did I say that?
what i'm saying is that people keep getting the idea that there are only two choices: to believe or not believe. This is a serious logical mistake and should be discouraged.
'I've seen proof of the afterlife'
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did I say that?
what i'm saying is that people keep getting the idea that there are only two choices: to believe or not believe. This is a serious logical mistake and should be discouraged.
I don't think you quite grasp just how irrational your beliefs are . You say that people like me will not believe short of seeing it . I tell you there really is nothing that will convince me directly . The things you speak of take place outside the domain of reason so you can't really expect me to site a reasonable source of evidence . How about just proving it's possible to survive ones own death . Everything you see hear and feel is processed through your brain , you want me and other reasonable people to accept that somehow you can still interact with the world when your brain is ground to dust ? I refuse to believe in something that doesn't even reach the level of being rationally baseless , it;s down right upsurd . You think it's an accident that more people hear scray sounds after you tell them that a place is haunted ? You think it's an accident that children see more of these things than adults ? I'am not a shrink and I really don't engage in pop psychology but it's safe to say the more you believe in this nonsense the more likely you are to see it , It's called the power of suggestion . Here is another question notice kids too young to understand a scary history sleep soundly in the night while there slightly older siblings wet the bed in fear of the big bad boogie man .
I really don't know whether to laugh or cry when a grown up tells me they believe in ghosts .
LOL that show was sooooo funny . He keeps probing people to say things then repeats what they say and they go "ohhhh"
You know I met a chaneler once . He was on campus and I've just had a really bad day so i was grouchy . This girl i know comes up to me and tells me about how amazing this guy is and the messages he gave her from her dead mother . So being the mean spirited person I am I stepped forward to be read . He talks a lot of rubbish then starts asking me some questions (For fun I answered his questions but not to his liking , my answers were short gave almost nothing and he got a lot of i'am not sures . I never lied to him but i gave him no info ) Lets just say that he was completely off the mark , worse still he place my family history a world away from where it happened and apparently i have dead relations with messages for me that i've never heard of .
Seriously it doesn't take a lot of intelligence or work to show these people for what they are charlatans .
Im not asking anyone to believe. But I do think it is ridiculous to think that ALL unnatural events are psychotic. Psychotic episodes don't explain why a glass flies across a room and breaks into a dozen pieces. Psychotic episodes don't explain metalic implants one suddenly finds in one's body (and that a doctor verifies). Psychotic episodes don't explain how one has specific information about future events.
While I would agree that the VAST MAJORITY of things that seem paranormal do have an explaination. Certainly psychology plays a role. But to flat out deny any possibility other than your belief system is tantamount to swearing the earth is flat. It's ok to admit there are some things we, as humans, just don't know.
While I would agree that the VAST MAJORITY of things that seem paranormal do have an explaination. Certainly psychology plays a role. But to flat out deny any possibility other than your belief system is tantamount to swearing the earth is flat. It's ok to admit there are some things we, as humans, just don't know.
Well I certainly cannot satisfactorily explain deja-vu. I only know it's a weird sensation and you're certain you've done/seen it before.
Or, when someone is thinking the same idea/thought as yourself and blurts it out just ahead of you. Coincidence? Who knows? 8O
Or, when someone is thinking the same idea/thought as yourself and blurts it out just ahead of you. Coincidence? Who knows? 8O
what I find interesting is how fearful 'devout rationality' can seem to me sometimes. Not being willing to let your mind rest on the irrational, unexplainable, unknown.... it can seem a bit like never being willing to jump into the deep end of the pool and take a risk.
I don't have a belief system .
Anything and everything is possible just because it is possible does not mean it is true . There are many things we cannot explain as of yet but that does not give you the right to explain away natural phenomenon with unnatural theories . The problem with these ideas is that they are not testable .
Unnatural theories? That's why it's called the Paranormal *grin*
They aren't testable with anything we've found so far. But that doesnt mean they don't exist or are simply tricks of the mind.
