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For the love of gawd!!!

It's a CCTV camera, kind of like older webcams, it's capture rate is in blocks of bytes, not real time capture.

The explosion does not take place simultaneously. It is obvious to even a child that the fuselage is in the frame of one bit frame of capture, then the explosion happens in the next bit frame of capture.

Fukk this is simple.

Not to mention, what are the credentials of the asshat that made that vid?

I as an ex member of the Canadian Armed Forces can assure you, that a munitions explosion of that type, is far different then what that moron is trying to pass off as one.


Note the difference between munitions grade high explosives and fuel explosions differ. Fuel explosions cause a fire ball. Munitions explosions cause a percussion. Causing far more damage then was sustained by the Pentagon.

Jesus H Christ. Some people are fukking morons.

Where?

at 11 seconds into the video

9/11 Video Clips Dan Rather Would Rather Not Show You
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=_0eC3uns3pA


A few excerpts of live television coverage of the events on September 11, 2001. It was clearly a hoax, as many people around the world now believe. These clips are from a 2-hour dvd available at the website http://www.MaeBrussell.com.

There are dozens of indications 9/11/01 wasn't what President Bush wants you to believe. Here are just a few:

*Four planes can't crash and leave no wreckage.

*All 3 buildings obviously collapsed from demolition charges, not planes.

*The fake CGI video clips of flight 175 flying through the South Tower show 90 or so percent of the fuel flying out the building, yet the many news cameras in the Trade Center that morning show no evidence or comment of fuel on the streets and people below.

*The explosions of the planes smashing through the Twin Towers couldn't be more Hollywood-like. In Star Wars maybe, but the real world just isn't like that.

*Everyone now knows that no plane crashed into the Pentagon, yet CNN interviewed a USA Today employee claiming he saw a plane crash and pieces were on the overpass. This type of plant/actor is similar to Col. L. Fletcher Prouty's description in his 1992 book JFK (chapter 3). You can read it in the "Articles, excerpts, & notes" section at http://www.maebrussell.com.

*A small army of these organized terrorists were in the World Trade Center that day. One of them (carrying a large bag) can be seen in the first video clip here. He misses his cue when a real person butts in. The actor turns around and goes back, then returns for his lengthy interview (interview not included here). He says he saw fire in the elevator shafts.

*Still pictures of the damage to the North Tower shown in TV documentaries and on the internet are fake, such as this one: www.whatreallyhappened.com/woman_wtc.jpg
and contradict the video shots aired by CNN that morning (last video clip posted here, or here's another one: /watch?v=1G6TQfIHJPo). Among other things, the beams at the upper right of the North Tower are jutting outward, whereas in the fake pics they have been straightened out.

For many years the late political researcher Mae Brussell exposed just how and why the traditional domestic U.S. eastern establishment powers, such as the Rockefellers and Kennedys, are being wiped out by the more sadistic, foreign interests infiltrating the United States (essentially the same folks we were fighting during WWII). And on Sept. 11, 2001 the Rockefeller-built World Trade Center was blown up littered with jokes and comedy acts for anybody who bothers to look.

Watch out whenever you hear somebody say the following:

*Lyndon Johnson and J. Edgar Hoover killed JFK.

*IBM's connections to the holocaust.

*The Rockefellers created AIDS.

*We need to do away with the United Nations.

*There was a 17 ft. circular hole in the Pentagon wall on 9/11/01.

Here is a typical example of bogus information to keep the public hopping:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=o11YmQ7-Ld8

To help understand to what extent these foreign terrorists have infiltrated the U.S. government and news media please check out the following links:

www.maebrussell.com/The War/
The%20War%20-%20The%20Balkans.html

www.maebrussell.com/Articles and
Notes/Yugoslav%20trial.html

www.fuseboxfilms.com/
Ron Hatchett Interview.mp3

www.fuseboxfilms.com/Milosevic Interview.mp3

Good luck.

P.S.- Also search "Mae Brussell" at http://video.google.com
 
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at 11 seconds into the video
I see a mound of broken soil in the lower right hand corner at the top of the berm, makes sense since that's where the plane skipped off it.

Thanx for proving me right.

