Is there proof of life after death

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Were the Nephilim sons of God?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Fallen Angels? Giants of Genesis 6:4?[/FONT]
A common belief which we share is that the "sons of
God" who did marry the "daughters of men" were fallen angels.

Why did God send the judgment of the Flood in the days of Noah? The strange events recorded in Genesis 6 were understood by the ancient rabbinical sources, as well as the Septuagint translators, as referring to fallen angels procreating weird hybrid offspring with human women-known as the Nephilim. This was far more than simply a historical issue, the unique events leading to the Flood are a prerequisite to understanding the prophetic implications of our Lord's predictions regarding His Second Coming. This is believed to have happened both before the Flood and after the flood. In Israel at the time of David, and before this when the Hebrews were scouting the land - there were tribes of these Nephilim - Goliath the giant of Gath is one example. Early Church fathers also understood this to be the case. It appears that these fallen angels were active all over the world. These bizarre giants living on the earth are also echoed in the legends and myths of nearly every ancient culture. The ancient Greeks, the Egyptians, the Hindus, the South Sea Islanders, the American Indians, and most all the others have these legends. The Hebrew word Nephelim (plural of nephel) (Nephilim) literally means "rejects". The Hebrew plural for Nephites would be "Nephi'im".

Satan probably put this plan to interrupt Abraham's "seed into motion, as soon as it was made known that the Seed of the Woman (Christ) was to come through ABRAHAM.



Bible Probe Note: Our use of the Word "irruption" in this article below means: act of rushing; act of breaking in; intrusion, raid; sudden increase.

Genesis 6:4 (Original KJV): There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Bible Probe Note: Note the words; "and also after that". This probably tells of two "irruptions" by Satan's seed. One before Noah's time and another after the flood. They were called “The Watchers” in The Book of Enoch.



Their descendents, called Nephilim (translated "giants"), were monsters of iniquity; and being superhuman in size and in their wicked character, had to be destroyed. Was this the one and only object of the Flood?

Genesis 6:12 (Original KJV): And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.


Only Noah and his family had preserved their pedigree pure from Adam (Genesis 6:9). All the rest had become "corrupt" (shachath). The only remedy was to destroy it defacto (Latin for "in fact"), as it had become defacto destroyed.
This irruption of fallen angels before Noah's day was probably Satan's first attempt to prevent the coming of the "Seed of the woman" foretold in Genesis 3:15. If this could be accomplished, God's Word would have failed, and Satan's own doom would be averted.

Genesis 3:15 (Original KJV): And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. also see Isaiah 7:14
[FONT=Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica]Satan's plan was to occupy Canaan with "his own seed" in advance of Abraham's seed. [/FONT]​


As soon as it was made known that the Seed of the woman was to come through ABRAHAM, there must have been another irruption, as recorded in Genesis 6:4 (see above), "and also after that" (that is to say, after the days of Noah, more than 500 years after the first irruption). The aim of the enemy was to occupy Canaan in advance of Abraham, and so to contest its occupation by his seed. For, when Abraham entered Canaan, we read (Genesis 12:6) "the Canaanite was then (that is to say, already) in the land."


Also in Genesis we see two more attempts by Satan to interfere with Abraham's seed before the birth of Isaac, as told in both Genesis 12:10-20 and in Genesis 20:1-18.
In the late 1950’s, during road construction in the Euphrates Valley of south-east Turkey, many tombs containing the remains of giants were uncovered. At the sites the leg bones were measured to be 120 cms (47.24 inches). Joe Taylor, Director of Mt. Blanco Fossil Museum, was commissioned to sculpt the human femur. This Antediluviangiant stood some 14-16 ft tall (see below). Genesis 6:4 claims: "There were giants in the earth in those days;" Deuteronomy 3:11 states that the bed of Og, king of Bashan, was 9 cubits by 4 cubits (approximately 14 ft long by 6 ft wide).



