Seriously, Do any of you seriously believe this stuff?

Praxius

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But one thing I find is the reason why I posted this, is that my parents and grandparents told me that people used to say all the same thing about the turn of 1900 and 1950... in fact, every turn of a century, there have been predictions that just wern't up to snuff, or never turned out as drastic at everyone feared..... then once they were gone, suddenly there were these other predictions of the end of time from the same books and theories that apparently they have been talking about forever.....

.... oh but those last freak outs were just some crazy wacos who didn't know better... these are accurate prophicies or scientific concepts..... they have to be real.
 

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Who wastes time reading things they don't believe in? lol
I read the Bible a couple times. I like the song about Santra Claus coming to town. Perhaps you think it's "wasting time", I don't. :lol:
In the very least there is usually a good chuckle here and there through the stuff. Is that a waste?
 

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The asteroid "Apophis" represents a potential threat to the planet depending on where it passes us on April 13, 2029 (that would be a Friday, just to give some posters the willies).

At the present time it does not appear to represent a threat to the earth in 2029 but it is expected to pass within the orbits of geosynchronous satellites (around 29,000 kms). The current impact threat in 2029 is 0.004%. Don't worry, its angle of approach won't see it hit any satellites.

The unknown factor this far out is how the earth's gravity in 2029 will impact the asteroids trajectory making an accurate prediction of where the asteroid will be on April 13, 2036 uncertain (don't worry it's not a Friday this time...but it is Easter Sunday!!!).

It is anticipated that new calculations in 2011 and 2013 will see Apophis pass us at around 49 million kms in 2036.

If it did hit the earth it could cause substantial devastation for a thousands of square kilometres but it wouldn't cause a global apocalypse.
 

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I read that, too. As I said, I was simply poking the doomsday people into activity to get another chuckle at their expense.
By the way, whoever said, "but do they not all point to the year 2012?" is mistaken.Apophis was supposed to be around here at about 2029, not 2012.
 

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Who wastes time reading things they don't believe in? lol
I read the Bible a couple times. I like the song about Santra Claus coming to town. Perhaps you think it's "wasting time", I don't. :lol:
In the very least there is usually a good chuckle here and there through the stuff. Is that a waste?

If the pictures and how I worded things didn't clear it up..... The Blue Pill will be a continuing joke in this thread.... I don't really care.
 

Praxius

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The asteroid "Apophis" represents a potential threat to the planet depending on where it passes us on April 13, 2029 (that would be a Friday, just to give some posters the willies).

At the present time it does not appear to represent a threat to the earth in 2029 but it is expected to pass within the orbits of geosynchronous satellites (around 29,000 kms). The current impact threat in 2029 is 0.004%. Don't worry, its angle of approach won't see it hit any satellites.

The unknown factor this far out is how the earth's gravity in 2029 will impact the asteroids trajectory making an accurate prediction of where the asteroid will be on April 13, 2036 uncertain (don't worry it's not a Friday this time...but it is Easter Sunday!!!).

It is anticipated that new calculations in 2011 and 2013 will see Apophis pass us at around 49 million kms in 2036.

If it did hit the earth it could cause substantial devastation for a thousands of square kilometres but it wouldn't cause a global apocalypse.

Yeah, but between here and there, then and now, why is it that only our gravitational pull is being calculated? Wouldn't one think that there could be countless other factors that can and will occur in the next 28 or so years between where it is, and where it will or might or might not be?

What about other unseen gravitational pulls from things we haven't visually discovered yet? What about other Astroids or things in space moving along on their own paths? Deflections due to impacts or one object having a greater mass and greater gravitational pull coming near could also have an effect.

But then again, the majority of the planet is more Ocean then land mass, so there's a much greater chance for it smacking into an ocean, causing quite the tidal wave.

then again, I'll be 56 years old by then..... that's long enough for me.
 

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I read that, too. As I said, I was simply poking the doomsday people into activity to get another chuckle at their expense.
By the way, whoever said, "but do they not all point to the year 2012?" is mistaken.Apophis was supposed to be around here at about 2029, not 2012.

Yeah, I was talking about how all of this is supposed to hit us within the next 50 or so years.

Personally, I think we stand a greater chance at causing our own distruction, then we do from something natural..... one would think concentration on reducing our own chances of killing ourselves off, then worry about other things we have no control over.
 

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ALL ABOUT 2012
THE MAYAN CALENDAR DOES NOT END IN 2012
KEEP READING!!!
The date December 21st, 2012 A.D. (13.0.0.0.0 in the Long Count), represents an extremely close conjunction of the Winter Solstice Sun with the crossing point of the Galactic Equator (Equator of the Milky Way) and the Ecliptic (path of the Sun), what that ancient Maya recognized as the Sacred Tree. This is an event that has been coming to
resonance very slowly over thousands and thousands of years. It will come to resolution at exactly 11:11 am GMT.

The Tzolkin is a 260-day calendar based around the period of human gestation. It is composed of 20 day-signs, each of which has 13 variations, and was (and still is) used to determine character traits and time harmonics, in a similar way to Western astrology. The Maya also used a 365-day calendar called the Haab, and a Venus calendar, plus others. They measured long time periods by means of a Long Count, in which one 360-day year (a "Tun"), consists of 18 x 20-day "months" ("Uinals"). Twenty of these Tuns is a Katun; 20 Katuns is a Baktun (nearly 400 years); and 13 Baktuns adds up to a "Great Cycle" of 1,872,000 days, ( 5200 Tuns, or about 5125 years).

