Why The Towers Fell

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Says who? You? Your grasp on reality is tenuous at best, so you'll have to excuse my reluctance to believe anything you say.WTF do Davidians have to do with 9/11?

look idiot we were talking about the pentagon or does your one brain cell over load when it is asked to think Jesus you are dumb, look no luggage remains around the pentagon attack site no bodys around the pentagon attack site no wreckage identifiable as a 757 at the pentagon attack site have i made this easier for you now
 

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In the weeks after the attack, several things about the official story stood out as suspicious.
  • No photographs or video of a jetliner approaching or impacting Pentagon
  • No military response to protect the capital and military headquarters
  • Part of Pentagon hit was mostly unoccupied
  • No high-level military officials were killed
  • The amazing aerobatic approach to the Pentagon
  • Dubious piloting skills of alleged hijackers
 

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[SIZE=+2]The Lack of Military Intercepts

How did a large aircraft attack the heart of the U.S. military an hour after the nation came under attack?
  • The Pentagon was hit 1 hour 29 minutes into crisis.
    • 8:15: Flight 11 went off course.
    • 9:43: The Pentagon was struck.
  • Flight 77 had been flying toward the capital for about an hour.
    • 8:46: Flight 77 first went off course.
    • Planes are easily tracked by radar, even with transponders off.
  • Andrews Air Force Base is 11 miles from the Pentagon.
    • Andrews AFB had 2 combat-ready fighter wings on 9/11/01.
    • Scramble times (fighters airborne) are 2-5 minutes.
    • Travel time is under 1 minute.
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[SIZE=+2]Spiral Attack Maneuver Avoids Top Brass

The aircraft, coming from the north, crashed into the west block of the Pentagon by executing a 270-degree spiral and descending 7 thousand feet in 2 minutes.
Dulles Air Traffic Controllers thought it was a military plane.
The west block of the Pentagon was under renovation, and sparsely occupied.
No high-level officials were injured or killed in the attack.
The maneuver circling over Arlington meant additional exposure to interception.
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Ultra-Daring Tree-Top Final Approach


An amazing feat of piloting!
  • After steep descent, levels out to tree-top height.
  • Approach is so low that plane supposedly clips lamp poles on highway.
  • Flies inches above ground without touching it.
  • All while supposedly flying at 400 MPH.
 

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[SIZE=+2]Jetliner Aerobatics by Flight School Flunky

Hani Hanjour replaced original suicide pilots of Flight 77 in official story when originally accused pilots were revealed to be alive.

Who would have thought?
  • Hanjour had never flown a jet.
  • Was denied rental of a one-engine light plane.
  • Was described as clueless by instructors.
New York Times, May 4 2002 quotes two flight school instructors:
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Flight school in Venice FL attended by Hanjour had connections to CIA.
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A Jetliner Did This?

Reconstruction of immediate impact damage using photos.
Maximal width of ground-level puncture damage is 90 feet (long red arrow).
Maximal height of puncture damage is 26 feet (top of second floor).

Windows remained unbroken, and masonry unscored, where wings and tail would have to have impacted
 

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[SIZE=+2]Building Damage Pattern Compared to 757-200


Pattern of damage to buildings hit by aircraft is somewhat predictable. Function of:
  • Size, shape, mass, construction of aircraft
  • Construction of building
  • Trajectory of aircraft
  • Velocity of aircraft
Trajectory, inferred from downed lamp-posts, gives wall angle of about 45 degrees. Velocity was about 400 MPH, similar to WTC attack planes.
* At 400 MPH, velocity of jet is like bullet
* Kinetic energy ~ velocity^2
* Jets left impressions in Twin Towers all the way to ends of wings and tails because of their kinetic energy.

A 757-200 is similar in weight and speed to the 767-222s that hit Twin Towers.


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NO ITS YOUR IQ PAL
Another grade school classic...does this get any better? Or should we just expect more of the same 5 year old shyte from you?

No you haven't, you came up with lame answers that prove nothing, you have only said this is how it is, you have no proof of your claims, all are supposition by YOU,nothing you have said about anything even sounds plausible , like fires bring down the towers ,where history proves no fires have ever brought down a steel framed building in the past , the air forcing down the elevators is also a rubbish answer the doors would be shut thus forcing the said air to go all the way to the bottom not out through the windows as you allude too, also NO 757 hit the pentagon as you now say it bounced your nuts m8 totally nuts and probably ill in the head

Lets take a step back here.

1, Fires started by aviation fuel, ignited combustibles in the WTC. Thus weakening the structure. Of which there is no other identical structure in the history of construction. A fact obviously missed by you. You have failed to provide any similar building in history.

2, Air being forced down by the collapsing building blows out windows located near ventilation ducts. Yet you adhere to some mystical notion of some mythical 'squibs'. Of which there are none in recorded history used in controlled demolition. Only in pyrotechnics, explosive bolts and Holywood.

3, Explosions in the lower levels of the WTC are more likely the result of air pressure and debris falling down the hundreds of feet of elevator shafts. Especially since the building collapse from above, not the bottom as with all other controlled demolitions in the history thereof. Yet you have failed to show that you have any understanding of what the construction of the WTC or its elevators. Whereas I am a licensed TSSA certified welder/fabricator that has built elevators, elevator components and devices.

