The end of fear .

[china]

Let's look at life most objectively, clearly - not according to sentiment or,your fancy, what you like or don't like. It's what we like and don't like that has created this misery. What I'm saying is this: 'How do we end fear?' That's one of our great problems, because if a human being can't end it he lives in darkness everlastingly, not everlastingly in the Christian sense but in the ordinary sense; one life is good enough. For me, as a human being, there must be a way out and not by creating a hope in some future. Can I as a human being, end fear, totally; not little bits of it? Probably you've never put this question to yourself. But if you did put that question most seriously,not with the intention of finding out not how to end it, but with the intention of finding out the nature and the structure of fear, the moment you have found out, fear itself comes to an end; you don't have to do anything about it.Try it.

 

[missile]

Only in oneself,can fear be conquered & usually by facing whatever it is that causes fear.I wish I knew of a method to eliminate fears held by those I love.

 

[china]

Fear is never an actuality; it is either before or after the active present. When there is fear in the active present, is it fear? It is there and there is no escape from it, no evasion possible. There, at that actual moment, there is total attention at the moment of danger, physical or physiological. When there is complete attention there is no fear.
Thought itself is the source of fear. Thought is time; thought of tomorrow is pleasure or pain; if it’s pleasurable, thought will pursue it, fearing its end; if it is painful, the very avoidance of it is fear. Both pleasure and pain cause fear. Time as thought and time as feeling bring fear. Thought is the whole process of consciousness, the open and the hidden; thought is not merely the thing thought upon but the origin of itself. Thought is not merely belief, dogma, idea and reason but the centre from which these arise, This centre is the origin of all fear.
When this whole process of thought, time and fear is seen -actualy , not as an idea, an intellectual formula, then there is total ending of fear, conscious or hidden. Self-understanding is the awakening and ending of fear.
And when fear ceases, then the power to breed illusion, myth, visions, with their hope and despair also ceases, and then only begins a movement of going beyond consciousness, which is thought and feeling. It is the emptying of the innermost recesses and deep hidden wants and desires. Then when there is this total emptiness, when there is absolutely and literally nothing, no influences, no value, no frontier, no word, then in that complete stillness of time-space, there is that which is unnameable.

 

[talloola]

perhaps the unameable could be named 'boredom'.

 

[china]

talloola

perhaps the unameable could be named 'boredom'.
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.......or stupid ,I can see from this or your other answers to my posts that you are an expert in that field .

 

[Praxius]

To me, fear was always what the unknown was that may pose a danger in which I should be prepared for.

What was the unknown that gave me the fear most times?

Death / The End of This Life.

Then a many years ago, many moons ago from today, over in them thar hills over younder, I found the within which is also part of the without, and technically once you understand that no matter what happens in this life right now or a few years ago, or in a few years to come, that this is your life and no one else's and if and when you go, is your time to go. Your ripple in the timeline was noticed (If not, then get yer butt moving, you're gonna die soon)

But there's not much that I fear these days, I just hate things or dislike them now.

 

[china]

Praxius,

To me, fear was always what the unknown was that may pose a danger in which I should be prepared for.

What was the unknown that gave me the fear most times?

Death / The End of This Life.

Then a many years ago, many moons ago from today, over in them thar hills over younder, I found the within which is also part of the without, and technically once you understand that no matter what happens in this life right now or a few years ago, or in a few years to come, that this is your life and no one else's and if and when you go, is your time to go. Your ripple in the timeline was noticed (If not, then get yer butt moving, you're gonna die soon)

But there's not much that I fear these days, I just hate things or dislike them now.-----------------------------------------------

Cool observation ....a Canadian wisdom .

 

[Outta here]

.......or stupid ,I can see from this or your other answers to my posts that you are an expert in that field .

China, when you resort to replies such as this, it causes me to wonder if someone has stolen your pc - how can a mind that gifts us with such depth in the subjects you like to discuss also consider treating others in such a way? Perhaps it's presumptuous of me, but I'm accustomed to relating with people on a philsophical/spiritual board who discuss nothing but the the very same subjects you bring to the CC table... and it's rare for me to see those engrossed in the pursuit of higher awareness discouraging people to share in that journey by the use of such comments... are these not the same people who can contribute another angle to the discussion? Everyone, every thought is an opportunity to see another layer...

Your response to Talloola imo, negates the sincerity of any question that appears to have arisen out of a quest for deeper understanding of yourself or your fellow humans....

 

[Outta here]

To me, fear was always what the unknown was that may pose a danger in which I should be prepared for.

What was the unknown that gave me the fear most times?....

But there's not much that I fear these days, I just hate things or dislike them now.

Praxious - I can't help but respond to your comment, but I don't have time to really get into it this morning... however there is an interesting theory which says that all human thought, action, emotion is rooted in one of only two possible choices: love or fear - so the statement "I hate...." is not generally rooted in the 'love' side of the coin... nor is 'hate' considered a root emotion. Following that particular line of thought, I wonder if you would entertain the idea that 'hating a thing' could be considered a fear of something associated with that 'thing'... just a little thought to munch on ...