Mayan scholars have been attempting to correlate the Long Count with our Western Gregorian calendar, since the beginning of this century. There has been massive variation in the suggested correlations, but as early as 1905, Goodman suggested a correlation only 3 days from the most popular one today. Known as the GMT correlation, or "correlation # 584283", this was finalized in 1950, and puts the start of the Great Cycle ( day 0.0.0.0.0) on 11th August 3114 BC, and the end-date (known as 13.0.0.0.0.) as 21st December 2012.
Jose Arguelles has pointed out that the Tzolkin is a harmonic of the Great Cycle, and can be used to map history, as if it is measuring not individual gestation but species gestation, since 5 Great Cycles add to exactly 26,000 Tuns; the "Grand Year" or precession of the equinoxes - a higher harmonic of 260.
NOTE: The astronomer Philip Plait has stated very clearly that the Mayan calendar does not end in 2012 at all, that it is like the odometer on your car, as each section of the odometer reaches 9 and then clicks over to 0, the next number to it starts a new cycle, so that when all the numbers again reach 0 all the way across the odometer - the last number will change from 1 to 2 and the new cycle starts all over again.
See: Mayan Database
Sunspot Cycles;Adrian Gilbert and Maurice Cotterell, in their book the Mayan Prophecies, say that the end of the Great Cycle is the culmination of a series of long-term sunspot cycles which will flip the sun’s magnetic field, causing earthquakes and flooding on earth. Moreover, the changing magnetic field will alter the endocrine production of the pineal gland. John Major Jenkins has pointed out that the detailed graphs of the cycles do not actually show significant termination points at the end of the Great Cycle; click here for Jenkins' full unabridged review of The Mayan Prophecies.

According to John Major Jenkins, it will take 36 years to precess through the Galactic equator. The Galactic Alignment "zone" is
1998 +/- 18 years = 1980 to 2016.
This is "era 2012"

[So why are we worried?]

Generally speaking, scientifically accepted records of sunspot activity do seem to be heading for a climax in the near future.
From: http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/
Note: Real science is predicting the next/current sun cycle to be the worst in 50 years. The first two sunspot's of 2006 are moving in reverse direction.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]August 15, 2006: On July 31st, a tiny sunspot was born. It popped up from the sun's interior, floated around a bit, and vanished again in a few hours. On the sun this sort of thing happens all the time and, ordinarily, it wouldn't be worth mentioning. But this sunspot was special: It was backward.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"We've been waiting for this," says David Hathaway, a solar physicist at the Marshall Space Flight in Huntsville, Alabama. "A backward sunspot is a sign that the next solar cycle is beginning."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Right: The tiny, backward sunspot of July 31, 2006. Credit: SOHO. [Larger image][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Backward" means magnetically backward. Hathaway explains:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Sunspots are planet-sized magnets created by the sun's inner magnetic dynamo. Like all magnets in the Universe, sunspots have north (N) and south (S) magnetic poles. The sunspot of July 31st popped up at solar longitude 65o W, latitude 13o S. Sunspots in that area are normally oriented N-S. The newcomer, however, was S-N, opposite the norm.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This tiny spot of backwardness matters because of what it might foretell: A really big solar cycle.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Solar activity rises and falls in 11-year cycles, swinging back and forth between times of quiet and storminess. Right now the sun is quiet. "We're near the end of Solar Cycle 23, which peaked way back in 2001," explains Hathaway. The next cycle, Solar Cycle 24, should begin "any time now," returning the sun to a stormy state.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Satellite operators and NASA mission planners are bracing for this next solar cycle because it is expected to be exceptionally stormy, perhaps the stormiest in decades. Sunspots and solar flares will return in abundance, producing bright auroras on Earth and dangerous proton storms in space: full story.[/FONT]
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But when will Solar Cycle 24 begin?
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Maybe it already did--on July 31st," says Hathaway. The first spot of a new solar cycle is always backwards. Solar physicists have long known that sunspot magnetic fields reverse polarity from cycle to cycle. N-S becomes S-N and vice versa. "The backward sunspot may be the first sunspot of Cycle 24."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It sounds exciting, but Hathaway is cautious on several fronts:[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]First, the sunspot lasted only three hours. Typically, sunspots last days, weeks or even months. Three hours is fleeting in the extreme. "It came and went so fast, it was not given an official sunspot number," says Hathaway. The astronomers who number sunspots didn't think it worthy![/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Second, the latitude of the spot is suspicious. New-cycle sunspots almost always pop up at mid-latitudes, around 30o N or 30o S. The backward sunspot popped up at 13o S. "That's strange."[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]These odd-isms stop Hathaway short of declaring the onset of a new solar cycle. "But it looks promising," he says. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Even if Cycle 24 has truly begun, "don't expect any great storms right away." Solar cycles last 11 years and take time to build up to fever pitch. For a while, perhaps one or two years, Cycle 23 and Cycle 24 will actually share the sun, making it a hodgepodge of backward and forward spots. Eventually, Cycle 24 will take over completely; then the fireworks will really begin. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Meanwhile, Hathaway plans to keep an eye out for more backward sunspots.[/FONT]

FROM:http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/15aug_backwards.htm



[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The place where the December solstice sun crosses the Milky Way is precisely the location of the
"dark-rift in the Milky Way ...'xibalba be' - the road to the underworld."
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]On the winter solstice of 2012, the noonday Sun exactly conjuncts the crossing point of the sun's ecliptic
with the galactic plane, while also closely conjuncting the exact the center of the galaxy.
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The sky on December 21st, 2012 A.D.
showing a rare astronomical alignment -
the winter solstice sun is right in the
"dark rift" in the Milky Way.