4, You continually claim that the Pentagon was hit by a missile, and there is no damage to the ground, but ignore the berm that sits 150 yards off the face of the impact. And ignore the fact that the explosion is not conducive to high explosive munitions, as would indicative of a missile strike. Whereas I have shown you videos that show you what a missile strike looks like.

5, You ignore the fact that a plane travelling at that rate of speed, with that mass would disintegrate on impact. As shown in the video of the F4 Phantom, a plane of much less mass, travelling at roughly 500mph.

Nope, no supposition, plain verifiable facts and plausable. Unless we're talking about someone with a limited grasp of intelligence, a limited education and a tenuous grasp on reality. Which pretty much sums you up to a 't'.

Seems you need to have your head examined.
 

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[SIZE=+2]Boeing 757-200 Size, Shape, Weight


A Boeing 757-200 is a substantial aircraft.
  • Seats 200 people.
  • Weighs over 80 tons empty.
  • Engine pods are 10 feet in diameter.
  • Engine pods extend 5 feet below fuselage.

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[SIZE=+2]Boeing 757-200 Dimensions


wing span 124 ft 10 inoverall length 155 ft 3 intail height 44 ft 6 infuselage width 12 ft 4 intechnical specifications

plane dimensions relating to impact: [SIZE=+2]width of profile against building facade given approach angle [/SIZE][SIZE=+2]177' [/SIZE][SIZE=+2]height of tail if engines are resting on ground [/SIZE][SIZE=+2]40' [/SIZE]
actual maximal impact damage: [SIZE=+2]width of broken-away walls at ground level [/SIZE][SIZE=+2]90' [/SIZE][SIZE=+2]maximum height of broken-away walls [/SIZE][SIZE=+2]26' [/SIZE]

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Extent of Impact Damage

A section of the west block collapsed 25 minutes after attack.
Photos taken between impact and collapse allow reconstruction of impact damage pattern, in spite of partial obstruction due to smoke.
Area of broken-away walls is outlined in red.
No windows above second floor are broken (between yellow arrows).

 

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  • There is no impression of the tail or wingtips: While it is true that the avialable photos don't show scoring of the region above the second floor, there is obvious damage beyond the wide expanse of first floor impact punctures, where the wingtips presumably would have hit.
  • Areas that would have been impacted by 757 show blast damage but not impact damage: More accurately they may show blast and impact damage. It is difficult to infer the cause of the damage given the uncertainties about the materials in the Pentagon's facade and their behavior in response to such an event.
  • Regions of 'hole' that would have been obliterated by densest part of aircraft have standing columns: The idea that there are standing columns to the right of the impact hole center is based on the assumption that the leaning objects are columns, which is likely an error.
Also, note that the graphics on this page are misleading because they imply that a jetliner is a solid stainless steel object that should puncture anything in its path, out to its extremities. In fact, jetliners are extremely light and fragile compared to a heavy building facade such as the Pentagon's, and are essentially shredded by such a fast collision with such a formidable barrier.
 

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look idiot we were talking about the pentagon or does your one brain cell over load when it is asked to think Jesus you are dumb, look no luggage remains around the pentagon attack site no bodys around the pentagon attack site no wreckage identifiable as a 757 at the pentagon attack site have i made this easier for you now
This coming from the guy babbling about the Branch Davidians in a 9/11 thread? Oh brother...

Anthropomorphism

pure and simple
Did you hurt yourself coming up with that one? Can you actually type out the definition without cut & pasting it?

Ask your Mom, maybe she can make some more time for ya in between trix.
 

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[SIZE=+2]Proponents of the official story say the jet hit the ground first to help explain the too-small damage to facade. However:
  • The lawn shows no gouging nor even major disturbance.
  • Undisturbed objects were directly in flightpath.
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[SIZE=+1]page 18[/SIZE] [SIZE=+0]Copyright 2003-2007 911research.wtc7.net [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Comments by 9-11 Research added on 9/16/04[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Photographs appear to show an undisturbed lawn right up to the facade. However, these photographs were taken from several hundred feet away, resulting in considerable foreshortening of the lawn near the building. In the first photo above, the fence in front of the burning truck appears near the building but is actually about 100 feet away from it. There is an absence of photos that clearly show the ground near to the crash zone to prove that there is no gouging near the building. [/SIZE]
 

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And you still haven't...er...corrected, you have supplied one video, that distinctly shows the damaged area on the berm.
 

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This coming from the guy babbling about the Branch Davidians in a 9/11 thread? Oh brother...

Did you hurt yourself coming up with that one? Can you actually type out the definition without cut & pasting it?

Ask your Mom, maybe she can make some more time for ya in between trix.

Did you hurt yourself coming up with that one? Can you actually type out the definition without cut & pasting it?
anthropomorphism to give human characteristics to certain things such as animals and objects

Ask your Mom, maybe she can make some more time for ya in between trix.
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shes in bed pal

This coming from the guy babbling about the Branch Davidians in a 9/11 thread? Oh brother...

whats up you confused now that Ive spiked your crap statement about a plain hitting the pentagon
 

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Anthropomorphism is the attribution of uniquely human characteristics to non-human creatures and beings, natural and supernatural phenomena, material states and objects or abstract concepts. Subjects for anthropomorphism commonly include animals depicted as creatures with human motivation able to reason and converse, forces of nature such as winds or the sun, components in games, unseen or unknown sources of chance, etc. Almost anything can be subject to anthropomorphism. The term derives from a combination of Greek ἄνθρωπος (anthrōpos), human and μορφή (morphē), shape or form
 
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