Pentagon Plane crash september 11th NEW ANGLE
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8Vnu_yiUzls
LMAO!!! That's not even real. The explosion is completely different and the quality is a complete give away...LMAO!!!
And it shows what? Or do you just parrot ad nauseum without understanding context?
Better quality "Hotel" Pentagon Video w/ 'Official Flt Path'
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=n4O4R0LWCQ4
This video was just released today. This is a better quality video showing "Offical Flight Path" and what we 'should see'. Shot from the hotel. As usual, you cannot see an airplane. For full in depth factual analysis on American 77, its Flight Data Recorder (black box) as provided by the NTSB, please visit http://pilotsfor911truth.org (more)
Ya the only thing in the way is a freeway...:roll:

Who says you should be able to see the plane? You? The same guy in the other video that is an explosives expert?

Puuulllease!!!

Nicely done btw...way to ignore the difference in explosive conditions that I sighted.
 

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SERIOUSLY ...WHERES THE PLANE !?!?!???!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OH21gKbEllM

if a 757 hit the pentagon how come there were chairs computer monitors undamaged by the fire from the fuel in the explosion like the towers ??? were you claim the fuel weakened the structure.
Lone Wolf, a retired military aviator, has already explained this to you.

High kerosene fuels, such a aviation fuel, burn hot and fast. Oft leaving minimal damage.

Thus proving again, that a missile did not hit the Pentagon. Fore had a missile hit the Pentagon, the explosion would not have been a fire ball. Stop watching these vids, using the limited intellect that Hollywood has given you. High explosive munitions, do not create big flashy fire balls. They create high impact percussion explosions that create far more damage.

Then you have to stop listening to VonKliest. He's a moron and a proven liar.
 

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Lone Wolf, a retired military aviator, has already explained this to you.

High kerosene fuels, such a aviation fuel, burn hot and fast. Oft leaving minimal damage.

Thus proving again, that a missile did not hit the Pentagon. Fore had a missile hit the Pentagon, the explosion would not have been a fire ball. Stop watching these vids, using the limited intellect that Hollywood has given you. High explosive munitions, do not create big flashy fire balls. They create high impact percussion explosions that create far more damage.

Then you have to stop listening to VonKliest. He's a moron and a proven liar.


What Really Hit The Pentagon on 911 Debunking The Supposedly Debunked

Overwhelming evidence shows that American Airlines Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon. Pilots For 9/11 Truth pressured the NTSB to release the Black Box data, which was analyzed and showed the altitude of the plane was 479 feet.

Defense Contractors Say a Douglas A3 Skywarrior refitted with Global Hawk drone type UAV remote control systems, new engines, radar, missle systems. The digitally enhanced Pentagon frames and enhanced / enlarged photo showing a fighter jet firing a missile before the first explosion further support this. This would mean that the small amount of debris, remains and wreckage were fake and somehow planted in what could have been no other than a conspiracy. This could have easily been disproven if the Government simply released the DOT footage that would have clearly showed the plane. There is no national security reasons that would limit the Government from releasing that footage unless there was no 757 or they are working on editing the footage for later release to try and disprove the overwhelming evidence.


Response To 9/11 Debunked: 136 Eyewitnesses to Pentagon Attack. 9/11 Debunked: Flight 77's Damage to Pentagon Rings. 9/11 Debunked: Pentagon damage NOT inconsistent with 757. 9/11 Case Study: Flight 77 Visible in Doubletree Video. 9/11 Debunked: Norman Mineta - No Stand Down Order. 9/11 Case Study: What really struck the Pentagon.

Stop watching these vids, using the limited intellect that Hollywood has given you
you use them when it suits you ,Wasn't a 757! 126ft wide yet the whole was only 68ft wide? No damge outside of the impact zone? Windows were still intact if you look at the area hit you will notice a computer, desk and a stool with a book on top of it not even touched by flame or suit?
 

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The FBI confiscated video from the gas station just under the flightpath of the aircraft attack attack.

Men wearing ties moved around crash debris.

Donald Rumsfeld did nothing to stop the attack, but was on the scene after the attack.

Dick Cheney attempted to confuse Meet the Press viewers into thinking that "intercept" means "shoot down".