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]The Milky Way Galaxy is the inspiration for the symbol of the Ouroboros. Myth refers to a serpent of light residing in the heavens. The Milky Way is this serpent, and viewed at galactic central point near sagittarius, this serpent eats its own tail.

The Milky Way galaxy keeps a great time cycle that ends in catastrophic change. The sign of the SUNTELIA AION is the sun rising out of the mouth of the ouroboros, which will occur on the solstice December 2012.

The Greeks called the End of the Age the
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]SUNTELIA AION
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Ancient historians and especially [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Plato referred to a cycle of catastrophe at the End of the Age.

[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]The AION was symbolized by the Ouroboros. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]See: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica] http://www.mt.net/~watcher/[/FONT]

Jun 17, 2001 (11 Men (Eagle) / 13 Sotz' (Bat) - 12.19.8.5.15) - Hill Barn, near Badbury, Wiltshire - Ouroboros encapsulating planetoid On June 17, 2001, this Ouroboros cropcircle appeared with a soccer ball pattern inside which is said to be the shape of the Universe.


Stela 11 from Izapa shows Cosmic Father
in the "mouth" of Cosmic Mother, the
"dark rift" or "birth canal" in the
Milky Way. This is an image of
the celestial alignment which
culminates in A.D. 2012.

- THE VENUS-SOLAR CONNECTION - 2012 -
THE URANUS/PLUTO CONJUNCTION
We are from another galaxy in the process of joining with the Milky Way. The Milky Way is actually not our parent galaxy. The mystery of why the Milky Way has always been sideways in the night sky has never been answered -- until now.
Dave Romer - Voyager and Galactic Plane on 07 Jul 2003 - DivX 6-5-1.avi. This movie shows the locations of Voyager 1 and Voyage 2 spacecraft circa 2003 -- above and below the galactic plane respectively. "This first full-sky map of Sagittarius shows its extensive interaction with the Milky Way," Majewski said. "Both stars and star clusters now in the outer parts of the Milky Way have been 'stolen' from Sagittarius as the gravitational forces of the Milky Way nibbled away at its dwarf companion. This one vivid example shows that the Milky Way grows by eating its smaller neighbors."
The study's map of M giants depicts 2 billion years of Sagittarius stripping by the Milky Way, and suggests that Sagittarius has reached a critical phase in what had been a slow dance of death.
"After slow, continuous gnawing by the Milky Way, Sagittarius has been whittled down to the point that it cannot hold itself together much longer," said 2MASS Science Team member and study co-author Martin Weinberg of the University of Massachusetts. "We are seeing Sagittarius at the very end of its life as an intact system."
Does this mean we are at a unique moment in the life of our galaxy? Yes and no.
"Whenever possible, astronomers appeal to the principle that we are not at a special time or place in the universe," Majewski said. "Because over the 14 billion-year history of the Milky Way it is unlikely that we would just happen to catch a brief event like the death of Sagittarius, we infer that such events must be common in the life of big spiral galaxies like our own. The Milky Way probably dined on a number of dwarf galaxy snacks in the past."
On the other hand, Majewski and his colleagues have been surprised by the Earth's proximity to a portion of the Sagittarius debris.
"For only a few percent of its 240 million-year orbit around the Milky Way galaxy does our Solar System pass through the path of Sagittarius debris," Majewski said. "Remarkably, stars from Sagittarius are now raining down onto our present position in the Milky Way. Stars from an alien galaxy are relatively near us. We have to re-think our assumptions about the Milky Way galaxy to account for this contamination."
The new findings will help astronomers measure the total mass of the Milky Way and Sagittarius galaxies, and probe the quantity and distribution of the invisible dark matter in these systems.
MORE: http://www.viewzone.com/milkyway.html





THE FOLLOWING IS FROM OTHER RESEARCHERS
The astrological chart for 21 Dec 12:12 Central European Time

We believe the time is 21 Dec 11:11
based on the U.S. Naval Observatory at http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/EarthSeasons.html

Major Jenkins believes the time to be 21 Dec 11:13.
In his book Maya Cosmogenesis 2012, he shows an observatory at:


