Legalise all drugs, says police chief

[Sal]

Because Trying to make Heroin and Cocaine and all sorts of other drugs that could kill you very easily if you don't know what you are doing creates a liability for the government..

Why does it create a liablity for the government?

You can try and drink until you poison yourself but to do so, you have to know what it is you are doing and go to lengths to get there. Most people will simply pass out long before they poison themselves with alcohol. Not so injecting Heroin or Coke or Crack or what have you

So? *shrug* Are people so stupid that they will just blindly run out and stick a needle in their arm because it is now legal? Do you truly believe that the average individual needs to be protected from themself?
Why is it the job of society to protect someone esle from a choice they are perfectly capable of making for themself.

The current situation is creating a horrendous problem for society. Namely that of gangs and their criminal activity. Legalization would elimanate a huge problem not to mention create a whole new venue for tax collection. Why not educate people to make the correct choice instead of imposing some blind will on them.

Those who are going to do it, will do it regardless of the legality.

 

[gopher]

Legalization is not the issue --- decriminalization is.

The solution is to treat drug addiction as a disease, not a crime. This does not mean that society is eager to allow people to cause themselves harm. It just means that we will treat victims of this horror with compassion rather than in a punitive manner just as we do with alcohol addiction.

 

[Sal]

Legalization is not the issue --- decriminalization is.

The solution is to treat drug addiction as a disease, not a crime. This does not mean that society is eager to allow people to cause themselves harm. It just means that we will treat victims of this horror with compassion rather than in a punitive manner just as we do with alcohol addiction.

The article says "legalize"

One of Britain's most senior police officers is to call for all drugs – including heroin and cocaine – to be legalized and urges the Government to declare an end to the "failed" war on illegal narcotics.

And I am all for losing this paternalistic moralizing attitude that simply doesn't work anyway. The solution is to teach people that they are responsible for their actions. The solution is to teach people they need to grow up at a certain point and not expect the law, the government or anyone else to parent them.

I am eager for people to make their own decisions.

 

[eh1eh]

 

[Sal]

ew, I think I am high...

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Well niflmir I don't see where prsostitution and drugs are one and the same anything??/ Ceptin maybe in a police vice squad...i say totally legalise prostitution..out right...end of story.....

i laid the gauntlet down here....i read ...i see a lot of talk of deciminalization ......but no one has laid out in plain english how to deal with the fact these drugs haerion. cocaine, meth, are killers all round...you say niflmir

But even if I didn't disagree with the outcomes you project from use of certain drugs, I disagree that criminalizing these people has any reasonable basis. So granting for the moment that you are correct on the outcomes of drug use and taking it as established fact that criminalization has failed to prevent usage of those drugs [key assumption on my part, based on evidence of course ] continued criminalization is merely putting the economic power from the sales of such drugs out of the public eye and into the hands of criminal organizations.

my buddy turned blue in the lips and had a blue tinge to him....the lack of oxygen to his brain caused him to resemble a punch drunk....

coke is a scourge on the body of the constant user....meth well ...what can i say....

I actually don't feel like a criminal the fact i've done all three drugs....
i don't think people that use drugs are criminals either.....but what in the name of sanity are we gonna do.....
put it under the boy scouts of canada....

Our society is such that we don't have a solution to this....
so we go the criminal court root...which in Canada unless yer caught with ample amounts of this stuff you don't really go to prison on the first go in front of a judge.....unless he's a dick but thats another issue.....


what pray tell is the answer....
blah blah they are not criminals....
blah blah heroin kills

blah blah under current scheme the criminals make the money

Do you really want the government of Canada earning money from crack and heroin addicts....i mean wow.....is this the solution....

no one here offers any alternative except belly aching about the thin blah blahs i just wrote.....


but i say....get hard on the street like guilianni did in NYC
to hell with the big guy
make it impossible for the little guy to do it in the street...

bust all of them ...treat them in prison clean em up....spend the dough big dough there....make it so you can do this chit....hell you got holes all over your arm....your blood level says yer on heroin....bingo...forced clean up time.....the problem is we are half baked on this due top corruption....at the higher levels of our food chain...they don't have the will to really go for it......


i'm a little sick and tired reading this wimpout threads about drugs online in forums where no solutions ceptin it's all wrong the way it is....

Niflmir...what would you do if you had the power

anyone else...what would you actually do if you had the power
Can you actually type a plan for me ...dumb arse doc to read.....

 

[Sal]

Legalize it. Slap an age limit on it. Leave the police out of it. Make people responsible for themselves.

 

[mapleleafs67]

let the government sell it on the street with there own pimps and pimpettes.if they make money off someones death then too bad cause they already do it with alcohol and cigars.I betcha if america had no war on drugs then this wouldn't have been a problem and it would be sold in box stores everywhere in rural areas

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

What's the mooch thing anyway? I thought a mooch was someone like the guy who scams welfare when they don't relly need it. They are "mooching" off the system.