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Loading the ark would have driven the first mate crazy if it required two of every spieces, the fish alone would have required enormous resources like tanks pumps wireing controls power. Thanks to science we know a new way that may in fact support the seeming impossible demand or suggestion of god what. I wonder where we keep the animal bank. Seeds are covered. I hope they've made provision for the bugs. It would be a lesser place without butterflys and black flies.
 

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Loading the ark would have driven the first mate crazy if it required two of every spieces, the fish alone would have required enormous resources like tanks pumps wireing controls power. Thanks to science we know a new way that may in fact support the seeming impossible demand or suggestion of god what. I wonder where we keep the animal bank. Seeds are covered. I hope they've made provision for the bugs. It would be a lesser place without butterflys and black flies.


animal bank

They freeze Animal DNA now and expect to use cloning techniques to do it all for them

I hope they've made provision for the bugs

The grow immune to anything we thow at them dont they...???:smile:
 

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Then who gave to man the scientific license? And who answered him when he was in need? And who gave to him a good salary when he requested Him? And who gave to him the wife that is suitable for him? And who gave to him the children when he desired that? And who averts from him the complications of the hypertension? And who wards off from him every harm? And who offered to him the happiness? And who educated him by giving to him all means of the knowledge and endowed him with the intelligence?
I presume you think the answer in every case is Allah, though I really have no idea what you mean by "the scientific license" and "averts from him the complications of hypertension." Nobody's ever been saved from the complications of hypertension by religious belief. But I would ask you this: how many people's needs go unanswered? How many people do not have a good salary? How many men do not have a suitable wife? How many people are not saved from harm? How many people are not happy? How many people are not educated? I've no doubt you believe that sincere belief in Allah will resolve all those issues for everybody, and I'm equally certain that that idea is utter nonsense. Your Allah is a figment of human imagination, your Glorious Quran is fiction and mythology, nobody is going to solve our problems for us but ourselves. We are responsible, no supernatural agency is going to save us from ourselves.


You've told me several times that I'm going to burn in Hell forever for those opinions. I don't believe that for a second, and I'm not afraid. And if by some extraordinary mischance you turn out to be right, I will be defiant and unrepentant to the end. "Allah," I will tell him, "you gave me reason and intelligence, and if that world is the best you can do, you're an incompetent idiot and not worthy of unconditional admiration. I, a mere human, could have done it better." What can he do to me at that point, condemn me for eternity plus a week? I scorn him.
 

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The bible can show you many facts about god ,science is not actually about proving things,right it can only confirm preconcived ideas, how many times has science been proved wrong,do you believe that there was indeed a flood that was talked about in genesis
There are no facts about gods other than people are gullible enough to believe in them.
Science is just science. It proves itself wrong at times. The neat thing about science is that it is not based on hearsay. It is based on evidence, of which religions have extremely little of, and hence, have to rely on hearsay. Perhaps the Bible does have a few facts in it but facts about gods are not among them.
 
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Are you sure about this are you absolutely sure,according to you science has the answer to all ,well science has proved that paranormal experiences exist,and have documented them ...?
I didn't read where she said science has the answer to all. It sure as heck has more rational explanations than any mythologies or fantasies of describing what is around us, though.
 
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Yes, there was the flood in which the people of Noah were drowned; the flood included one country of the earth: Iraq where Noah was dwelling in the city now called Ain Siphny, which means the water fountain from where the Ark of Noah set on. This city is situated near Mosul (Nineveh).
Noah took with him in the Ark: his sons and their wives, excepting Canaan his grandson who were drowned with the rest of the people. Nooh also took with him one pair (male and female) of the cattle, the poultry and the riding-animals.)
In the vicinity of this city was a large amount of tar, [in the city now called Quayyara,] which he used to paint the Ark, so that no water may intrude in the Ark.