On page 35, he states, "The early Zapotec capital of Monte Alban is located on a mountaintop outside of present day Ozxaca. Most structures at Monte Alban are oriented 4 degrees to 8 degrees east of north. Structure 1, a strange arrow-shaped building is different. Archaeoastronomers Anthony Aveni and David Linsley determined that this building loosely points to the setting positions of the five bright stars of the Southern Cross. This alignment occurred in the precessional era of 250 B.C. when these structures were built. Overall, the loose 3 degree range of the alignment is not very impressive. However, Aveni noted another alignment that yields more interesting results. The perpendicular to Structure J's baseline shoots through what was an opening or doorway in Structure P points northeast to where the bright star Capella was seen to rise in the processional era of 275 B.C. During this time Capella made its first reappearance in the predawn sky (its heliacal rise) on May 8, which is the first solar zenith passage date at the latitude of Monte Alban. Solar zenith passages (when the sun passes through the zenith at high noon) were important indicators of the zenith center and told the Mesoamerican farmer when the rainy season was about to commence. Solar zenith passages occur only within the Tropics, that is between latitudes 23.5 degrees S and 23.5 degrees N. Amazingly platform Structure B through which the Capella observations were sighted, houses Monte Alban's famous zenith tube. This vertical tube leads into an underground chamber where zenith passage measurements of the sun and stars could be made. Zenith tubes have been found at other sites, such as Xochicalco in Central Mexico.
They probably understood that the zenith center was located in 'time' as well as in space, because solar zenith passages occur only twice every year. The solar year (the haab), the tzolkin and intervals between zenith passages all contributed to the ancient Mesoamerican's developing calendric cosmology. It was the synchronization in time of key points in these different cycles that would define the center of time and space. However, it might be better to say that key alignments in large time cycles open the doorway to the center of spacetime, rather than define that center.
Teotihuacan, the great Toltec metropolis where the Fifth sun was born, also contains evidence of having been constructed according to an astronomical plan. Several scholars have argued that an alignment with the Pleiades was responsible for the founding orientation of Teotihuacan. The axis perpendicular to the famous Street of the dead pointed to the setting position of the Pleiades. The two "pecked crosses" that scholars believe were used to lay out the city lie along this axis. The pecked cross in the group of structures called the Viking Group is just east of the Street of the Dead, and the Cerro Colorado pecked cross is some distance to the west.
John Major Jenkins tells us this in his introduction:
"The eclipse is the path traveled by the sun, moon, and planets through the sky. Twelve constellations lie along the ecliptic, and the sun passes through all twelve during the course of one year. The ecliptic cross over the Milky Way at a 60 degree angle near the constellation Sagittarius. As such, it forms a cross with the Milky Way, and this cosmic cross was called the Sacred Tree by the ancient Maya. (The cross form was also known as the "crossroads." Amazingly, the center of this cosmic cross, that is right where the ecliptic crosses over the Milky Way is exactly where the December solstice sun will be in A.D. 2012. This alignment occurs only once every 25,800 years.
"The Milky Way is observed as a bright, wide band of stars arching through the sky. In the clear skies of ancient Mesoamerica, many dark, blotchy areas could be observed along the Milky Way's length. These are "dark cloud" formations caused by interstellar dust. The most prominent of these is called the "dark-rift" or the "Great Cleft" of the Milky Way. It looks like a dark road running along the Milky Way, and it points right at the cosmic crossing point, the center of the Maya Sacred Tree, right where the sun will be in 2012! The Maya called this dark-rift the Black Road, or the Road to the Underworld. They seem to have imagined it as a portal to another world, and the December solstice sun can enter it only in A.D. 2012.
"The area of the sky where all of these symbols and celestial objects converge is the center of our Milky Way Galaxy. This was perhaps the most astounding thing I discovered. The par of the Milky Way that the December solstice sun will conjunct is also where the center of our Galaxy (the Galactic Center) is located. It is the cosmic womb from which new stars are born, and from which everything in our Galaxy, including humans, came.
In the cosmos - 1 minute time is not going to make that big a difference
considering the vast amount of space between our sun and the center of the Milky Way
as seen from Earth. The original calendar was based on Mayan information at a
specific temple as yet unidentified as exact position.

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ANNULAR ECLIPSE- MAY 20, 2012
click here for larger view

FROM: http://users.telenet.be/nmenneke/eclips/engels/eclips12_en.html SOME SCIENTISTS SAY:
The public has many misconceptions about earthquakes – whether it’s the inevitability of California falling into the ocean or the wisdom of standing in a doorway during heavy shaking -- and about science’s ability to predict them. As the April 18 centennial of the 1906 San Francisco earthquake approaches, CGS hopes to debunk some common quake myths and help the public become better informed about the potential hazard.
While there are reports of predictions that have accurately stated the time, location and magnitude of an earthquake, frequently such reports aren’t examined in a scientifically rigorous fashion. Wills believe that the human tendency to seek out patterns to make sense of things – as well as selective memory – are behind many claims of inside knowledge of what the Earth is up to.
During a recent total eclipse of the sun, residents of Turkey’s Tokat province camped out in tents, fearing an earthquake. Although the scientific community offered reassurance that there’s no connection between eclipses and quakes, residents remembered that in August 1999, 17,000 people in northwestern Turkey died when an earthquake struck six days after an eclipse.
FROM: http://www.consrv.ca.gov/index/news/2006 News Releases/NR2006-08_Earthquake_Prediction_and_Myths.htm




THE ASTROLOGY OF DECEMBER 2012: DISASTER, ASCENSION OR BOTH?

