The Inner Narrative

[darkbeaver]

What to Hell are you smoking DB? This stuff is dynamite!

Tell me DB, how many minutes did it take you to write that? (Indicate years, months, days, hours, minutes and seconds please.)

But when you say it, it doesn't sound like Mummy. It doesn't even sound nice. And you are talking about the people who know what is good for my brain, so they know what is good for my soul as well.

Machine, "DB, thou dost protest too much. Wherefrom springs thy bitterness? Everything is not as it should be, never was, never will be, but you have the vote."

DB, "The problem as I see it is choice, the same benefit offered as proof of benevolence of the machine is in fact a mindphucking labrinth where the new mind gets lost and trapped for ever more."

Machine, "Vote Rhino."

Jim, "This requires, demands, screams for a new thread DB. This is way out there. Can you keep this up and make it consistant? or do we have to use Inner Dialogue Analysis on this stuff?"

DB.... DB? Earth to DB, come in please.

DB to earth. I am unable to spell and have little regard for grammer. I'll leave reifnement to you and the other mental hard cases here (that's complimentry by the way) it's a privilage to read the ideas of my superiors in these threads. I am a lucky man, the horse-shoe in me arse has worked again. It took very little time, you can see that easily enough. My bitterness springs from the bowles of a machine which I slaved in for a decade and a bit, there I was introduced to industrial psycology and the merit system and industrial engineering and the stopwatch. "Everything is not as it should be". That's true but it should read (everythings not even remotely close to what it should be) I'm not utopic jimshort I'm just not satisfied with our progress to date.

 

[MikeyDB]

My progress is fine thank you Beve!

 

[darkbeaver]

Beve....

Great contribution but (and I understand that we're talking...not blogging.. there's so much more to this idea....

I'd agree in a general sense with your postulates but there is in my mind no denying the price that we are all paying as neo-postmodernity dawns for the abandonment of moral and social frameworks that both enhanced and improved life for a very long time...and were the seeds of a retained bigotry and pseudo-dependency on the msysticism of "beliefs" as the magic silver bullet that would ultimately re-direct humankind back onto the pathway of his humanity.

I'd write more on these two points and thanks Beve for your astute input, but it would be a blog and not a conversation....

I dimly understand Mickey, uncle JimMoyer has pointed out the future we're being funneled into, Curiosity pointed out some time ago that she had great hopes for the super race via these same manipulations. I would not go to far down that road. I owe you and the others a great deal. You're rebuilding me with better parts.:lol:

 

[MikeyDB]

Speaking for myself Beve..you owe me nothing.

I've talked with many people about this idea for many years and I still maintain that anything ANYTHING of great value to the human race should and ought to be free.

What breathes life into that "machine" you're talking about is the compromise between our humanity and our greed. Why do people insist that it isn't "enough" to cover the costs of development and production when it comes to medicine and vaccines etc... It's because we put "profit" and "power" before the well being of our fellows. If I found a cure for AIDS or cancer or MS or any cruel malady, that cure would be free....

And no this isn't perhaps the "smart" way of looking at things but then I never pretended that I was a smart man.

 

[darkbeaver]

Speaking for myself Beve..you owe me nothing.

I've talked with many people about this idea for many years and I still maintain that anything ANYTHING of great value to the human race should and ought to be free.

What breathes life into that "machine" you're talking about is the compromise between our humanity and our greed. Why do people insist that it isn't "enough" to cover the costs of development and production when it comes to medicine and vaccines etc... It's because we put "profit" and "power" before the well being of our fellows. If I found a cure for AIDS or cancer or MS or any cruel malady, that cure would be free....

And no this isn't perhaps the "smart" way of looking at things but then I never pretended that I was a smart man.

I have not a shread of doubt that it would be very smart indeed, you can build a legion of allies with a gift that you can not buy with gold. The power of gifting, (further subject maybe)

 

[jimshort19]

Surely Not

Surely all of this raving is not belly-aching over capitalism!

Mikey, you write long sentences. Do they really make any sense? Sure, we all know that
neo-postmodernity dawns for the abandonment of moral and social frameworks, but that the seeds of a magic silver bullet is going to kill itself is pretty far out. On the whole, Big Mummy is easier to understand.

