Astronomy and the quran

[hermanntrude]

this is an even better diagram which sows that the two orbits don't coincide:

note that if you looked at the same system side-on you'd see crossing points, and also you'd see them if you looked down from above

 

[hermanntrude]

it also explains why we both thought pluto had a more wildly elliptical orbit than it does. When viewed from this oblique angle it looks a lot thinner than it is. viewed from above you can hardly tell it's elliptical... In fact it's quite circular, but off-centre and tilted

 

[homagetogorto]

"So, like, there was this guy who flunked out of kindergarten, but like he was totally smart and everything anyway, and like, well, HE says that the Rockies aren't mountains at all, but actually just really big hills! And like, well, Jesus did the sermon on the mount, right?, and a mount is just another kind of hill, right?, so like that TOTALLY proves that the bible is right! Creepy!"

My three-year old niece could piece together a better fairy tale than this Pluto nonsense.

 

[#juan]

it also explains why we both thought pluto had a more wildly elliptical orbit than it does. When viewed from this oblique angle it looks a lot thinner than it is. viewed from above you can hardly tell it's elliptical... In fact it's quite circular, but off-centre and tilted

You got it Herman. That diagram explains a lot of things. It would have been difficult to apply Kepler's orbital theories to the other diagram.

 

[eanassir]

Sinister, I mean: Sometimes our Moon is more closer to Sun than Earth is.
The Glorious Quran, being the last heavenly revealed book, includes a large number -more than what you think - with scientific implications. God Who revealed the Quran is the same Who created the universe.
See at our free website

http://universeandquran.741.com the following example:

"A miracle of the Quran: the authentic word of God :]​

"God - be exalted - said in the Quran, 39: 5
(خَلَقَ السّماواتِ و الأرْضَ بِالحَقِّ يُكَوِّرُ اللّيْلَ عَلى النّهارِ و يُكَوِّرُ النَّهارَ عَلَى اللّيْلِ و سَخَّرَ الشّمْسَ و القَمَرَ كُلٌّ يَجْرِي لأجَلٍ مُسَمّىً ألا هُوَ العَزِيزُ الغَفّارُ )
The explanation: ( He created the heavens and the earth with the true [promise]*; He makes the night spherical on the day, and makes the day spherical on the night; and He subjected the sun and the moon: each running on for an appointed term; surely, He is the All-Mighty, the All-Forgiving!)
[* i.e. with the true promise of destruction and ruining on Doomsday.]
The interpretation:
The word يُكَوِّرُ means: (makes spherical.)
Now, dear reader, look carefully to the eloquence and clear language of the Quran. Look carefully and think how the Glorious God has declared the sphericity of the Earth, its rotation around itself, the transferring of sunrays upon it and the formation of the day and night, by His saying -be exalted - يُكَوِّرُ اللّيْلَ عَلى النّهارِi.e. (He makes the night spherical on the day.)
The Glorious God said يُكَوِّرُ i.e. (makes spherical) because the earth is spherical in shape, so the sunrays will spread on half of the sphere so that the day will be on its lightened side, while the night will be in the dark side, then the sunrays will transfer to the other side because of the rotation of the Earth, so that the position of the night will become day, and the position of the day will become night. Therefore, the sunrays get a spherical shape around the Earth, and give it light and heat, and the day and night will result from that.
Then again look carefully, dear reader, to this word and think about its meaning. Can any human being be able to give a synonym of it? Or can he express in such [few] words all this information and knowledge?
This word, alone, suffices as a proof of the truthfulness of Mohammed –peace be on him – and a proof of the existence of a Creator for the universe; because the sphericity of the Earth was unknown to people until the present time[ the Quran was revealed more than 1400 years ago]"
Moreover, the process of the daylight formation occurs in the upper atmospheric layer; so that the daylight will take the spherical layer of the earth; but if you go to the outerspace you cannot see such process of the dispersion of the sunlight to form the daylight; but you will see the outerspace dark.
eanassir.

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[eanassir]

I am surprised why some have become angry and annoyed for the idea that Pluto is not a planet, but a moon of Neptune; as I said in a past comment: I apologize to such relatives and kindred of Pluto! But the truth should be said; and when this will proved later on, what will they say? I insist that they must then ridicule themselves publicly and admit they were wrong.
eanassir.

 

[YoungJoonKim]

I am surprised why some have become angry and annoyed for the idea that Pluto is not a planet, but a moon of Neptune; as I said in a past comment: I apologize to such relatives and kindred of Pluto! But the truth should be said; and when this will proved later on, what will they say? I insist that they must then ridicule themselves publicly and admit they were wrong.
eanassir.

Well..I don't know..
prove it now so we can believe?

 

[#juan]

I am surprised why some have become angry and annoyed for the idea that Pluto is not a planet, but a moon of Neptune; as I said in a past comment: I apologize to such relatives and kindred of Pluto! But the truth should be said; and when this will proved later on, what will they say? I insist that they must then ridicule themselves publicly and admit they were wrong.
eanassir.

The Quran,is no doubt an honourable book but we now have telescopes through which we can look at the planets and see what they are doing. One of the things Pluto is not doing, is orbiting Neptune. Pluto is clearly orbiting the sun.

 

[Niflmir]

But the truth should be said; and when this will proved later on, what will they say? I insist that they must then ridicule themselves publicly and admit they were wrong.
eanassir.

Ah, if only you were more aware of the irony of your words; you see we're having a lark here.

 

[eanassir]

hermanntrude, the particular features of Pluto: like its orbit, its direction of movement, its size, its supposed moon (Charon) which is compratively very large to be a moon of Pluto; all these findings and others; will they not let one think that it is mostly a moon of Neptue rather than a planet by itself ?