In some excavations, they saw some layers of alluvium, then some town remnants, then another layer of alluvium.
So according to this little tale, tigers, elephants, owls, ants, Komodo dragons, grizzly bears, weasels, bees, your pet dog, etc. all came from cattle, poultry, and riding animals. roflmao I admit I am no geneticist but this fanciful tale is a bit too far-fetched for what I know about genetics. Hel's bells, it's even extremely unlikely that you can cross a chihuahua with a St. Bernard and you're saying the varietry of life came from poultry, cattle and riding animals? Asinine: especially since crocs, sharks, elephants ancestors, etc. date back a lot farther than Noah.
 
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Loading the ark would have driven the first mate crazy if it required two of every spieces, the fish alone would have required enormous resources like tanks pumps wireing controls power. Thanks to science we know a new way that may in fact support the seeming impossible demand or suggestion of god what. I wonder where we keep the animal bank. Seeds are covered. I hope they've made provision for the bugs. It would be a lesser place without butterflys and black flies.
Why would fish need to be loaded into the ark during a flood? They can swim you, know.
 

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Religion was once needed by people to deliver them from miserable drudgery that was life. Today in North America and Europe, people live better than Earls did. They live longer, eat better, have better cloths, warmer homes, have better entertainment e
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They sure live longer ;but at the same time,they still don,t know why .
 

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rofl Of course we do. A couple reasons are better medicine, fewer life threatening circumstances, and better health practises. On the other hand, not all people love longer. For instance, those that have chronic dietary deficiencies still don't live longer now than people with the same deficiencies did in the past.
 

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And if by some extraordinary mischance you turn out to be right, I will be defiant and unrepentant to the end. "Allah," I will tell him, "you gave me reason and intelligence, and if that world is the best you can do, you're an incompetent idiot and not worthy of unconditional admiration. I, a mere human, could have done it better." What can he do to me at that point, condemn me for eternity plus a week? I scorn him.
Love your atittude Dexter Sinister,you are a human with emotions,not just a calculator.
 
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rofl Of course we do.
Sorry ,my mistake ;I have not compleated the sentence...It should have bin....
"They sure live longer ;but at the same time,they still don,t know 'why they live'.
As you can see I was not questioning the length of the life but the reason for the life itself .But you have not noticed that LG , and that's your mistake .
 
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rofl Of course we do. A couple reasons are better medicine, fewer life threatening circumstances, and better health practises. On the other hand, not all people love longer. For instance, those that have chronic dietary deficiencies still don't live longer now than people with the same deficiencies did in the past.

How long do you love on average Les? I can barely last an hour now what with my arthritis.:smile:
 

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I presume you think the answer in every case is Allah ..... I don't believe that for a second, and I'm not afraid.


The best reply to this is in the Quran 16: 4
خَلَقَ الإِنسَانَ مِن نُّطْفَةٍ فَإِذَا هُوَ خَصِيمٌ مُّبِينٌ
The explanation:
(He created man from scanty [seminal] fluid; yet he becomes a manifest opponent.)
It means: he started to antagonize and wrangle with Our apostles.



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So according to this little tale, tigers, elephants, owls, ants, Komodo dragons, grizzly bears, weasels, bees, your pet dog, etc. all came from cattle, poultry, and riding animals. .....especially since crocs, sharks, elephants ancestors, etc. date back a lot farther than Noah.


The animals that Noah took with him in his Ark, were those useful to people, and he together with his sons and the believers with him, will need after that deluge would have exterminated all the animals and men in that certain country: Iraq.

So he took with him, according to God's instruction and revelation, one pair of sheep, goat, cow, camel, horse, donkey, hen, duck and so on.

It does not mean that he took a pair of all the animals [like the snake and the wild beasts] existing on earth, and that will be impossible.

Moreover, the Hebrew Bible [most of which is included in the Old Testament] available now is not dependable.

Specially so is the Book of Genesis which was not revealed to Moses; but the Children of Israel inherited it from Prophet Abraham and may be before him.