 

[darkbeaver]

perhaps the unameable could be named 'boredom'.

I used to have a partner who was bored everyday without fail, it became very boreing. I learned that she could not become engaged or engrossed without externalitys but only temporaily distracted by entertainment and material considerations. Boredom is the fear I have of personal perfection, even a pebble can be perfect, perfection is completion, completion is death, death is a perfected state.

 

[china]

Zan

Quoting china .......or stupid ,I can see from this or your other answers to my posts that you are an expert in that field .
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China, when you resort to replies such as this, it causes me to wonder if someone has stolen your pc - how can a mind that gifts us with such depth in the subjects you like to discuss also consider treating others in such a way? Perhaps it's presumptuous of me, but I'm accustomed to relating with people on a philsophical/spiritual board who discuss nothing but the the very same subjects you bring to the CC table... and it's rare for me to see those engrossed in the pursuit of higher awareness discouraging people to share in that journey by the use of such comments... are these not the same people who can contribute another angle to the discussion? Everyone, every thought is an opportunity to see another layer...

Your response to Talloola imo, negates the sincerity of any question that appears to have arisen out of a quest for deeper understanding of yourself or your fellow humans.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- vbrep_register("926716", true)register("926716", true)

Thanks Zan, I need it that.

 

[darkbeaver]

Praxious - I can't help but respond to your comment, but I don't have time to really get into it this morning... however there is an interesting theory which says that all human thought, action, emotion is rooted in one of only two possible choices: love or fear - so the statement "I hate...." is not generally rooted in the 'love' side of the coin... nor is 'hate' considered a root emotion. Following that particular line of thought, I wonder if you would entertain the idea that 'hating a thing' could be considered a fear of something associated with that 'thing'... just a little thought to munch on ...

Interesting, we humans use simple linear points of reference for the most part, such as the coin or my favourite the stick. But we should have advanced to the sphereical reference eons ago, and some have.Even use of the root analogy is rooted in the distant past (root of the tree of knowledge. Love generates as much fear as hate, love and hate are not excludable of each other and cannot be thought of separately, try it, you are forced to bounce between the two through the range of emotion, it's inescapable. Hate and love and fear and greed and lust and all the other human consideration coexist simultaneously in a sphere of human emotion. IMO

 

[MikeyDB]

Religion and the doctrines credos and mysticism of “belief” were created to alleviate fear. An idea, a notion that death was the end, that all the challenges, opportunities, pleasures and yes, pain would end at death is the most primal fear. Physiologically speaking, fear is accompanied by often-dramatic changes in respiration, circulation and hormone balances within the organism experiencing fear. Sometimes these changes contribute to enhanced physical response to a fear inducing circumstance. The chances of escaping the situation that elicits fear are increased through higher levels of oxygenation in the blood, increased levels of hormones that catalyze fuel and oxygen, which can afford a briefly enhanced strength and sharpened sensory awareness.

Fear serves an evolutionary/biological purpose.

The experience of fear as emotion divorced from the immediate, i.e. fear of anticipated consequence or presumption of the potential denial of acceptance and reduction in status or ‘respect’ is the kind of fear that is most frequently transformed into anger and then into depression. Sensing danger (non-identifiable noises in the dark which can be interpreted as threatening), prudent caution in situations where physical proximity to fire or great height or sources of potential harm/death may exist is entirely different than the emotional kind of fear that presupposes consequences for particular attitudes or behaviours.

Failing to conform to social expectations particularly in the courting and mating rituals can lead to failure to bond or engender sexual response and thus encumber and frustrate the reproduction cycle. While socially acceptable formulas and rituals of dress and behavior exist among “civilized” people, the physical reproductive elements exist independent of these artificial mandates. At a primitive level, sexual reproduction does not rely on meeting these expectations and the complex interrelationship of elements and conditions which increase the potential success of the reproductive cycle are structures upon which social taboos and entirely artificial social constructs are built. Fear that fashion styles and demonstrations of “fiscal prowess” that can be achieved through “ownership” are interwoven with primitive “triggers”. Physical attributes which are regarded as heralding potentially greater success at reproduction (including appearance, exhibition of physical abilities and skills) while once critical to assuring the greatest likely potential for successful reproduction have been retained by human societies and re-sculpted into mechanisms aligned with consumption and prejudices.

Fear in and of itself, if limited to the stimulus/response equation of survival serves a useful purpose. Fear transformed into prejudice of that which is different or non-conforming to social mandates and expectations can serve as the source of great conflict.

 

[jimmoyer]

Fear, like any other emotion we have is often easily denigrated.

We often find many of our emotions to be time-wasters, inefficient, obstacles to our own advancement.

While this may be true in many instances, it still does not negate the need for fear, the need for anger.

These emotions have a useful positive side. Anger's side benefit is that it spurs us to action. Our job is to manipulate that action to a useful and beneficial action.

Fear is also an initiator.