 

[eanassir]

hermanntrude, is there any rule for the planets away from the sun? I mean: are these planets arranged by their distances away from the sun; do they follow a certain rule? or are they haphazardly arranged in their orbits? And what cause a small object like Pluto to be away from the sun, and be in the neighborhood of another big one like Jupiter?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

The Glorious Quran, being the last heavenly revealed book, includes a large number -more than what you think - with scientific implications. God Who revealed the Quran is the same Who created the universe

Yeah, I've seen your free web site. It's full of nonsense, just like your posts here are. The Quran, whatever its merits, is not a science textbook, and trying to force the findings of science to fit what the Quran, or the Bible, or any other religious text, says is an exercise in folly. It will not produce any useful insights, it will in fact produce stupidities like the claim that Pluto is a moon of Neptune. Pluto doesn't orbit Neptune, the data clearly show it, you are simply and provably wrong in that claim. Religious belief is not a useful guide to cosmology. Or anything else, in my opinion. Your god is a human invention, just like every other god you've ever heard of, and has no reality outside the realm of ideas. Allah is no more real than Zeus. There are *no* heavenly revealed books, there are merely books that claim to be heavenly revealed without sufficient evidence to justify the claim. There are no gods, no demons, no tooth fairies, no Santa Claus, no supernatural beings of any sort, they're all products of human imagination and need. As long as you continue to view the cosmos through the filter of Islam, you will never understand it.

 

[eanassir]

Juan, the available telescopes are not capable of doing such a thing till now.
"The individual masses of Pluto and Charon are difficult to determine -- they're so small and far away that even HST has difficulty" http://www.nineplanets.org/pluto.html#charon
The Quran even tells us about the existence of life on Mars and some other planets, in the form of plant, animal and intelligent human beings who serve God, the One, the Creator, Who of necessity have sent them apostles out of themselves to teach them the commandments; they do not know about Moses, Jesus or Mohammed; but they know God Almighty Whom they may call by other names according to their languages.
They do not know that there will be a future meeting with the people of Mars; their rover is now roaming in the desert of Mars covered by sandstorms; they launched another spacecraft to search in the frozen regions of Mars!
See our free website [N.B. the site includes advertisements out of our control, so close such advert. and read the contents.]

http://universeandquran.741.com and click on:
An anticipated meeting between the inhabitants of Earth and the inhabitants of some other planets
The Traveling to Mars is successful

eanassir​

 

[eanassir]

Sinister,

 

[eanassir]

Sinister, you are not the first one in this twenty-first century; there were thousands of your alike in the early times of history. The atheism is not new one, so you are glad that you deny your Creator. But the Quran tells us that the disbeliever will bite his fingers after death, and wishes that he would have become dust as he claimed in his Worldly life; but he sees himself become a soul, like his body but ethereal, not material.
Now, you are being a clever Astronomer, tell us why the Earth rotate around its axis. In other words: we know that Earth rotates around its axis, but what makes it rotate around itself ? Consult your friends, the atheists, would they answer such a simple question?
eanassir.
http://universeandquran.741.com

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

The Quaran is obviously NOT a scientific textbook. Religious books like the Bible and the Quaran should not be used as a methodology for scientific discovery. And to use a specific example from it over and over and over again which is clearly 100% wrong shows either extreme ignorance or stupidity on your part. Pluto orbits the sun, not Neptune. Period.

 

[Unforgiven]

The Quaran is obviously NOT a scientific textbook. Religious books like the Bible and the Quaran should not be used as a methodology for scientific discovery. And to use a specific example from it over and over and over again which is clearly 100% wrong shows either extreme ignorance or stupidity on your part. Pluto orbits the sun, not Neptune. Period.

I think you're being a tad overly skeptical there Doug. :roll:

 

[DaSleeper]

The Glorious Quran, being the last heavenly revealed book,because the sphericity of the Earth was unknown to people until the present time the Quran was revealed more than 1400 years ago

That's what happens when you only read religious books...I learned a long time ago that "Eratosthenes" a Greek mathematician had accurately measured the circumference of the earth 4000 years ago....
See http://astrosun2.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses//astro201/eratosthenes.htm

 

[hermanntrude]

hermanntrude, is there any rule for the planets away from the sun? I mean: are these planets arranged by their distances away from the sun; do they follow a certain rule? or are they haphazardly arranged in their orbits? And what cause a small object like Pluto to be away from the sun, and be in the neighborhood of another big one like Jupiter?

There are no obvious rules. Jupiter is the largest of the outer planets and closest to the sun, followed saturn, which is much smaller but still enormous by our standards, then uranus and finally neptune. these are the true outer planets. After that what is left are basically objects from the Kuiper belt. Several of these have been given "dwarf planet" status, including pluto, eris, ceres, sedna and quaoar.

Many of these have elliptical, eccentric and tilted orbits. However, the only thing that could possibly make pluto a moon of neptune is if it orbited neptune. Which it does NOT.

You have repeatedly stated that Pluto orbits neptune, but it does not. This can be stated with scientific certainty, as its orbit has been plotted carefully since its discovery in 1930. It doesn't even come NEAR to neptune.

Possibly the reason you have been confused is that some people believe that Pluto was ONCE a moon of neptune, and escaped. This theory has been shown to be incredibly unlikely, however, since neptune's and pluto's orbits NEVER coincide.

 

[hermanntrude]

A quick note on your sources. The Quran seems to be an impressive book, and if your quotation from it is accurate, it shows the spherical nature of the earth from a time well before common belief accepted it, in which case I give it much praise and recognition for the accuracy of observations. However I can also see a point of inaccuracy in that it states that Pluto is a moon of Neptune, which is simply NOT true.