To use your analogy, just because it doesn't seem true at this moment doesn't make it impossible.
They aren't testable with anything we've found so far. But that doesnt mean they don't exist or are simply tricks of the mind.
To use your analogy, just because it doesn't seem true at this moment doesn't make it impossible.
I'am not a devout anything , notice the evoking of glass flying across rooms and doctor confirmed metal listening devices (No doubt part of a conspiracy between aliens and our half reptilian government) . I've explained this to you before karrie I cannot accept untestable , unproven , abstract theories like an afterlife and possessions without A) being a hypocryite believing in my irrational nonsense and rejecting other peoples .
Or
b) A person who believes in every mad and stupid idea that humanity has come up with .
Rationality is the best form of defense against such nonsense . Is it possible yes but like i said it is not direclty applicable to our world , one must first calculate the probability of and after life , then the odds of it taking place near here , the odds of dead people being motivated to come across ................. the math gets very very ugly it's not one giant leap but many small improbable steps that commute to a very tiny probability .It doesn't make sense on a whole multitude of plains /
Doesn't matter your still using a theory that is flawed for two reasons
1) Not testable (Yes by anything we've found so far i thought that was pretty self evident )
2) Can't be measured , repeated , observed or built upon any rational proof whatsoever .
Your free to believe what you want but i'll take a pass at general apathy towards reason in preference to my skepticism .
No, it doesnt make sense. That's why it is being studied. Sometimes by legitimate groups and individuals.
Nobody said anything about listening devices.
I do think it is very arrogant to dismiss what someone experienced. Just because it can't be made to happen again on demand doesn't mean it didnt in fact happen the first time. Or a dozen times for that matter.
I live on the 8th floor of a very solid highrise. I have personally witnessed a glass and pewter vessel lift off a table and smash against a wall over 8 feet away--at a spot higher than it rested on the table. I have seen that. I have the broken glass. According to you, Im either nuts or a liar.
Nobody said anything about listening devices.
I do think it is very arrogant to dismiss what someone experienced. Just because it can't be made to happen again on demand doesn't mean it didnt in fact happen the first time. Or a dozen times for that matter.
I live on the 8th floor of a very solid highrise. I have personally witnessed a glass and pewter vessel lift off a table and smash against a wall over 8 feet away--at a spot higher than it rested on the table. I have seen that. I have the broken glass. According to you, Im either nuts or a liar.
LOL you can call yourself what you want please don't put words in my mouth . You want to know what I really think of you ? your susceptible in other words you already believe . I don't claim to know you or understand your background but for some reason you believe in these things and hence you see them . It doesn't concern you at all that people like me can walk around haunted houses alone at night ( which i've done for curiosity ) and not see or hear a dam thing outside the normal ? Power of suggestion is not the be all end all of human mental analysis but it is a know fact susceptible people are far more likely to hear things go bump in the dark.
What I call myself is a Paranormal Researcher. Professionally. And Ive been in a few "haunted" places that don't have jack as well. But I also know what I have seen. I don't believe therefore I see. I see therefore I believe. Until proven otherwise.
I investigate hauntings on a daily basis. Nine times out of ten those "rattling chains" are squirrels in the attic. Blobs of light are usually reflections of car headlights catching mirrors, windows, or framed items under glass. Creaky noises usually ARE houses settling. That "woman screaming" out on Old Finch in Toronto? Peacocks at the zoo. Yes, 90+% of the time there is a rational explaination.
But sometimes there's not.
I investigate hauntings on a daily basis. Nine times out of ten those "rattling chains" are squirrels in the attic. Blobs of light are usually reflections of car headlights catching mirrors, windows, or framed items under glass. Creaky noises usually ARE houses settling. That "woman screaming" out on Old Finch in Toronto? Peacocks at the zoo. Yes, 90+% of the time there is a rational explaination.
But sometimes there's not.
I don't know if I've seen proof of an afterlife, but I have seen proof that it's not a space to fear entering.
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