Is there a God ?

[Unforgiven]

In observing the moon in infinite detail consuming all of one's attention, one is in peril of missing out on all of this heavenly splendor.

Does that mean truth is on a need to know basis?

Unforgiven:

Unforgiven,
By your definition it would appear to be so.
If it is that, what you think is, then it becomes so in your belief so that you act within the constrants of a way. This isn't illusion because this in the doing becomes reality.
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China , Instead of asking who or what God is why not give your whole attention and awareness to what is? Then you will find the unknown, or rather it will come to you. If you understand what is the known, you will experience that extraordinary silence which is not induced, not enforced, that creative emptiness in which alone reality can enter. It cannot come to that which is becoming, which is striving; it can only come to that which is being, which understands what is. Then you will see that reality is not in the distance; the unknown is not far off; it is in what is. As the answer to a problem is in the problem, so reality is in what is; if we can understand it, then we shall know truth.

 

[china]

Unforgiven

In observing the moon in infinite detail consuming all of one's attention, one is in peril of missing out on all of this heavenly splendor.

Does that mean truth is on a need to know basis?

What you are describing, is a process of analyzing.When you analyze something ,you concentrate on some specific part;you are trying to understand that particular segment of the whole.But if you truly saw and understood "the whole" ,you would realize that there is no need for any analysis.
What I'm saying Unforgiven is that If you see and understand "this heavenly splendor; you will also understand the " the infinite details" of any planet-and you wont have to consume all of your attention observing the moon .

I don't understand your question regarding the truth.To me -Truth Is - from moment to moment-the Actual -always new .

 

[Unforgiven]

This isn't paradox?

I'll reconsider my previous question and see if there is a way I can rephrase it another way.

Unforgiven

What you are describing, is a process of analyzing.When you analyze something ,you concentrate on some specific part;you are trying to understand that particular segment of the whole.But if you truly saw and understood "the whole" ,you would realize that there is no need for any analysis.
What I'm saying Unforgiven is that If you see and understand "this heavenly splendor; you will also understand the " the infinite details" of any planet-and you wont have to consume all of your attention observing the moon .

I don't understand your question regarding the truth.To me -Truth Is - from moment to moment-the Actual -always new .

 

[AndyF]

china:

Yes, it is necessary. St. Augustine says he beleives so that he may understand. It's like someone asking you for the benefit of the doubt before he grants you information(grace). First he will allow you basics like intellect and allow you to wonder and contemplate, the rest you need to work for. He will implant the concept of a maker, and he will allow you all the benefits like being able to breathe and redicule him and live in a godless or humanly moral way.

As for me, I'm a coward at playing russion roulette. So I worship and strive for the grace of belief and hope he gives me more information to assist that belief through worship and doing what he expects. If I'm wrong it was just one more redundant act full of a life's worth of redundant acts having temporary effect and I will never know I did them anyway. If I'm right then at least I honoured my commitment and gave him recognition.

You people claim to be the epitomy of logic, but in this area you baffle me. :?:

AndyF

 

[china]

Hi Andy ,I think that to "believe" is nothing more but to avoid further investigations of "reality".
Obviously there is a great difference between believe in the self projection , and a sensitive awareness of What Is - the Actual , from moment to moment .

"So I worship and strive for the grace of belief and hope he gives me more information to assist that belief through worship and doing what he expects.
If I'm wrong" ???????????????____

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no problem; it means that St. Augustine was wrong ,that's just plain logic AndyF.
Love ,China

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

I am very much on God's to do list.
He's really big on porn and when he loses of track of time........whhhhooooaaaaaa nelly does He lose track of time!!!!
Have you ever had that rushy feeling with all the hairs standing up all over yer body and you don't know what happened....thats God jerking off!

 

[Unforgiven]

Yet another stupid and meaningless messages from the self proclaimed king of the internet trolls. Typical. :roll:

I am very much on God's to do list.
He's really big on porn and when he loses of track of time........whhhhooooaaaaaa nelly does He lose track of time!!!!
Have you ever had that rushy feeling with all the hairs standing up all over yer body and you don't know what happened....thats God jerking off!