It's a very derogatory word used by old school carnies and was used in the beatnik coffe houses on Stanley street in Montreal during the late fifties and early 60's....

it is derived from moujik
use this...click on encyclopedia for more http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/MOUJIK

It was used like commies used petite bourgeoisie only less a class distinctinction and more a great unwashed sort of deal where even the rich can be mooches.....The guys i knew that taught me this were cynics beyond cynics but if you listened to them you got the idea you really don't want to be one....i actually looked up to someone very close online as one who saw this part of society, and who still i think can glimpse what i'm trying to point to...but nah...he's a mooch for he don't know about giving the mooch a break.....If ya don't have heart ya never get out!

in my twenties i coined the phrase moochaphobia...the feeling one gets when he gets moochy...lol....alas i think i've totally become a mooch for i break the cardinal rule everyday....i let the mooch aggrevate me....never let a mooch agravate you...i mean god he's a mooch for chrissakes....

 

[Tonington]

Do you really want the government of Canada earning money from crack and heroin addicts....i mean wow.....is this the solution....

I have no problem with the Government making money off this. The government is also who pays the money for the treatment of addicts.

What plan? What would be an ideal situation Doc? Are you asking for a plan to zero out problem use? It will never happen, never. How do we get people to eat proper portions and exercise regularly so as not to end up so obese that they have to work from home?

You want to make the problem a little better? It's called Harm reduction. Theres no question education has to be a part of the plan, but if you don't develop a vertical plan from the bottom up, you're doomed to fail. What are the issues that pose a common thread for chronic drug users? Poverty, lack of housing, and employment. What makes somebody turn to drugs when things go bad? I'm not sure, but once the spiral starts, it's very hard to crawl out from. It's hard to keep a residence when you're spending your money on drugs. It's hard to get a job when you have no home, and a drug problem. It's hard to climb out of poverty without a job or home as well as a drug problem.

Those issues have to be addressed. The health issues need to be addressed concurrent with the social issues. Most of all, you have to treat them as sick, not criminals. It's really the first step to take if you want to make the situation better.

 

[s243a]

Do you really want the government of Canada earning money from crack and heroin addicts....i mean wow.....is this the solution....

In my opinion it that is much better then the money going to organized crime. As for weather they earn money off it or not, they can put all that money back into addiction programs and drug education.

 

[s243a]

The War on Drugs rages, of course the real drug problem is the legal crap of which 75% doesn't work, those medicines that do work have an average effectiveness of below 20%. A great many diseases afflictions/conditions can be treated with opium and cannibis but niether drug is patentable.
And for all those waiting for a cure for something , get real, do you really think big pharma will pull the plug on cancer? A steady buying junkie is better than a former user ask any dealer. The capitalist pig dog pharmaseutical pushers are the drug problem.

Hey darkbeaver,
I bet you didn't expect me to give credence to anything you say . Well, I'm not entirely. If someone has medical problems like depression or anxiety's then medicine can help but doesn't always. These people will be driven to an escape from this condition be it a legal or illegal drug. Perhaps people should have more free rain to experiment with legal drugs and then maybe they'll find better alternatives.

 

[lone wolf]

what pray tell is the answer....
blah blah they are not criminals....
blah blah heroin kills


anyone else...what would you actually do if you had the power
Can you actually type a plan for me ...dumb arse doc to read.....

The only way you can deal with drugs at the abuser level is to have the ability to legislate stupidity ... and I seriously doubt that will ever be a possibility.

Wolf

 

[s243a]

ya see ..making it legal takes off the brakes for the average mooch...if that doesn't ring alarm bells ...well...without the big bad ole boogy man kids will just try it more and more....yes/no...lets stay real...


agreed the present state of affairs in dealing with "the abuse" ain't working....whats the solution...come now give me the real deal....ok it's a given it ain't working...you tell us the solution...


taps fingers for the last 5 years waiting for someone to gives us the solution instead of just knocking it.....

Doc you should confused .Weren't you the one complaining about meath propaganda in another thread? Anyway, the way to stop drug use is forced testing and death sentences to users. It would be a gross violation of rights and would make a lot of people looking for their fix miserable. Also a lot of people would face death because of a crime without victims. I do not believe their should be any victimless crimes. Well, there is another way to fix the problem I guess....We could try to figure out, what is wrong with our society that makes people feel that they should turn or need to turn to drugs?

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

I have no problem with the Government making money off this. The government is also who pays the money for the treatment of addicts.
weed is one thing but the others carry too much of a life ruining substance reality.....hell back in the last century amphetimines were legal..ya got them like aspirin....that went on for decades..it's in a bogart movie where he goes into a pharmacy for some....they realized the damage and took them of the shelf...Heroin cocaine were all available even by mail order for early farmers in the USA....by the twenties they realized this is not good for society

What plan? What would be an ideal situation Doc? Are you asking for a plan to zero out problem use? It will never happen, never. How do we get people to eat proper portions and exercise regularly so as not to end up so obese that they have to work from home?