The 5 images leaked by the Pentagon had a profound effect on speculation about the Pentagon attack.
Some events cited as evidence of a cover-up have obvious innocent explanations. For example, the laying of gravel to a site in preparation for heavy construction is quite normal.
Some people assumed that these men were carrying away a concealed object from the crash. However, this analysis by Russell Pickering shows that the blue object is, in all likelihood, a tent.
 

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The Pentagon Video Frames

In early 2002, five frames from a Pentagon parking lot security camera overlooking the impacted west wall were released. The first frame shows what appears to be a small aircraft obscured by a post in the foreground, and a vapor trail behind it. The second frame shows the vapor trail and a bright white explosion.

The video frames fueled theories that the Pentagon was hit by a small attack drone rather than a large jetliner. Curiously, few asked what end the people who released the images were seeking to advance, and whether the images were edited. The perpetrators of this fraud appear to have exploited several subconscious mechanisms to gain uncritical acceptance of the images' authenticity.
  • The video frames can easily be seen as evidence that a 757 did not hit the Pentagon, since the apparent plane is too small, there is a vapor trail suggesting a missile, and the explosion sees to white to be a jet-fuel fireball. People embracing the no-Boeing theory for other reasons, such as the lack of obvious debris in post-crash photographs, are inclined to uncritically embrace the video frames as corroborating evidence.
  • The hiding of the apparent attack plane in the video makes it seem genuine. People who suspect the motives of the video's source will nonetheless easily overlook this ploy.
Even if the video frames looked real they would be of almost no value as evidence, given their source. But they show signs of forgery.

e x c e r p t title: Evidence the Images Were Edited authors: 911research.wtc7.net There are many peculiar features of the video images. Some have possible explanations, such as the red glow in front of the helicopter control tower being the result of ionized air from the explosion. We note three features that appear to have no explanation other than that the images were fabricated. In the following we refer to the individual frames using the captions in the cropped set: plane, impact, #2 impact, #3 impact, and #4 impact.
  • impact has an elevated brightness throughout the image, not just in areas that would be illuminated by the explosion.
  • impact has peculiar patches of color on the pavement.
  • #2 explosion shows a roughly conical explosion whose vertical axis lies deep within the building.
  • #3-#5 explosion show sunlight-illuminated lawn that should be darkened by shadows from the explosion.
[SIZE=-1]site: 911research.wtc7.net page: 911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/videoframes.html [/SIZE]
 

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you use them when it suits you
I was referring to yours and the multitude of the folk like you that think explosions happen like in Hollywood.

They don't.

I've seen Helo's, planes, cars, propane tanks, Iltis's, trucks, tanks, bridges and a multitude of other objects blown up with munitions grade explosives. They do not look anything like they do in Hollywood effects.

Hence my posting of what a missile actually does when it explodes. Of which you conveniently ignored, as it completely blows your missile hit the Pentagon theory out of the water.

As does the stuttered capture rate of a CCTV camera. All conveniently ignored.
 

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It was an inside job to get the outside job going. Standard false flag operation, easy to pull off , easy to get away with, never ending supply of rubes who believe it was Arabs in commercial airliners.
 

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Pentagon Cadavers Meet
The "Bone Guys"


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by Carol A. Valentine
President, Public Action, Inc.
http://www.Public-Action.com
Copyright, June, 2002
May be reproduced for non-commercial purposes

"When remains of the Waco dead or 9/11 Pentagon victims or Desert Storm casualties -- or most recently Chandra Levy -- need to be studied, the bone guys at the Smithsonian are called in . . . "
-- "Skeleton Keys," Washington Post May 31, 2002, pg. C1.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36421-2002May30.html
cached at:
http://www.public-action.com/911/rescue/obq-wp-boneguys-05-31-2002





June 20, 2002 -- Read the feature article cited above. It tells the story of those amazing forensic anthropologists at the Smithsonian Institution's Museum of Natural History, whom the Post dubs as "bone guys." The article mentions three, but I want to focus on just two: Drs. Douglas Owsley and Douglas Ubelaker.

Ubelaker's and Owsley's specialty seems to be making politically dictated statements about high profile deaths; that involves covering up murders committed by the US government, of course. Nasty work, but someone's got to do it.