Mikey, do you really need more free stuff so bad that you resent having to pay for it? Or is it for the poor that you propose to do exactly what? Nationalise the pharaceutical companies? Evicerate the patent laws? Is this why the world is so messed up? Is it the pharmaceutical companies and lawyers pact, or is the problem more wide? What other industries are involved? Just the ones we really need as humans, you say, need to drop their prices to zero. Is everybody behind everything that is essential and good for humanity out to screw us over, or is it just a co-incidence, not a conspiracy?

 

[MikeyDB]

Tell you what Jimshort19

No more long sentences.

 

[darkbeaver]

If you look at capitalism it demands consolodation, monopolization, usery, destruction of competition, blatant lies (media marketing), and ever increasing accumulation even if it kills the host which it frequently does. From the beginning capitalism was designed as parasitic, it cannot preserve or enhance what it eats except accidentally. Logically it will congeal or metastize into a state unto itself which it's bleeding well doing while we sit here. The new world order will be the State of Capital, but they'll name it utopia which it bloody well will be for a banker.:lol:

 

[MikeyDB]

Yeah.

 

[darkbeaver]

I saw you recommeend brevity to Chuckman the other day Mickey, you're good at it.:smile:

 

[hermite]

I see your "yeah", and raise it an oh.

Oh, yeah.

Hey, that made as much sense to me as some of the other posts I've read on this thread. I do, though, admire and thank you all for speaking your mind here, in this thread. Great discussion!

 

[jimshort19]

Capitalism

All of the ills of capitalism preceded it in no good guise. Mikey rightly strives to improve the moral payback on our resources, allocating more to the poor. More.. cough, cough, money. And it just so happens that capitalism is the super resource that we have our way with by popular consent, to use to all manner of ends, good or ill, capitalism being a working tool designed by human nature in a material world to prosper and provide.

Will carbon credits work? If not, why not? Even so can such economic trade designs work on poverty? Where can capitalism not go? What can it not do, when the rules are obeyed?

And what is the point of resenting the moon and the sky? The moon and the sky are not for sale. There are free things, but men do not make them. One person said that nothing is free. Just nothing made by people anyway. The trading reality dominates how the waking hours are spent by our race. We can manipulate this reality, but the matter requires agreement on a pan-sovereign scale to be effective on world-wide problems.

Heaven is to be found at the negotiating table, somewhere in the tower of Babel.

 

[MikeyDB]

Absolutely.

 

[darkbeaver]

All of the ills of capitalism preceded it in no good guise. Mikey rightly strives to improve the moral payback on our resources, allocating more to the poor. More.. cough, cough, money. And it just so happens that capitalism is the super resource that we have our way with by popular consent, to use to all manner of ends, good or ill, capitalism being a working tool designed by human nature in a material world to prosper and provide.

Will carbon credits work? If not, why not? Even so can such economic trade designs work on poverty? Where can capitalism not go? What can it not do, when the rules are obeyed?

And what is the point of resenting the moon and the sky? The moon and the sky are not for sale. There are free things, but men do not make them. One person said that nothing is free. Just nothing made by people anyway. The trading reality dominates how the waking hours are spent by our race. We can manipulate this reality, but the matter requires agreement on a pan-sovereign scale to be effective on world-wide problems.

Heaven is to be found at the negotiating table, somewhere in the tower of Babel.

Natural capitalism is older than speaky/talky, ain't it. When the rules are obeyed?Jesus Jim you do not have a future in a boardroom. The rules aren't for the rulemakers thier for the employees/users/.

Capitalism is the super resource that we have our way with by popular consent?I got to meet your dealer. You must be smoking Mississhippy Mindphuck Jim.:lol:

 

[jimshort19]

The Name of that grass

This is a participatory democracy, we have representation. You and I do not make the rules, and neither does Conrad Black.

Many people say to me, "What are you smoking?" Their compliment is well earned, and welcome. I would recommend my gardening consultant to everyone but he didn't give me his card.

 

[darkbeaver]

This is a participatory democracy, we have representation. You and I do not make the rules, and neither does Conrad Black.

Many people say to me, "What are you smoking?" Their compliment is well earned, and welcome. I would recommend my gardening consultant to everyone but he didn't give me his card.