by Roeland de Looff © roeland@astrologycourse.org
(used with permission)
According to many prophecies something important is about to happen in 2012. In 2012 the centre of the Galaxy is at 0 degree of the Western zodiacal sign Capricorn. 0 degree Capricorn is the point of the zodiac where the Sun is during the December solstice.
At December 21, 11.12 GMT during the December solstice the Sun is at the exact centre of the Galaxy. According to the Mayas the center of the Galaxy is the cosmic womb: the place of dead, transformation, regeneration and rebirth. This moment shows the end of their calendar.
To know more about what this means it is interesting to make an astrological chart of the December solstice of 2012. Below you see a chart for 21 December 12.12 Middle European Time (11.12 GMT), Amsterdam, Netherlands. The planetary pattern will be the same for all locations only the ascendant and house division will be different.
HIGHLIGHTS OF THE ASTROLOGICAL CHART The Sun is at 0 degrees Capricorn, the point of the December solstice. It makes a sextile to Neptune, right at the beginning of Pisces. This is an almost exact sextile. The orb is less then half a degree. This aspect can point towards a spiritual experience, a loss or both.
The most important configuration is a yod which we find in the chart. This is also called the Finger of God. It looks like an arrow in the chart and it indicates change and transformations. .
The yod consists of: 1. A quincunx (150 degree aspect) between Jupiter and Pluto.
2. A quincunx between Jupiter and Saturn.
3. A central opposition (180 degree aspect) made between Jupiter and the Mercury/Venus conjunction.
The two quincunxes are almost exact, they have an orb of less then half a degree. In fact the quincunx between Jupiter and Pluto is exact at December 21 2012.
THE MEANING OF THE ASTROLOGICAL CHART
Pluto is the planet of radical transformation, death and rebirth.
Saturn is the planet of the earthly realm and of learning experiences, especially those of a more painful nature.
Jupiter is the planet of expansion. It is the focus of the yod, the planet which receives the strong energy of the other planets involved. It also expands the energy of the other planets involved (especially Saturn and Pluto). This yod indicates transformational processes which can be painful for many.
Jupiter has a central place in this because it is the focal point of the energy. This indicates changes in our religious systems, beliefs, philosophical systems. These fall under Jupiter.

Another notable configuration is the T-square with Neptune as focal point:
  • Jupiter makes a square (90 degree aspect) to Neptune.
  • Neptune makes a square to Venus.
  • Venus opposes Jupiter, this is the central opposition that activates the yod.
Therefore Neptune, the planet of spirituality, ascension, confusion and floods is a cruxial planet in this chart.
Is it possible to find out more details about the picture given above? Maybe we can use another astrological method to find out more about what the above chart indicates?
THE CHINESE FOUR PILLAR CHART OR THE STORY OF THE TWO DRAGONS
I have made a Chinese Four Pillar Chart. This type of chart contains of four pillars that are dependend upon the hour, day, month and year. Because the hourly pillar depends upon the location I have confined myself to the pillars of the day, month and year. These are the same for the entire world. In the roots of the chart (the lower part of the pillars) we find a rat that is surrounded by two dragons. The dragons almost seems to be making plans to eat the rat.
The dragon represents the ouroboros, the mythological dragon or snake that bites its own tail. According to Mayan cosmology this ouroboros symbolises the Milky Way.
The dragon is an earthly sign, the rat is a water sign. Therefore this chart contains water and earth.
In the stems (the top of the chart) we find yang fire. This is the strong fire of the Sun or a natural fire.
In this chart water is the strongest element. It can be found in the rat and in the two Yang Waters.
A meteorite falling in the ocean would be one expression of this chart. Or a vulcan (fire and earth) exploding and causing a tsunami (water). It could also indicate floods. Water and Earth the strongest elements of this charts are enemies to one another. Since Water is more powerful in the chart, this may indicate largescale floods. Therefore of all the events possible large scale floods are the most likely.
This is confirmed by the Western chart in which Neptune plays a crucial role.
In my opinion what this chart indicates is that the polluted energy of the collective unconsciousness will turn against humanity. Whatever happens, it will be an expression of the energy that is radiated by a humanity that is unable to live in peace and to make the right choices (for peace, welfare, health and inner spirituality).
CHINESE FOUR PILLAR CHART DECEMBER 21 2012 (DAY PILLAR, MONTH PILLAR AND YEAR PILLAR ARE NOT DEPENDENT UPON THE LOCATION) (The hour pillar not included as it is different from place to place)
PILLAR OF THE DAYPILLAR OF THE MONTHPILLAR OF THE YEARYANG FIREYANG WATERYANG WATER DRAGONRATDRAGONCONCLUSION: See: http://www.astrologycourse.org/2012.htm

2012: Controversy - the Creation Cycles
do not end December 21, 2012,


Over the decades much discussion has focused on finding the exact correlation
between the Mayan Long Count and the Gregorian calendar. Most researchers i
n the field have now come to agree that the so-called GMT correlation, placing
the beginning of the Long Count 4 Ahau 8 Cumku on the Julian day 584 283,
August 11, 3114 BC, is correct. This means by consequence that it will end on
December 21
, 2012 and most, such as Jose Arguelles, John Jenkins and
Terence McKenna
, who have taken an interest in the calendar of the Maya,
have endorsed this date as the end of the current cycle.

THE 2012 CALENDARS

EXPECTED ENDS OF THE WORLD
Arrival of Hindu's avatar of Krishna in 2003
Gaia 2012A Sweden-based site explaining Carl Johan Calleman's "Venus Passage"
discoveries due in 2012. However, Calleman has now decided that the Great Cycle
ends on 28th October 2011 - see the Mayaonics site.

