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Socrates the Greek

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If you believe that, considering what he left Martin, I have swamp land in Florida to sell you...


I am really up on real estate, Floridian land don’t do anything for me or US land for that matter.
The bottom line on the topic of Mulroney vs Chrétien as I said Chrétien was exonerated at the end, were have you been? Chrétien has a perfect record of his T4 slips, Brown Bag Mulroney has a red flag at the revenue Canada records, come on my good pal we agree to disagree here, but reality dictates that the whole on the wall it may be now patched, but at one time during in power, Mulroney’s hand went through doing silent deals and very late Inco tax filing.In fact if the German arms dealer had not opened his yap, Mulroney may have never paid the tax on the $300,000 or $225,000 as stated by Brown Bags M. So who is the crook here Mulroney or Chrétien?. :roll:
 

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I am really up on real estate, Floridian land don’t do anything for me or US land for that matter.
The bottom line on the topic of Mulroney vs Chrétien as I said Chrétien was exonerated at the end, were have you been? Chrétien has a perfect record of his T4 slips, Brown Bag Mulroney has a red flag at the revenue Canada records, come on my good pal we agree to disagree here, but reality dictates that the whole on the wall it may be now patched, but at one time during in power, Mulroney’s hand went through doing silent deals and very late Inco tax filing.In fact if the German arms dealer had not opened his yap, Mulroney may have never paid the tax on the $300,000 or $225,000 as stated by Brown Bags M. So who is the crook here Mulroney or Chrétien?. :roll:
I guess you are too thick to get the reference to the swamp land joke.

Anyway I have never defended Mulroney and what he did. However the party has rised above it all while the Liberals are still wallowing in the muck Chretien left behind.
 

Socrates the Greek

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That day is far off, and I don't know where you get this f indians bullshyte from are you implying that all the natives are glue sniffing disgrace? there happen to be quite a few well off natives in this community, and as with ANY community there will be substance abusers no matter what the race, Have you been down to Hastings Street lately? Anyway this is just hypothetical b.s. Dion will never get in -

1.he's too stupid, has no idea what he's talking about
2. Any tax grab will be met with any number of unpleasant responses from the Provinces especially Alberta.
3. People won't allow the feds to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs especially when the consequences are spelled out- increased taxes, no more oil money flowing into federal coffers, a deficit once again, decreased social spending. A simple fact is whether anybody likes it or not Alberta is willingly paying a big share of the bills, this allows the country to prosper while the U.S. tanks. Without the Dirty Oil money the east would be tied to the U.S. economy and would be headed in the same direction as they are.

I'm a Canadian, then an Albertan, we don't mind doling out the cash, but we won't allow anyone to steal it in the form of an altruistic environmental measure.


No I am not implying, you are not listening, you are suggesting that I am denigrating natives when in fact I am not?. As for your assertion that deficit once again all you have to do is look at the Conservative ruining history in Canada, the Harper losers have taken a 12 B SURPLUS LEFT BY THE LIBERALS AND TURNED IT INTO A DEFICIT IN HOPE TO ENTICE THE CANADIAN VOTER TO NO AVAIL.
If you are a true Canadian as you claim spare me from your bull “Alberta will use the North West passage and we don’t need BC". It makes you look like you missed happy hour my friend. By the way I am a Canadian as well it doesn’t matter if my name is Greek.
 

Socrates the Greek

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I guess you are too thick to get the reference to the swamp land joke.

Anyway I have never defended Mulroney and what he did. However the party has rised above it all while the Liberals are still wallowing in the muck Chretien left behind.


Risus History is what it is, you or me can only change the past by a future stroke on the ballet card. I am sure you will do the right thing and trust me I will do the same.
As for the swamp land joke I got it, and have answered it back. You choose to play blind on it.
 
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lone wolf

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"...look in your back yard you may find forgotten natives on glue passed out at the curb...."

Paint it up and say it in whatever language you want, this doesn't sound like you're looking for good qualities to sell the speech....
 

