Reps. VS. Dems... Will it ever end?

talloola

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I think it's a vicious circle, and it is embarrassing to me to watch each election year, and in between as well, as they go at each other like children, totally bypassing the real issues and attacking one another
in other ways, trying to get the general public to favour 'them'.

It seems that it actually 'works', as the public constantly get sucked in, and the more insulting and
personal the attacks become, the more the 'media' and the public seem to be interested, SO, why
don't the regular citizens retaliate and refuse to watch or listen to that rubbish.

It's no different than advertising a 'product', as, if it doesn't sell from the advetising , they have to find a different way to display it, same should be for 'candidates', BUT it seems the people
want the smut etc etc, so on we go, business as usual.

I feel saddened and dissapointed at how low everyone has sunk in this respect, and I don't know
how it can be improved, 'I want no part of it'.

There should be a third party, so that the focus can shift, and maybe minds can be opened a little,
as, what they do at the present, is disgusting.
 

gopher

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Unfortunately, third parties have come and gone. As someone who votes indy, it is a shame that we have not been able to keep a strong third party to keep those two factions in line. A strong third party is what we need in the States to keep out of wars and policies that enrich the wealthy. Hopefully, someone will come up with the proper ideas to get one going.
 

JoeSchmoe

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How can you have a 3rd party when the entire system is geared to the 2 parties?

The two parties (like Canada's two "major" parties) are virtually the same. Bought and paid for with corporate dollars and special interest groups.
 

Unforgiven

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How can you have a 3rd party when the entire system is geared to the 2 parties?

The two parties (like Canada's two "major" parties) are virtually the same. Bought and paid for with corporate dollars and special interest groups.

Most are too stupid to care. Those who do, probably just want a turn in the trough but can't look like they have become the pigs they despise. Burn it all down I say.
 

earth_as_one

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The two party system is really a one party system. Its like flipping a coin where the choices are "Heads I win" or "Tails, you loose". The result is an illusion of choice where in fact none exists. The real power rests with our wealthy elite. Our system is really a plutocracy. The only time the majority has a say is when the wealthy elite are divided.
 

gopher

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Whenever I have logged on to the libertarian libertyforums.com web site, they often say that there really is no difference between the two; that, in fact, they are in a symbiotic relationship. On reflection, you may likely find that it often is true.
 

JoeSchmoe

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Please elaborate. Explain how it is GEARED for two parties. :smile:

In the USA: "ballot-access laws", "gerrymandering" are two prime examples. No, I am not going to explain what they are.... you've got google.

Georgia has a law that says to be on the Presidential ballot your party has to have gotten 20% of the popular vote in the USA or 20% of the vote for the governor of Georgia. How's that for being GEARED to a two-party system? :roll:
 

I think not

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In the USA: "ballot-access laws", "gerrymandering" are two prime examples. No, I am not going to explain what they are.... you've got google.

Right, I'll get right on Google to learn about my own electroral process.I don't require an explanation, but apparently you do. Ballot-Access Laws and Gerrymandering are in need of reform, but in now way does it prevent anyone from getting ona ballot. If anything gerrymandering increases support for the ruling party, it doesn't help the "second" party.

Georgia has a law that says to be on the Presidential ballot your party has to have gotten 20% of the popular vote in the USA or 20% of the vote for the governor of Georgia. How's that for being GEARED to a two-party system? :roll:

I'm not familiar with that law in Georgia. Linky?

And if my memory serves me correctly, which it does, there are independents both in the Senate and House, and not to mention independents have run for President.

No?
 

JoeSchmoe

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If anything gerrymandering increases support for the ruling party, it doesn't help the "second" party.

ummm.... yeah....? And the parties in power are...? (you may need google for this one)

And if my memory serves me correctly, which it does, there are independents both in the Senate and House, and not to mention independents have run for President.

Yes... How well have they done recently? In Georgia, no 3rd party candidates have been on the ballot since 1943. (see below)

Lots of "voter fairness" issues here:
http://www.ballot-access.org/


Georgia has one of the most restrictive ballot access regulations in the nation.
Georgia in 1943 required new party and independent candidates to submit a petition signed by 5% of the number of registered voters in order to get on the ballot for any office! Previously, any party could get on the ballot just by requesting it. (And all petition signers are subject to subpoena to determine if they actually signed.) Result: since 1943, zero third-party candidates have ever managed even to get on the ballot for a Georgia U.S. House of Representatives seat (in about 400 races total).​
 

Logic 7

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Unfortunately, third parties have come and gone. As someone who votes indy, it is a shame that we have not been able to keep a strong third party to keep those two factions in line. A strong third party is what we need in the States to keep out of wars and policies that enrich the wealthy. Hopefully, someone will come up with the proper ideas to get one going.


I understand what you mean, however in canada, they probably have 3 or 4 party, and they have the same problems as the americans, their policy enrich the wealthy , anyway it is always either the liberals or conservatives who gets in power.
 

Unforgiven

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When you're winning don't change strategies. And remember you don't have to win every battle to win the war. oink oink
 

I think not

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