The End of the Mayan Calendar After Dec. 21, 2012
Planetary Alignment Sept. 8, 2040
Will there be an Earth left to have earthquakes?
The End of the Muslim Calendar, 2076

The end of the Jewish Calendar, 2240
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Equinoxes
Mar
20
05
14

Sept
22
14
49
Aphelion
July
5
03

Solstices
June
20
23
09

Dec
21
11
11

In the 28 years listed on the page from which the above table was taken, only the one 11:11 universal time is given. The end of the Mayan calendar falls on December 21, 2012. That is the famous "End Date" -
The How and Why of the Mayan End Date in 2012 A.D.
http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html
 

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The Mayans did not elaborate in great detail about what would happen in 2012 A.D., just that their calendar would end. However, there has been no end (pardon the pun) to the possibilities being forecast by modern day interpretors of what the Mayans might have meant. These possibilities include 2012 A.D. as a time for:


1) major changes in human DNA (as in Indigo Children),

2) an enormous leap in Consciousness
3) dimensional shifts (as in Hyperdimensional Physics and/or Superstrings),
4) the cessation of linear Time
5) an evolutionary human pinnacle
6) a huge surge and multiple breakthroughs in technology
7) the end of Money [Shirley, you jest!]
8) massive genetic mutations [the good news!]
9) (5/25/06) Massive earthquakes and volcanic activity due to sunspot activity and unique planetary alignments (as discussed in Jupiter's Dance),
10) a serious, altogether-too-close encounter with a Near-Earth Objects member
11) and a cosmic alignment of our solar system with the plane of our Galaxy, the Milky Way. The latter represents the end of a 25,920 year cycle -- a cycle based on the Precession of the Equinoxes).


http://www.halexandria.org/dward415.htm
 
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Thousands of Dutch Prepare for 2012 Apocalypse, According to Report

Tuesday, June 24, 2008



The world will end in 2012 — or so say thousands in the Netherlands preparing for the apocalypse in four years, the Dutch-language newspaper de Volkskrant reported Tuesday.

The paper spoke to those who believe the 2012 date signals the impending end of civilization and are stocking up on emergency supplies, equipment and life rafts in case of flooding, United Press International reported.

While theories vary as to why 2012, in particular, is believed by some to represent the world's end, most say it is the end of the Mayan calendar. Some are optimistic about the apocalypse, saying they no longer want to live in the modern world.

"You know, maybe it's really not that bad that the Netherlands will be destroyed," Petra Faile told de Volkskrant. "I don't like it here anymore. Take immigration, for example. They keep letting people in. And then we have to build more houses, which makes the Netherlands even heavier. The country will sink even lower, which will make the flooding worse."

Click here to read more on this story at UPI.com.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,370591,00.html
 

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http://webstation6.com/web6/edge/pleiades/pleiades.html
 

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Nostradamus...well if he said it were screwed. :roll:

I saw a film when I was younger called "The Man who saw Tomorrow" (1979). It went on to say all the things Nostradamus predicted. He predicted everything. Then the scary part was when he predicted the future. None and I mean NONE of his predictions or the attempted translations were true. Some of the favorites...

Ted Kennedy gets elected President...and assasinated
A meteor hits Los Angeles in the 1990's

Sure when a major event happens people run to the Nostradamus writings and say...
"Look...there it is! He predicted it."

HOGWASH. Ramblings of the insane.
 

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Hey! I got a Question for you..... Why are you still here?

Didn't you just say: "Nope, I don't believe that crap."

That's all we need, thanks.... now you're wasting precious time... you should be Ga'Diggy'a'dinging your Shlobloing'n..
....not wasting your time reading things you don't believe in..... remember, you took the Blue Pill. :p

Just because I don't believe the crap doesn't mean I don't read it, otherwise how can I say with authority that it is crap???
 

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I first read some of this stuff in a book by Immanuel Velikovski about thirty years ago. I thought it was crap then and it has not improved with age. If civilization is destroyed in 2012, I will apologise.
 

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Yeah, I was talking about how all of this is supposed to hit us within the next 50 or so years.

Personally, I think we stand a greater chance at causing our own distruction, then we do from something natural..... one would think concentration on reducing our own chances of killing ourselves off, then worry about other things we have no control over.

I'm of the opinion that you are entirely wrong in your belief. And in any case if we snuff ourselves that's still completely natural unless you think we are un-natural. Probabilitys of a impact with space chunks is a certainty. Historically recent impacts have shaped the developement of our present culture more than any other factor on earth.
 

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Quand, seriously.... I already mentioned I do not want to bring in all the other crap from those other threads, which is why I linked them in post #1, so that this thread wouldn't get filled up with all this stuff.... I seriously do not have the patience to read through multiple quotes of multiple links made back to back of more posts of the same.

And before people point the finger back at me for doing the same, I don't do the same... I link one article at a time.... not several all in one posting.... and I break it up for relation purposes and for easier reading.

Jeez, I can deal with a link or two with a few paragraphs to help explain what you're trying to say in here, but I'm not about to sit down like I'm in university to read it all at once from scratch, nor do I imagine others here are willing to do that either.

Once again.... and again..... This thread isn't supposed to be intended to be used for members to pimp out their own concepts, as there are already existing threads to continue this in.

In other words.... I want to hear your understanding on the matter from your own words as you understand it yourself, not from endless quoted reports from someone else. Your last couple of posts didn't even include any input on your part, but just shelling us with other reports.... so we don't even know your personal stance on anything and what it means to you in your own words.

Then again, that might be too much to ask.
 