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Risus, Chrétien was exonerated at the end, were have you been?
Not so fast on vindication declaration

By ALAN SHANOFF

Former prime minister Jean Chretien is said to have been vindicated by a Federal Court decision that found more than a perception of bias on the part of Judge John Gomery.
Portions of the Gomery Report are to be voided. That's sort of like a judge telling the jury to disregard the damning answer just uttered by a witness.
I suppose the sponsorship scandal never occurred and the auditor-general's report and Gomery Report will now be burned.
Not so fast. Let's examine this a bit more carefully.
The Gomery Report has not been declared invalid. The auditor-general's report still stands. It is only the findings in the Gomery Report specifically relating to Chretien that are declared invalid.
So what is it the Gomery Report said about Chretien? Did it convict him of some crime or render him civilly liable for anything? No. All it did was make the common sense statement that "Since Mr. Chretien chose to run the Program from his own office, and to have his own exempt staff take charge of its direction, he is accountable for the defective manner in which the Sponsorship Program and initiatives were implemented."
That's really no different from saying the buck has to stop at the top. That's the point of ministerial responsibility. Voiding the portions of the report that mention Chretien do not lessen his accountability.
Prejudge
So why was it necessary for Chretien to bring a court application seeking a declaration that Judge Gomery, sitting as a commissioner, acted under a reasonable apprehension of bias -- in other words that he had or appeared to have prejudged issues and appeared not to be impartial toward Chretien?
Perhaps Chretien brought the application to get back at Gomery who called Chretien "small-town cheap." If so, he has won that battle.
If, however, he brought the application to shore up his reputation, he has failed miserably.
When I think of the former prime minister I think of two things. First, I vividly picture Chretien grabbing and throttling a protester at a Flag Day ceremony in 1996. I can still see the menacing grimace on Chretien's face. He looked like a mob enforcer. Nothing will erase that picture from my mind.
Second, I think of the Shawinigate scandal.
Before Chretien became leader of the Liberal Party he owned an interest in a hotel and an adjacent golf course in Shawinigan, Que. After becoming Liberal leader, but before becoming prime minister, he sold his interest in the hotel.
In 1993, after becoming prime minister he sold his interest in the golf course. But the purchaser defaulted and didn't pay so Chretien sold his golf course interest again to another purchaser in 1999.
In the meantime, in 1996, the hotel owner, Yvon Duhaime, a man with a criminal record, applied to the Business Development Bank of Canada, a Federal Crown Corporation, for a $2-million loan to expand the hotel.
Loan
Chretien, prime minister at the time, phoned and met BDC president Francois Beaudoin to discuss the loan. The BDC turned down the loan as being too risky. In 1997 the BDC approved a smaller $615,000 loan after Chretien again spoke with Beaudoin.
The problem for Chretien is any attempts to convince the BDC to lend money to assist the hotel could be seen as benefiting Chretien in respect of the adjacent golf course.
Ah, but hadn't Chretien sold the golf course. Well, he did but he hadn't been paid and had a right to re-sell his interest in the golf course which he did in 1999, so perhaps there was an indirect benefit. Chretien says he did nothing wrong in lobbying the BDC and that he was only doing his job as a Member of Parliament for his Shawinigan riding.
As he said, "it's the usual operation. You call who you know." The problem for me and others is he had repeatedly denied having any involvement with the loan which he claimed was routine until confronted with evidence to the contrary by National Post writer Andrew McIntosh.
In plain language Chretien lied -- more than once. The loan was anything but routine and Chretien had involvement up to his eyeballs.
 

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Not so fast on vindication declaration

