The end of fear .

[china]

You cannot understand yourself according to Freud or Jung, or according to me. Other people’s theories have no importance whatever. It is of YOURSELF that you must ask the question, is fear to be divided into the conscious and subconscious? Or is there only fear which you translate into different forms? There is only one desire; there is only desire. You desire. The objects of desire change, but desire is always the same. So perhaps in the same way there is only fear. You are afraid of all sorts of things but there is only one fear

 

[darkbeaver]

darkbeaver ,




Yes darkbeaver ,there is also a physical fear but that is a response we have inherited from the animals. It is psychological fears that I'm concerned with here, for when we understand the deep-rooted psychological fears we will be able to meet the animal fears, whereas to be concerned with the animal fears first will never help us to understand the psychological fears.The first thing to ask ourselves then is what is fear and how does it arise? What do we mean by the word fear itself? I am asking myself what is fear not what I am afraid of..I lead a certain kind of life; I think in a certain pattern; I have certain beliefs and dogmas and I don't want those patterns of existence to be disturbed because I have my roots in them. I don't want them to be disturbed because the disturbance produces a state of unknowing and I dislike that. If I am torn away from everything I know and believe, I want to be reasonably certain of the state of things to which I am going. So the brain cells have created a pattern and those brain cells refuse to create another pattern which may be uncertain
The movement from certainty to uncertainty is what I call a ( psychological) fear.

We are animals China. Certainty or uncertainty,which do you suppose is more fear inspiring? Even there we tend to move to a balance.There is no division between the physical and the psycological. It is very difficult to isolate a human atribute and examine it with any hope of complete understanding, the isolated part depends on the whole to function.
Perhaps there is one aspect of fear that we have not considered here and that would be the fear load in this age of information, I believe that lots of work has been done in that field and there is lots of talk about some populations haveing reached near saturation of fear. Some of us fear for every part of the planet we become aware of and some of us only fear the more tangable personal things in our lives. What do you think about the connection between fear and empathy? Fear and charity? Fear and love? Fear and hate? I think fear is very important, remove it from the balance and what happens? Interesting thread China, your questions always invoke thought.

 

[MikeyDB]

You cannot understand yourself according to Freud or Jung, or according to me. Other people’s theories have no importance whatever. It is of YOURSELF that you must ask the question, is fear to be divided into the conscious and subconscious? Or is there only fear which you translate into different forms? There is only one desire; there is only desire. You desire. The objects of desire change, but desire is always the same. So perhaps in the same way there is only fear. You are afraid of all sorts of things but there is only one fear

Why are you so afraid that people won't see the world your way? What is your desire in this China?

Perhaps like those folk you mentioned, your notions are projections of your fear....

 

[jimmoyer]

You cannot understand yourself according to Freud or Jung, or according to me. Other people’s theories have no importance whatever. It is of YOURSELF that you must ask the question...
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Reading what others have thought, researched and studied about a subject can enhance your self-examination.

I'm sure you agree with that. Perhaps you mean to say that one should not worship or marry another's understanding without critical appraisal.

Jung, himself, agreed with your point, China. Jung mentioned that dream interpretation often depends if the subject feels it rings a bell.

 

[china]

MickeyDb MickeyDB.... Why are you so afraid that people won't see the world your way?_____________________________________________________________ China.....You cannot understand yourself according to Freud or Jung, OR ACCORDING TO ME ---I,m not afraid to say that ;but perhaps it you who is afraid to venture into yourself ...alone .__________________________________________________________________ MickeyDB..... What is your desire in this China? ______________________________________________________________________ China......My desire MickeyDB is that you stop twisting words and start to observe the material that you are reading ./p>

 

[china]

jimmoyer,

Reading what others have thought, researched and studied about a subject can enhance your self-examination.
I'm sure you agree with that.

No, I don't agree, jimmoyer.

 

[darkbeaver]

jimmoyer,

No, I don't agree, jimmoyer.

I believe that's peculiar China. That does not mean that I don't see the perspective you're cultivating. So in your self evaluation you try to isolate your findings from the gene pool to enhance your feelings of individuality. I used to be an individualist or the mysterious aloof island type but I found I could not in ernest separate from the wider inclusive human experiance in that I found it gave me definition that it's denial did not. Fear is a biggy though. What should be it's substitute when you have done with it? Is there a danger that when you have conquered all emotion you'll become a Hal 8000.

 

[china]

jimmoyer,

Quote: Reading what others have thought, researched and studied about a subject can enhance your self-examination.
I'm sure you agree with that.
China

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Quoting china jimmoyer,

No, I don't agree, jimmoye

I believe that's peculiar China. That does not mean that I don't see the perspective you're cultivating.

Dear darkbeaver,truly I,m not trying or am cultivating anything as much as I'm stating where and how I stand .

So in your self eval.uation you try to isolate your findings from the gene pool to enhance your feelings of individuality. I used to be an individualist or the mysterious aloof island type but I found I could not in ernest separate from the wider inclusive human experiance in that I found it gave me definition that it's denial did not.

There is no such thing as an individual darkbeaver ,trust me.


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QUOTE]Fear is a biggy though ..

You can make it as big as your brain desires it to be.

What should be it's substitute when you have done with it?

Obviously you don't try to understand what fear is ,and you are already looking for a substitution.

Is there a danger that when you have conquered all emotion you'll become a Hal 8000.

Why should I be fighting something that is not real.I'd be just acknowledging its "existence" . Just a pure observation and a realization puts an end to the problem.

 

[darkbeaver]

jimmoyer,

Quote: Reading what others have thought, researched and studied about a subject can enhance your self-examination.
I'm sure you agree with that.
China

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Quoting china jimmoyer,

No, I don't agree, jimmoye

Dear darkbeaver,truly I,m not trying or am cultivating anything as much as I'm stating where and how I stand .


There is no such thing as an individual darkbeaver ,trust me.


[You can make it as big as your brain desires it to be.
Obviously you don't try to understand what fear is ,and you are already looking for a substitution.

Why should I be fighting something that is not real.I'd be just acknowledging its existence . Just a pure observation and a realization puts an end to the problem.

Ok, but if fear does not exist then niether does love. I think we have a small difference of opinion. Thought is substantial China, meaning that it does exist, I read somewhere that the substantial requires thought or it cannot be substance. If we allow that then as you say fear does not exist and niether do we. There we are, free at last. But without fear/love what are we if anything at all?

 

[look3467]

In my opinion, fear is another word for respect.

In the case of animals, God gave them to respect mankind, or fear of mankind.

Gen 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.

There is also the case of mankind, that God gave to mankind the respect to Himself, or fear of God.

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Those two are the primary fears or respects, the rest, are fears generated by ourselves.

Take for example the civil authorities, having fear of them is not respecting them, for when one respects authority, fear is not present.

Knowing God and His love to us ward, casts out fear.

1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Peace>>>AJ

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