 

[darkbeaver]

Fear, like any other emotion we have is often easily denigrated.

We often find many of our emotions to be time-wasters, inefficient, obstacles to our own advancement.

While this may be true in many instances, it still does not negate the need for fear, the need for anger.

These emotions have a useful positive side. Anger's side benefit is that it spurs us to action. Our job is to manipulate that action to a useful and beneficial action.

Fear is also an initiator.

Good Morning Uncle Jim.

 

[s_lone]

China,

Do you have a fear of fear?

 

[darkbeaver]

Religion and the doctrines credos and mysticism of “belief” were created to alleviate fear. An idea, a notion that death was the end, that all the challenges, opportunities, pleasures and yes, pain would end at death is the most primal fear. Physiologically speaking, fear is accompanied by often-dramatic changes in respiration, circulation and hormone balances within the organism experiencing fear. Sometimes these changes contribute to enhanced physical response to a fear inducing circumstance. The chances of escaping the situation that elicits fear are increased through higher levels of oxygenation in the blood, increased levels of hormones that catalyze fuel and oxygen, which can afford a briefly enhanced strength and sharpened sensory awareness.

Fear serves an evolutionary/biological purpose.

The experience of fear as emotion divorced from the immediate, i.e. fear of anticipated consequence or presumption of the potential denial of acceptance and reduction in status or ‘respect’ is the kind of fear that is most frequently transformed into anger and then into depression. Sensing danger (non-identifiable noises in the dark which can be interpreted as threatening), prudent caution in situations where physical proximity to fire or great height or sources of potential harm/death may exist is entirely different than the emotional kind of fear that presupposes consequences for particular attitudes or behaviours.

Failing to conform to social expectations particularly in the courting and mating rituals can lead to failure to bond or engender sexual response and thus encumber and frustrate the reproduction cycle. While socially acceptable formulas and rituals of dress and behavior exist among “civilized” people, the physical reproductive elements exist independent of these artificial mandates. At a primitive level, sexual reproduction does not rely on meeting these expectations and the complex interrelationship of elements and conditions which increase the potential success of the reproductive cycle are structures upon which social taboos and entirely artificial social constructs are built. Fear that fashion styles and demonstrations of “fiscal prowess” that can be achieved through “ownership” are interwoven with primitive “triggers”. Physical attributes which are regarded as heralding potentially greater success at reproduction (including appearance, exhibition of physical abilities and skills) while once critical to assuring the greatest likely potential for successful reproduction have been retained by human societies and re-sculpted into mechanisms aligned with consumption and prejudices.

Fear in and of itself, if limited to the stimulus/response equation of survival serves a useful purpose. Fear transformed into prejudice of that which is different or non-conforming to social mandates and expectations can serve as the source of great conflict.

Morning Mickeydb may I add a bit, thankyou, "Fear serves an evolutionary/biological purpose." So we have comodified fear and that's by no means a novelty is it? We have developed marketing and product delivery systems for the broad steering of the target markets of consumerism, based on fear because criticle thought is suppressed. Factual information was only briefly considered before it was totally replaced by the need for raw emotional marketing tools that shunted arround discrimination and consideration. So that was a big error from a standpoint of rational human developement and a big sucess from a standpoint of consumer ripoff. Capitalism must die. Have a nice afternoon.

 

[Outta here]

Thanks Zan, I need it that.

Most welcome - you'd do the same for me I'm sure :lol::lol::lol:

 

[Praxius]

Praxious - I can't help but respond to your comment, but I don't have time to really get into it this morning... however there is an interesting theory which says that all human thought, action, emotion is rooted in one of only two possible choices: love or fear - so the statement "I hate...." is not generally rooted in the 'love' side of the coin... nor is 'hate' considered a root emotion. Following that particular line of thought, I wonder if you would entertain the idea that 'hating a thing' could be considered a fear of something associated with that 'thing'... just a little thought to munch on ...

Well most things I hate are not actually a fear for me, as most of what I fear maybe the unknown. For example, if I hate sticking my finger in a light socket, it's not because I don't know what will happen, or if I'll live afterwards.... I already stuck my finiger in one several times in my youth, both on purpose and by accident. I know how it feels, I know what will happen, so it is no longer unknown.... I just hate the sensation and prefer not to go through it again.

I hate earwigs, because they are ugly little things, they have pinched me a few times, once in the ear lobe going through the woods. I have had a friend who had an earwig burrow into his ear and required surgery to remove it. After a few days I guess having one of those in your head can cause insanity due to the pain and constant sound.... so I know I hate them.

Love or Fear to me sounds like two things that do not directly link to one another 100%. To me those sound like perhaps the extreme ends of one spectrum. There are things which I do not love, nor do I hate/fear.... they just are/existing. The concept you mentioned is something I would classify under the Black/White concept, were something has to be either one thing or the other.

I no longer fear death, as I have my own understanding of what maybe to come. Even if it is not right, it's good enough to keep me going through the days.

 

[jimmoyer]

Buena manana, mi hermano, Darkbeaver !!!