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I'm of the opinion that you are entirely wrong in your belief. And in any case if we snuff ourselves that's still completely natural unless you think we are un-natural.

Well of course it's natural.... hell you know what I mean when I say what I say.... we're either killed by ourselves, or not by ourselves, take that anyway you wish. I have always been on the frame of mind that everything surrounding us, whether it is influenced by us or not, is natural.... animals becoming extinct, new ones being discovered, pollution, cancer, anal sex... it's all natural in one fashion or another.

I said Natural Distruction because most people tend to understand that it normally means by our hands or not by our hands and normally reduces the chances of when I need to further explain what I am trying to explain.... such as I am doing right now.

Guess one can't win either way.

Probabilitys of a impact with space chunks is a certainty. Historically recent impacts have shaped the developement of our present culture more than any other factor on earth.

Yes, but will an impact happen to Earth in the next 50 years or so? That is the question.

What about Global Warming/Climate Change causing our distruction?

What about WWIII or a Nuclear Holocaust? what are the chances of that occuring in the next 50 years?

What about the Earth's Axis reversing and killing us all off in 2012?

What about Terminators coming through Time Portals to kill us all?

The question being presented in general is: Do you think there is anymore of a chance of humanity or the planet itself being destroyed within the next 50 years (Give or Take) then there was 50 or 100 years ago? How about 1000 years ago?

Why now? Why so soon? Or is it soon?

Here is why I present the question:

List of past Doomsday Predictions:
http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm
http://www.2think.org/hundredsheep/skeptic/predictions.shtml
http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm

ca. 2800 BC
According to Isaac Asimov's Book of Facts (1979), an Assyrian clay tablet dating to approximately 2800 BC was unearthed bearing the words "Our earth is degenerate in these latter days. There are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end. Bribery and corruption are common." This is one of the earliest examples of the perception of moral decay in society being interpreted as a sign of the imminent end.

634 BC
Apocalyptic thinking gripped many ancient cultures, including the Romans. Early in Rome's history, many Romans feared that the city would be destroyed in the 120th year of its founding. There was a myth that 12 eagles had revealed to Romulus a mystical number representing the lifetime of Rome, and some early Romans hypothesized that each eagle represented 10 years. The Roman calendar was counted from the founding of Rome, 1 AUC (ab urbe condita) being 753 BC. Thus 120 AUC is 634 BC. (Thompson p.19)

389 BC
Some Romans figured that the mystical number revealed to Romulus represented the number of days in a year (the Great Year concept), so they expected Rome to be destroyed around 365 AUC (389 BC). (Thompson p.19)

1st Century
Jesus said, "Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." (Matthew 16:28) This implies that the Second Coming would return within the lifetime of his contemporaries, and indeed the Apostles expected Jesus to return before the passing of their generation.

2nd Century
The Montanists believed that Christ would come again within their lifetimes and establish a new Jerusalem at Pepuza, in the land of Phrygia. Montanism was perhaps the first bona fide Christian doomsday cult. It was founded ca. 156 AD by the tongues-speaking prophet Montanus and two followers, Priscilla and Maximilla. Despite the failure of Jesus to return, the cult lasted for several centuries. Tertullian, who once said "I believe it just because it is unbelievable" (a true skeptic if ever there was one!), was perhaps the most renowned Montanist. (Gould p.43-44)

247
Rome celebrated its thousandth anniversary this year. At the same time, the Roman government dramatically increased its persecution of Christians, so much so that many Christians believed that the End had arrived. (Source: PBS Frontline special Apocalypse!)

Late 4th Century
St. Martin of Tours (ca. 316-397) wrote, "There is no doubt that the Antichrist has already been born. Firmly established already in his early years, he will, after reaching maturity, achieve supreme power." (Abanes p.119)

500
Roman theologian Sextus Julius Africanus (ca. 160-240) claimed that the End would occur 6000 years after the Creation. He assumed that there were 5531 years between the Creation and the Resurrection, and thus expected the Second Coming to take place no later than 500 AD. (Kyle p.37, McIver #21)
Hippolytus (died ca. 236), believing that Christ would return 6000 years after the Creation, anticipated the Parousia in 500 AD. (Abanes p.283)
The theologian Irenaeus, influenced by Hippolytus's writings, also saw 500 as the year of the Second Coming. (Abanes p.283, McIver #15)

Apr 6, 793
Elipandus, bishop of Toledo, described a brief bout of end-time panic that happened on Easter Eve, 793. According to Elipandus, the Spanish monk Beatus of Liébana prophesied the end of the world that day in the presence a crowd of people. The people, thinking that the world would end that night, became frightened, panicked, and fasted through the night until dawn. Seeing that the world had not ended and feeling hungry, Hordonius, one of the fasters, quipped, "Let's eat and drink, so that if we die at least we'll be fed." (Abanes p. 168-169, Weber p.50)

800
Sextus Julius Africanus revised the date of Doomsday to 800 AD. (Kyle p.37)
Beatus of Liébana wrote in his Commentary on the Apocalypse, which he finished in 786, that there were only 14 years left until the end of the world. Thus, the world would end by 800 at the latest. (Abanes p.168)

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Ok, I'll skip a few centuries to some more recent predictions:

