You can't create a thread about a tragedy, then derail it to talk about how Gun Ownership may be linked to the tragedy (it isn't), and then throw a fit when someone points out how gun ownership is a strawman arguement and points out examples of why.
I never created the thread to focus on a tragedy. In the news section you're supposed to have the title in which is in the news article you are presenting. What you wish to talk about in the subject is subjective so long as it relates to the article. I used this example of a mass shooting, which has been occuring quite often as I see it in the news, I was wondering if anybody else notices the pattern as well (I guess not) and if there were any paticular solutions available for the problem at hand. If you wanted to talk about the tragedy as it is, knock yourself out, but I wished to focus on a paticular aspect of the subject.
And if you can't create a thread with references to start a question you are interested in to find some sort of solution or what not.... then why post threads at all?
Topic drift, the topic was on the tragedy, you made a logical and straight forward connection to gun ownership, and from that shifted the thread to debating gun ownership. Now people are bringing up the ownership of other dangerous items.
The ownership of cars is related to the topic of if guns would stop these kinds of tragedies. Thus the important point is if you banned guns would this guy have rammed a car through the front of the church?
Would banning guns do anything useful?
And to answer that question, yes, as there are numerous countries with much lower crime rates, gun related crimes if you want to focus more so, then the US.
What other developed country has 80 deaths on average each day related to firearms?
But I shall take a step or two back and perhaps simplify my question:
• Does anybody agree that there is a problem within the US in paticular when it comes to Gun Related Crimes?
• If yes, what do you propose would be a possible solution to the problem?
Your own solution doesn't even have to line up with my own, it doesn't even have to relate to the removal of firearms..... but so long as a solution of some kind that can be worked on and developed into something plausable, to me, it's valid.
The annoying part of the whole thing, is that besides people arguing the side of restricting or banning the availability of firearms, nobody else is presenting a solution, and that's what I'm really trying to get at.
It's either "Remove the Guns and Use Gun Control" or it's "It's our Constitutional Right to have them."
^ But the argument of "It's our right" doesn't present any solution, and only seems to express the mentality that there isn't any problem at all, nothing is done, and then people just wait to hear about the next case to hit the news.
If you are so protective of this right to own a firearm, then what other solution can you think of that might help the problem to the point where it would at least reduce the amount of times this sort of thing occurs?
There's got to be something.
I seek alternative ideas and concepts, not to dictate to people to follow what I think. And if I charge an idea as a solution, it's not in a manner to force my opinion to be taken by others, it's to give people a kick in the arse to think of some other idea besides the one I presented.
I heard continually people saying over and over through my life "It'll never work" "Nobody will like that" ~ and yet, they never offer any other solutions.
Maybe it's just a Star Wars mentality.... It's either Do or Do Not, there is no Try..... Well nobody can ever Do, if nobody ever Tries in the first place.
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As it currently stands, the current solution that seems to have a track record of some success, is Gun Control.... I'm all open to other ideas and concepts besides this that might actually work.... be that some type of social help for people who are proned to these sorts of crimes, or better training/education, stronger background checks, GPS devices inside more leathal weapons, whatever your mind can think of....
But just saying a solution will never work and then not presenting any alternative doesn't really help anybody does it?
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