Good point...but recently on larry king Eric Clapton talked of his addictions...he has been clean for 20 years...every morning he wakes and prays to God for stenght and said everyday he goes to a 12 step program...there already is help out there that works for those that want to be helped....legalising it in the name of more treatment is weak....making more addicts and more treatment centres .HELL DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THIS STUFF ACTUAL DOES TO YOU??? this ain't like playing with a tube of ungateen ointment ya know

You want to make the problem a little better? It's called Harm reduction. Theres no question education has to be a part of the plan, but if you don't develop a vertical plan from the bottom up, you're doomed to fail. What are the issues that pose a common thread for chronic drug users? Poverty, lack of housing, and employment.actually it is proven it is not so socio economic..come now ...ever see the wall streeters score in that park uhmmmm ...forget it's name.thonpson square???..hell there are doctors that shoot morphine ...no lie


What makes somebody turn to drugs when things go bad? I'm not sure, but once the spiral starts, it's very hard to crawl out from. It's hard to keep a residence when you're spending your money on drugs. It's hard to get a job when you have no home, and a drug problem. It's hard to climb out of poverty without a job or home.

so we are gonna make it legal so that while you destroy yer health you get to pay rent a little longer.....Dude do you realize how hard it is to hold down a job sniffing coke or shooting up heroin....i mean wow you want the local video guy nodding out on you?

Those issues have to be addressed. The health issues need to be addressed concurrent with the social issues. Most of all, you have to treat them as sick, not criminals. It's really the first step to take if you want to make the situation better.Nice words....by making this legal you mean...

so whats the plan tonington..legalize it and lets see.....

there is a reason it's ilegal dude...and if something is not to be done you get to go to jail...it's the only game...i say clean up the streets and put them in non criminal jails....sort of hospitols with bars....

I had a friend tell me a story when he was in Italy....
He talked about this place all the tourists had to go to get money from back home....this is pre ATM like we know it//// anyway the line ups were so big a wine and beer cart was pushed a round and you could have a beer or glass of wine...any way this guy was an alcoholic big time....and once he was picked up for drunken disorderly and was put in a hospitol to sleep it off...the next day he said he felt really like an arsehole for he had these nurses and doctors treating him like he was sick and they wnted to know what wrong......

tis all attitude....but hey we live in a country of wankers..hell right here on this forum people think weed is a panacea...

soTell me what do you want to do...you just said some nice stuff about the sickness of it...but how do you approach this..do you want this in stores Tonington?




ok

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

yeah well look at my reply on previous page to tonington...last post on page


lol im all worried you don't know how to surf....lol....this subject is a very real issue for me...hanging them for it is a little bit extreme...

 

[s243a]

so whats the plan tonington..legalize it and lets see.....

there is a reason it's ilegal dude...and if something is not to be done you get to go to jail...it's the only game...i say clean up the streets and put them in non criminal jails....sort of hospitols with bars....

I had a friend tell me a story when he was in Italy....
He talked about this place all the tourists had to go to get money from back home....this is pre ATM like we know it//// anyway the line ups were so big a wine and beer cart was pushed a round and you could have a beer or glass of wine...any way this guy was an alcoholic big time....and once he was picked up for drunken disorderly and was put in a hospitol to sleep it off...the next day he said he felt really like an arsehole for he had these nurses and doctors treating him like he was sick and they wnted to know what wrong......

tis all attitude....but hey we live in a country of wankers..hell right here on this forum people think weed is a panacea...

soTell me what do you want to do...you just said some nice stuff about the sickness of it...but how do you approach this..do you want this in stores Tonington?

ok

I don't think that would stop drug use but it would hide a lot of the sines of it. I wouldn't have to walk by a bunch of crack heads get something from a convince store after 12 on a weekday. We must though consider the civil liberties of the people being detained. Also who is the government to tell us what we can and cannot do with our bodies? Are we their property?

 

[s243a]

yeah well look at my reply on previous page to tonington...last post on page


lol im all worried you don't know how to surf....lol....this subject is a very real issue for me...hanging them for it is a little bit extreme...

I don't usually surf this site much. So I haven't read from that thread in a while. Anyway, I'll check it out.

 

[s243a]

yeah well look at my reply on previous page to tonington...last post on page


lol im all worried you don't know how to surf....lol....this subject is a very real issue for me...hanging them for it is a little bit extreme...

I swear I remember you posting in this thread:http://forums.canadiancontent.net/wreck-beach/67651-faces-meth.html?highlight=not+a+good+way+to+go

"What other factors are missing in these peoples lives, like maybe makeup?"

I can't seem to find it. Maybe you edited that post.

 

[s243a]

....this subject is a very real issue for me...hanging them for it is a little bit extreme...

Of course it is. That is how they do it in Singapour. Make it retroactive and watch your @ss. There is clearly a human cost for trying to legislate morality and I don't believe the ends justify the means. Laws should be designed to protect victims not to persecute people who have different values and lifestyles.