Technically this is a participatory democracy and technically we do have representation by whichever lawyer manages to con enough votes out of the stunned electorate. You and me are supposed to make the rules through the vehicle of democracy,but we both know it ain't exactly as advertised, batteries not included offer not applicable in Quebec, some settling may have occured in shipping, sold by weight not volumne. Take the present New Conservative Government (please) you can plainly see they are very large men for the most part with very large heads, one would think the weight of thier learned considerations would provide superb governace by virtue of great mass alone. The shocking truth is however is they are completely full of improperly processed gas which allows them to stretch thier hides to twice thier normal size completeing the illusion of competent benevolent enormity that is in reality not there.
These um gentelmen and ladies have spent the last forty years dismantling, destroying, and depleteing those self same regulations you recomend as a safety against corrupt practices and should you stand before them and deliver your platform they would begin to howl and bay for your blood very shortly thereafter you would be torn apart on the podium by the pack of rabid bloodsucking curs they in reality are.

yours in all sincerity DB Eaver I await your learned reply, remember we're a comedy troupe not those same rabid gut eating dogs.:smile:

 

[Nuggler]

Hey Nuggler....good to have yer input...

Consider: If I believe that it's my moral responsibility to tell the truth (as I know it) and telling that truth will being unpleasantness or emotional harm to someone is my telling the truth and being honest with myself and others more important than not hurting people or is lying to protect someones' feelings or someone's self-esteem or "self-image" reason enough to forego communicating honestly.....

What do I gain by entertaining the idea that there are things I don't know and things I have yet to learn if I'm to understand/make-sense-of and engage as participant in my community my friends my country my species.... Should I respect believe and "take as my own" these words from my teachers my parents the policeman my priest my doctor my brothers and sister, from people around me who I've been told I should respect trust and believe....or should I think for myself?

Is it more important to me to be who I am or is it more important to me to be the person that someone else expects me to be...to believe what authorities tell me without question simply because they're an adult or an authority figure of some kind.....If I'm disappointed in learning that the "truth" I've been told by many of these people really isn't the truth and they're either simply miniformed or ignorant, prejudied biased and bigoted in their beliefs and outlook on life what things about me will those who say they value me for who I am as a personare cause for them to be disappointed in who I am or what I say or what I believe....

I have duties and obligations to my family my friends my employer my neighbor....and what is their obligation and duty toward me....

The inner narrative goes on and on and while I'm just a simple man of limited knowledge and understanding, I have enjoyed a life as a white male in a society that demonstrates time and time again that a white male is more valuable than a black man or a woman or a foreigner of someone who doesn't believe what I believe and who is different in custom culture and perspective....where is the path that is the most important the most honest the most real throughout this experience of who I am in the midddle of all of these very often competing and oppositional attitudes beliefs and philosophies.....

Just a brief glimpse into one man's inner narrative....

Simple stuff for you Nuggler but damn tricky for me....

You're lucky my friend....

Au contraire, mon frer, very confusing for meself also. That's why I was askin the "creator" fer some guidance and he told me...........................First one he's answered.

Sorry, Mike, if I gave the impression I was dissin you, or being cavalier with your thread. Wasn't the case at all. Just being my own quasi humourous self.

My inner narrative gives me cause for pause from time to time too; generally though, I try and ignore it.

Sorry if you found it hurtful. Certainly wasn't the intention.

..........................You still on my "friend" list???


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[MikeyDB]

Friends!

 

[jimshort19]

DB, "... batteries not included offer not applicable in Quebec, some settling may have occured in shipping, sold by weight not volume..."

There are good reasons why. Batteries are simply not included in the price. The cashier can put them in your shopping bag. The offer is not applicable in Quebec, because it is applicable everywhere else and that is reason enough for a Differantiste. Some settling may not occur in shipping, but on planet Earth we generally have gravity. Product sold by weight because when you immerse the corn flakes to measure their volume, they get soggy.

You are a gifted cynic and a consumate whiner - a victim of the cold war. Your inner narrative is a rant. You are... Dark Beaver. But I mean that in a nice way.

Kill the people - save the stem cells! George and God should get aquainted.

 

[MikeyDB]

illuminating