Ffs, seriously come off it.... the laws for killing things generally cover the killing of other humans, not for the killing of food. Unless you plan on killing other humans and eating them as part of your religious practice, the laws still apply.
And I am not talking about hunting.... I'm talking about killing other humans.
And you're still going on the basis that I want all firearms banned, and removed completely, which I don't..... get it fk'n right will you? Your blakc and white mentality on this debate is seriously slowing it's progression, as I have to continually repeat crap which was already clarified.
Quote: So what is your problem with me having something that is meant for killing? Are you assuming that I am going to use it to kill people?
That's the basic argument.... not very complicated.
Quote: They aren't designed to kill people.
They are designed to kill in general, what you kill with them is subjective.
Quote: Add to that, with guns that are meant to kill people, no one minded when I was given a C7. And yes, training, I know, good for them. Im all for lisencing guns in the same ways as driving (no lisence, keep to your own property)
In the end this boils down to pre-emptive wrong doing. Do you have a right to tell me to stop doing something, anything (doesn't matter what), that isn't a harm to anyone based on the assumption that I may in the future may commit a crime and be aided by that action.
People get background checks when they're applying for work that relates to the caring of children or the elderly to make sure they have low chances of abusing their authority. Issuing a weapon to someone is a level of issuing authority..... all I would like to see is that there is some form of regulating who gets that authority. And I'm not talking about a process that screens people based on their beliefs, which government they approve, or otherwise.... I'm talking about general risks to their fellow citizen if given a weapon.
Quote: Is it right to ban Martial Arts? Push comes to shove and if you bulldoze the self defence claims with the same lack of semantics (which is fine btw) you do guns. Martial arts is just training for how to injure and possibley kill another human being with your bare hands.
And unless you plan on chopping everybody's hands and feet off, you can not regulate what someone knows how to do with their.... as they say,
"God Given" body. Apparently people claim firearms are a "God Given" right to have..... yet God didn't make them.... other humans did. Defending yourself with what you were born with, is the basic rights (If there is such a thing) that every human, every animal, every living creature on this planet has which can not be taken away.
You're trying to compare knowlege and ability to the possesion of an inanimate object that is designed to kill.
Quote: Unlike guns, Martial arts don't even have a use against animals. They are ONLY for use on human beings.
Hand to hand combat and other fighting arts can be used against anything you wish.... the sucess rate of that ability depends on the situation at hand and your target.
Quote: The same arguements you use about "waiting for a cop" still apply, the same arguements about how unlikely it is you'll be assaulted still apply.
Being someone who was jumped by 5 drunken teenaged punks a couple of years ago, I know what it means to "Wait for a Cop" However by your argument, I should have had a gun to shoot them all with before the police arrived, rather then doing what I did that got me out of the situation, got them arrested, charged, and in the end, they got busted up a lot worse then I did...... and I didn't even have my knife with me.... let alone a gun.
Oh, and everybody lived to see another day, life goes on..... guns are unecissary unless you're hunting food or in a war zone..... and I suppose based on the number of dead each day from gun related crimes in the US.... it is a war zone down there.
Quote: So then it comes down to why wouldn't you ban martial arts? Is it due to the danger they can cause others? (a rifle versus your fist). If so, thats fair..but then what is the line? Rather than just saying "Ban guns, because they are bad" say "Because they are dangerous to this standard, guns are banned as are anything else shown to be equally or more dangerous".
Martial Arts is knowlege of what you can do with your body to defend yourself against whatever may come your way..... a gun, a knife, a bomb, a tank, a missle, are all weapons which are extensions beyond the human mind and body.... they can be removed from the access of the body..... unless you wish to start cutting off limbs of people and becoming thought police to make sure people can learn new things that they can do with what they were born with, then there is no logic in banning martial arts, or any other hand to hand combat training.