Sep 23, 1186
John of Toledo, after calculating that a planetary alignment would occur in Libra on September 23, 1186 (Julian calendar), circulated a letter (known as the "Letter of Toledo") warning that the world was to going to be destroyed on this date, and that only a few people would survive. (Randi p.236)

Feb 14, 1420
Czech Doomsday prophet Martinek Hausha (Martin Huska) of the radical Taborite movement warned that the world would end in February 1420, February 14 at the latest. The Taborites were an offshoot of the Hussite movement of Bohemia. (McIver #71, Shaw p.43)

ca. 1555
Around the year 1400, the French theologian Pierre d'Ailly wrote that 6845 years of human history had already passed, and the end of the world would be in the 7000th year. His works would later influence the apocalyptic thinking of Christopher Columbus. (McIver #72)

1657
Final apocalyptic battle and the destruction of the Antichrist were to take place between 1655 and 1657, as per the Fifth Monarchy Men, a radical group of English millenarians who attempted to take over Parliament to impose their extremist theocratic agenda on the country. Not unlike the Christian Coalition of modern-day America! (Kyle p.67)

1666
As this date is 1000 (millennium) + 666 (number of the Beast) and followed a period of war and strife in England, many Londoners feared that 1666 would be the end of the world. The Great Fire of London in 1666 did not help to alleviate these fears. (Schwartz p.87, Kyle p.67-68)
Sabbatai Zevi recalculated the coming of the Messiah to 1666. Despite his failed prophecies, he had accumulated a great many followers. He was later arrested for stirring up trouble, and given the choice of converting to Islam or execution. Pragmatic man that he was, he wisely elected for the former. (Festinger)

1700
• The end of the world, according to some Puritans. (Kyle p.79)
• John Napier's doomsday calculation #2, based on the Book of Daniel. (Weber p.92)
• The date of the Second Coming, according to Henry Archer, a Fifth Monarchy Man. Archer made this prediction in his 1642 book The Personall Reign of Christ Upon Earth. (McIver #158)

1891 or before:
On 1835-FEB-14, Joseph Smith, the founder of the Mormon church, attended a meeting of church leaders. He said that the meeting had been called because God had commanded it. He announced that Jesus would return within 56 years -- i.e. before 1891-FEB-15. (History of the Church 2:182)

1914
was one of the more important estimates of the start of the war of Armageddon by the Jehovah's Witnesses (Watchtower Bible and Tract Society). They based their prophecy of 1914 from prophecy in the book of Daniel, Chapter 4. The writings referred to "seven times". The WTS interpreted each "time" as equal to 360 days, giving a total of 2520 days. This was further interpreted as representing 2520 years, measured from the starting date of 607 BCE. This gave 1914 as the target date. When 1914 passed, they changed their prediction; 1914 became the year that Jesus invisibly began his rule.

1919:
Meteorologist Albert Porta predicted that the conjunction of 6 planets would generate a magnetic current that would cause the sun to explode and engulf the earth on DEC-17.

1948:
During this year, the state of Israel was founded. Some Christians believed that this event was the final prerequisite for the second coming of Jesus. Various end of the world predictions were made in the range 1888 to 2048.

1953-AUG:
David Davidson wrote a book titled "The Great Pyramid, Its Divine Message". In it, he predicted that the world would end in 1953-AUG.

1960:
Piazzi Smyth, a past astronomer royal of Scotland, wrote a book circa 1860 titled "Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid." It was responsible for spreading the belief in pyramidology throughout the world. This is the belief that secrets are hidden in the dimensions of the great pyramids. He concluded from his research that the millennium would start before the end of 1960 CE.

1967:
During the six day war, the Israeli army captured all of Jerusalem. Many conservative Christians believed that the rapture would occur quickly. However, the final Biblical prerequisite for the second coming is that the Jews resume ritual animal sacrifices in the temple at Jerusalem. That never happened.

1980:
Leland Jensen leader of a Baha'i Faith group, predicted that a nuclear disaster would happen in 1980. This would be followed by two decades of conflict, ending in the establishment of God's Kingdom on earth.

1982:
Astronomers John Gribben & Setphen Plagemann predicted the "Jupiter Effect" in 1974. They wrote that when various planets were aligned on the same side of the sun, tidal forces would create solar flares, radio interruptions, rainfall and temperature disturbances and massive earthquakes. The planets did align as seen from earth, as they do regularly. Nothing unusual happened.

1986:
Moses David of The Children of God faith group predicted that the Battle of Armageddon would take place in 1986. Russia would defeat Israel and the United States. A worldwide Communist dictatorship would be established. In 1993, Christ would return to earth.

1987 to 2000:
Lester Sumrall, in his 1987 book "I Predict 2000 AD" predicted that Jerusalem would be the richest city on Earth, that the Common Market would rule Europe, and that there would be a nuclear war involving Russia and perhaps the U.S. Also, he prophesized that the greatest Christian revival in the history of the church would happen: all during the last 13 years of the 20th century. All of the predictions failed.

1988-OCT-11:
Edgar Whisenaut, a NASA scientist, had published the book "88 Reasons why the Rapture will Occur in 1988." It sold over 4 million copies.

And let's not forget about the Y2K / 2000 Bug and doomsday plot.....

As you can see if you skim through the various web pages I provided, there has been hundreds, if not thousands of predictions of us all dying in the past..... what makes these predictions any more realistic?

We haven't all died yet.... all other predictions have been 100% wrong.... what makes these predictions so great?