The present Hebrew Bible is actually the Torah of Ezra, that he wrote for them after their return from the captivity of Babylon; and it included much distortion, additions and subtractions and he omitted many things originally were written in the original Torah of God.
http://quranandhebrewbible.t35.com/#The_Torah_[or_Hebrew_Bible]_of_Ezra_



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The deluge of Noah


When God sends an apostle; the purpose is to convey to them the message that God is One without associate or equal.

The good-doers and the kind-hearted will follow him, according to God's guidance;
The wrong-doers will not believe: God will not guide them.

Then the apostle will be victorious in one of two ways:
>> Either his people will believe in God alone and follow their apostle and they will prosper,
>> Or they will remain sticking to their traditions, their idolatry and association with God and will disobey their apostle – and in such case they will be exterminated by many ways:
  • A deluge will drown them ---- like what happened to the people of Noah.
  • An earthquake will overtake them ---- like what happened to the people of Lot and many other peoples.
  • The storms and hurricanes will destroy them ---- like what happened to the people of Aad tribe near Yemen.
  • Or their enemy will attack them and annihilate them ---- like what happened to Jews in Palestine when they denied Jesus and the three disciples or apostles after him (see the Book of the Acts of the Apostles).
Therefore, the deluge of Noah was a punishment for his people, who disbelieved and stuck to their association and idolatry; because they were wrongdoers.

The deluge included one country as a whole where the people of Noah were dwelling; it had nothing to do with all the Globe of the Earth.


 

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The deluge of Noah


When God sends an apostle; the purpose is to convey to them the message that God is One without associate or equal.

The good-doers and the kind-hearted will follow him, according to God's guidance;
The wrong-doers will not believe: God will not guide them.

Then the apostle will be victorious in one of two ways:
>> Either his people will believe in God alone and follow their apostle and they will prosper,
>> Or they will remain sticking to their traditions, their idolatry and association with God and will disobey their apostle – and in such case they will be exterminated by many ways:
  • A deluge will drown them ---- like what happened to the people of Noah.
  • An earthquake will overtake them ---- like what happened to the people of Lot and many other peoples.
  • The storms and hurricanes will destroy them ---- like what happened to the people of Aad tribe near Yemen.
  • Or their enemy will attack them and annihilate them ---- like what happened to Jews in Palestine when they denied Jesus and the three disciples or apostles after him (see the Book of the Acts of the Apostles).
Therefore, the deluge of Noah was a punishment for his people, who disbelieved and stuck to their association and idolatry; because they were wrongdoers.

The deluge included one country as a whole where the people of Noah were dwelling; it had nothing to do with all the Globe of the Earth.



This is all fine and good if you believe in biblical writings. It doesn't hold water if you do not believe. So back to Absolute Indoctrination!

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The bible can show you many facts about god ,science is not actually about proving things,right it can only confirm preconcived ideas, how many times has science been proved wrong,do you believe that there was indeed a flood that was talked about in genesis

The ideas of man which either are, or are not proven to be facts, are the reason we
have come so far, never give up thinking, never stop trying, keep on inventing, sure,
not all ideas become facts, but many do, and when they do, it is a conclusion that is
real, and not a belief, but a fact.
I don't pay any attention to religion, or the bible, I am not interested in such things,
I am not a person who gets caught up in being obedient to gods, I don't have guilt
over my sins, I don't think about afterlife, I think about life on earth. I have no
connection whatsoever to fantasy or all the different religions, and what they preach,
I find it no different than all of the different companies we see, who try their
damdest to suck us in to 'their' product. I was born with the capabilities to think for
myself, make my own decisions in life, I don't need some invisible entity trying to
control my brain, it will not be swayed, I am a child of the earth, I can manage it
just fine right here, I appreciate my home, I am not looking to greener pastures.

And, I agree with the above, none of those long boring biblical writings mean anything at
all to me, I never read them, maybe one or two lines, and it's the 'same ol same ol', can't
be bothered, just like all the flyers that come in the mail, 'in the garbage'.
(with the exception of the canadian tire flyer)
 
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