Now they've been called in to work on the Pentagon cadavers, but Owsley and Ubelaker were the two "bone guys" who helped the FBI cover up the murder/mutilation deaths of the Branch Davidians. So when the cover-up gang is called in for the Pentagon job, that raises my eyebrows. Why? Let me tell you a little about what these two "bone guys" did at Waco.

Many of the Davidian moms and kids were killed prior to the FBI fake rescue on April 19, 1993. They were (1) killed on February 28 raid, or (2) died later from wounds suffered that day, or (3) were slaughtered shortly before the "rescue" of April 19.

A local incompetent, Nizam Peerwani, medical examiner of Tarrant County, was ostensibly put in charge of the autopsy work. Owsley and Ubelaker were sent down to Waco to lend credibility to the local effort.

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_hf.html

As forensic anthropologists, Ubelaker and Owsley should have personally recovered the Davidian remains from the Mt. Carmel Center themselves, as they lay in situ (at the site). Who says they should have done it that way? Dr. Ubelaker says, that's who. Ubelaker is a renowned expert who has written a popular book about forensic science, "Bones, A Forensic Detective's Casebook" (Edward Burlingame Books, 1992). Read it, and you will learn that, at Waco, Owsley and Ubelaker freely violated the professional standards described in Ubelaker's book.

So instead of Ubelaker and Owsley studying the remains in situ, the state cops just shoveled the discombobulated skulls, torsos, fetuses, detached kids' feet in sneakers, etc., into bags and hauled the whole mess into the mortuary, where Owsley and Ubelaker sat waiting. Owsley and Ubelaker sorted the bones as they tumbled out of the bags, and tried to figure things out.

;-)

Murderers often try to destroy evidence of their crime, of course. Destruction of the body can obscure the circumstances surrounding the victim's death, and even the victim's identity. The bodies found at the Mt. Carmel Center after the fire were variously hacked up, decapitated, and/or selectively incinerated. The condition of the bodies should have sent Ubelaker and Owsley down the morgue hallways screaming "MURDER! MURDER!" But shhhh, no, they never uttered a word.

Ubelaker and Owsley preserved deniability by keeping well away from the crime scene.
"Geez-all-we-wuz-asked-to-do-was-sort-the-bones-out-in-the-morgue," type-thing.

Fraudulent autopsy reports were written. Owsley and Ubelaker put their names on them, stating they had done the forensic anthropology examinations. Voila! Or maybe not . . .

One of the reasons dreamed up to explain the deaths of the moms and kids was this: They died as a result of crushing injuries suffered when a concrete room collapsed. The problem? Widely published photos in newsmagazines and newspapers, taken from the ground and the air, show that the concrete room did not collapse.

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_l.html


And both Owsley and Ubelaker had their names right there, right on the fraudulent reports citing "structural collapse" as the cause of death. For discussion of some Ubelaker-Owsley autopsy reports, see:

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_bg.html

For an summary of how the death scene was altered:

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_analys.html

The forensic evidence described in the autopsy reports and other data suggests that some of the remains at the Mt. Carmel Center of were NOT those of Branch Davidians, and that the bodies/body parts were trucked in from other bone yards (government mortuaries) and placed at the site. This is indicated by the fact that some of the ages and sexes of the bodies did not match the ages and sexes of those on the casualty list.

Other anomalies: There were not enough bodies/body parts to account for the 80-odd Davidian victims. In fact, some of the identities on the Branch Davidian casualty list were not assigned any body parts at all. Later, the bodies of those alleged victims were said to have "vaporized." There were also body parts that were never identified -- no one knows who those people may have been.

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_id2.html

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/death/page/d_u.html

With the prestige of the Smithsonian Institution and their professional reputations, Owsley and Ubelaker supported other lies, too, beside the "structural collapse" lie. If you want the details, go to:

http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum and put "Owsley" and "Ubelaker" into the search engine.

