused deaths. All the deaths on that bridge are confirmed either alcohol related or an older driver was not able to do the right thing and your level of violence Risus, became a cold reality.

;-)