 

[Unforgiven]

China,

As someone doesn't need to know how to build a car in order to drive it, truth is relative.

 

[china]

Unforgiven ,
As someone doesn't need to know how to build a car in order to drive it, truth is relative.

Not if the car broke down on the road, that's an absolute truth ;nothing relative about it ......if you know what I mean.

Is truth relative Unforgiven?.....explain .

 

[Unforgiven]

Not if the car broke down on the road, that's an absolute truth ;nothing relative about it ......if you know what I mean.

Is truth relative Unforgiven?.....explain .

Well then you aren't driving it, and calling for a repair person to fix things up. But I mean that you only need truth in what you need to know about. The truth in some thing that doesn't present itself to you in any form, at all throughout your life time, doesn't matter. So doesn't that mean that the truth is relative?

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

whenever dumf does philosphy it's always a fun ride.

Well then you aren't driving it, and calling for a repair person to fix things up. But I mean that you only need truth in what you need to know about. The truth in some thing that doesn't present itself to you in any form, at all throughout your life time, doesn't matter. So doesn't that mean that the truth is relative?

How can truth be relative?
Truth is factual.
Suffering is relative in so much as what is suffering to one person not necessarily is a suffering but a way of life for another.
Fear is relative in the same way.

Once you Impose relativeness on truth is taking away from the truth.

But ya gotta love a line like"But I mean that you only need truth in what you need to know about." Absolutly brilliant, a true marvel...we're not worthy ....

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Dumf writes:Yet another stupid and meaningless messages from the self proclaimed king of the internet trolls. Typical.

I am very much on God's to do list.
He's really big on porn and when he loses of track of time........whhhhooooaaaaaa nelly does He lose track of time!!!!
Have you ever had that rushy feeling with all the hairs standing up all over yer body and you don't know what happened....thats God jerking off!

You see some are going roar, some are going get angered...it's poifect.
God will just go "Oh that stuff again,where was the initial program that started all this".

 

[Curiosity]

Dear China there you go again!

I would answer quickly because I change my mind so often but as of this morning, my answer to you would be:

I would not like to contemplate a world wherein there was no deity nor guiding force within us. Whether we acknowledge the name, the creation, the dictates and laws, or ignore as best we can, I choose to believe there is an entity.

The name matters little. The acceptance guides me. Simply because it is inexplicable doesn't mean it doesn't exist... and nobody has come up with a better idea.

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Once you attach even the remotest human charateristic to God, yer done for, lost...IMHO

 

[Curiosity]

Doc

Simply worded and excellently offered. I liked that statement ... it rings true.

 

[MikeyDB]

God was created in man's image.

 

[Minority Observer84]

I'am an engineering student , I analyze things through the scientific method in other words if someone proposes theory F , that despite the lack of any scientific proof in all the literature about him , despite the fossil record and the fact that we KNOW this universe (In it's current form ) is 14 billion years old there is nevertheless a creator i ask right away what proof they have . I'am willing to believe in any theory should it meet two basic requirements :

1) seek to explain an effect or causality of something better than any other theory .
2) Have more proof determining that it is in fact more accurate than any other theory we have .

Clearly and for obvious reasons the theory of god or a creator for that matter does not measure up true it's possible but then so is the existence of unicorns if there is no conclusive truth the theory is false .

 

[MikeyDB]

Oh sure.....

Now we're going to let reason and fact interfere with our beliefs.....

 

[Dreadful Nonsense]

Oh sure.....

Now we're going to let reason and fact interfere with our beliefs.....

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dumf says truth is relative...what are your thoughts?

 

[Unforgiven]

Are you off your meds again?
I have to laugh at the way this baffoon casually tosses snide insults at people who believe in God or some deity. Yeah sure Diddles, if anyone knows the mind of God, it must be some jobless mooch, addicted to sex and trolling the Internet quoting lameass Buddah snippets stolen from else where.

And you honestly don't know why people laugh at you. :roll: heh heh

Dumf writes:Yet another stupid and meaningless messages from the self proclaimed king of the internet trolls. Typical.

You see some are going roar, some are going get angered...it's poifect.
God will just go "Oh that stuff again,where was the initial program that started all this".