In particular, Owsley covered up the murders of these children:
  • Cyrus Howell Koresh, 8 years old.
  • Star Howell Koresh, 6 years old.
  • Hollywood Sylvia, 1 year old.
  • Paiges Gent, a baby girl.
  • Melissa Morrison, 8 years old.
For details, see "Waco Meets The Kennewick Man (And Dr. Owsley Sorted The Bones, Oh!)" at: http://www.public-action.com/kennewick.html

With the track records of Drs. Douglas Ubelaker and Owsley, how much trust would you put in their words on the Pentagon victims? They will say whatever the government wants them to say.

But why were the "bone guys" called in for the Pentagon victims? The Washington Post article does not mention that. Supposedly, a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon, a fire broke out, the building collapsed, and the victims died on impact or in the fire. On September 11, Donald Rumsfeld declared all the missing persons to be dead, without having seen one body.

The identity of each victim was known. Cause of death, date of death, circumstances of death -- all were established. The FBI has a DNA lab. What mysteries required the services of the Smithsonian "bone guys"?

Ah! When you check out the history of Owsley and Ubelaker, the lights come on! The bone guys use the magic of their prestige to turn a wish into a fact. Want a headless corpse to have died of suffocation? You got it. Want a political assassination in Toledo to look like a fire victim at the Pentagon? You got it. Want an autopsy report that no other medical examiner in the world would question? You got it. Just ask the Smithsonian "bone guys" to sign off on whatever autopsy report you wish to write, and politics becomes scientific fact.

P.S. How do we know that the Davidians did not murder each other? Well, the government has not bothered to make that case. No Davidians have been charged with the murders of other Davidians.

http://www.public-action.com/911/boneguys.html
 

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Dodge, cut & paste, dodge, cut & paste, dodge...

Could you put some music to this waltz you got goin' on here...lame ass.

I can actually picture you ripping your hair out, screaming at the monitor as I blow holes in you delusions and you have to dodge the reality of what is isn't real. Like the explosions, squibs, real controlled demolitions, where the plane actually hit the ground. Which I might add is shown in your videos.

It must suck to be you.
 

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Alright quandry121, I have created a thread sepcifically to discuss how the towers fell. I do not want your endless copying and pasting of articles, I would prefer your own posts from the knowledge you have acquired in your research.

Please tell me in your opinion why the North and South Towers fell. WE can deal with Tower 7 later on. Please go ahead, I am willing to listen to your views and take them seriously if you do the same.

Didn't some planes crash into them, they got really hot from the airline fuel, the steel melted, and they all came tumbling down?

Don't take that seriously.

ETA: I keep doing that ... thinking it's a new topic and then find out I'm posting on page 36. I need to pay more attention.
 

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No plane hit the pentagon , no luggage remains, no bodys scattered about, no wreckage large enough to confirm it was a 757 ,NO videos OF THE MOST IMPORTANT building in the US, no real proof, all covered up or suppressed evidence, your too blind to see the truth cndbear

There were not enough bodies/body parts to account for the 80-odd Davidian victims
 

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No plane hit the pentagon , no luggage remains, no bodys scattered about, no wreckage large enough to confirm it was a 757 ,NO videos OF THE MOST IMPORTANT building in the US, no real proof, all covered up or suppressed evidence, your too blind to see the truth cndbear
Says who? You? Your grasp on reality is tenuous at best, so you'll have to excuse my reluctance to believe anything you say.
There were not enough bodies/body parts to account for the 80-odd Davidian victims
WTF do Davidians have to do with 9/11?
 

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Everything that hurts your argument. I've addressed everything of any relevance to 9/11, that you have posted. You on the other hand, avoid all sorts of things that you just can not explain or fabricate a way.

I reiterate, it must suck to be you.


What are you 5?
What are you 5
NO ITS YOUR IQ PAL

I've addressed everything of any relevance to 9/11, that you have posted
No you haven't, you came up with lame answers that prove nothing, you have only said this is how it is, you have no proof of your claims, all are supposition by YOU,nothing you have said about anything even sounds plausible , like fires bring down the towers ,where history proves no fires have ever brought down a steel framed building in the past , the air forcing down the elevators is also a rubbish answer the doors would be shut thus forcing the said air to go all the way to the bottom not out through the windows as you allude too, also NO 757 hit the pentagon as you now say it bounced your nuts m8 totally nuts and probably ill in the head
 
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