By ALAN SHANOFF

Former prime minister Jean Chretien is said to have been vindicated by a Federal Court decision that found more than a perception of bias on the part of Judge John Gomery.
Portions of the Gomery Report are to be voided. That's sort of like a judge telling the jury to disregard the damning answer just uttered by a witness.
I suppose the sponsorship scandal never occurred and the auditor-general's report and Gomery Report will now be burned.
Not so fast. Let's examine this a bit more carefully.
The Gomery Report has not been declared invalid. The auditor-general's report still stands. It is only the findings in the Gomery Report specifically relating to Chretien that are declared invalid.
So what is it the Gomery Report said about Chretien? Did it convict him of some crime or render him civilly liable for anything? No. All it did was make the common sense statement that "Since Mr. Chretien chose to run the Program from his own office, and to have his own exempt staff take charge of its direction, he is accountable for the defective manner in which the Sponsorship Program and initiatives were implemented."
That's really no different from saying the buck has to stop at the top. That's the point of ministerial responsibility. Voiding the portions of the report that mention Chretien do not lessen his accountability.
Prejudge
So why was it necessary for Chretien to bring a court application seeking a declaration that Judge Gomery, sitting as a commissioner, acted under a reasonable apprehension of bias -- in other words that he had or appeared to have prejudged issues and appeared not to be impartial toward Chretien?
Perhaps Chretien brought the application to get back at Gomery who called Chretien "small-town cheap." If so, he has won that battle.
If, however, he brought the application to shore up his reputation, he has failed miserably.
When I think of the former prime minister I think of two things. First, I vividly picture Chretien grabbing and throttling a protester at a Flag Day ceremony in 1996. I can still see the menacing grimace on Chretien's face. He looked like a mob enforcer. Nothing will erase that picture from my mind.
Second, I think of the Shawinigate scandal.
Before Chretien became leader of the Liberal Party he owned an interest in a hotel and an adjacent golf course in Shawinigan, Que. After becoming Liberal leader, but before becoming prime minister, he sold his interest in the hotel.
In 1993, after becoming prime minister he sold his interest in the golf course. But the purchaser defaulted and didn't pay so Chretien sold his golf course interest again to another purchaser in 1999.
In the meantime, in 1996, the hotel owner, Yvon Duhaime, a man with a criminal record, applied to the Business Development Bank of Canada, a Federal Crown Corporation, for a $2-million loan to expand the hotel.
Loan
Chretien, prime minister at the time, phoned and met BDC president Francois Beaudoin to discuss the loan. The BDC turned down the loan as being too risky. In 1997 the BDC approved a smaller $615,000 loan after Chretien again spoke with Beaudoin.
The problem for Chretien is any attempts to convince the BDC to lend money to assist the hotel could be seen as benefiting Chretien in respect of the adjacent golf course.
Ah, but hadn't Chretien sold the golf course. Well, he did but he hadn't been paid and had a right to re-sell his interest in the golf course which he did in 1999, so perhaps there was an indirect benefit. Chretien says he did nothing wrong in lobbying the BDC and that he was only doing his job as a Member of Parliament for his Shawinigan riding.
As he said, "it's the usual operation. You call who you know." The problem for me and others is he had repeatedly denied having any involvement with the loan which he claimed was routine until confronted with evidence to the contrary by National Post writer Andrew McIntosh.
In plain language Chretien lied -- more than once. The loan was anything but routine and Chretien had involvement up to his eyeballs.




Chretien never took money under the table in US hotel rooms and was attempting to evade Canadian tax law. If the German had said nothing Mulroney would have won the day cheating the feds from $225.000 not paying tax on it. The rest you can sit an defend a crook and all that dose is absolutely nothing.
 

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Chretien never took money under the table in US hotel rooms and was attempting to evade Canadian tax law. If the German had said nothing Mulroney would have won the day cheating the feds from $225.000 not paying tax on it. The rest you can sit an defend a crook and all that dose is absolutely nothing.
You just won't accept the truth will you?
 

Socrates the Greek

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You just won't accept the truth will you?[/quot



The truth is that at the end of the day Chretien has desepered in the sun set WITH NO TAX PROBLEMS and Mulroney is still talking to revenew Canada. Is that mean anything to you? Of course not because the brain is conditioned to belive that Conservativisem is the politics of tommorrow, WRONG, THE LIBS ARE COMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

lone wolf

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Man you are cranky!

No ... actually I'm in a pretty good humour having a relatively painfree day. Thanks for askin'. "Sucker a Greek" is just counter to Loan wolf. I see the Spellcheck's workin' fine :lol:

Paul Martin and CSL is a Liberal putting on the teflon to side-step Canadian law. See - one's as slick as the other eh? ;-)
 
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wallyj

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Within 6 months of Chretien leaving office he was GIVEN a 2 mil. mansion from powercorp,in his wife's name. The media almost totally ignored this,but Schrieber/Mulroney is in the news forever. Hmmm,I wonder why? During the Gomery inquiry,J. Breault testified that he gave envelopes of cash to 12 Montreal area LIBERAL ridings. This too was given a pass by the cbc.Hmmm,I wonder why,anyone want to guess if Dion got some of our stolen taxes? The ad groups said that they put LIBERAL employees on their payrolls while they worked the election campaigns. This was never pursued either.WHY ?