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Canucklehead

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The Russians couldn't quell Afghanistan, what makes the U.S. think they can pull it off?

Let's get the hell out of there and let the nation of Afghanistan build itself according to it's own ways, in it's own time. Whether we agree or disagree with how they do things is irrelevant since it is not our country.

Our troops deserve better than this and should be doing worthwhile things like, oh, say, peacekeeping as opposed to peacemaking.
 
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BitWhys

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Regroup. Lock down Kabul and call Karzai to account so the places in between don't have to choose between evils any more.
 

Curiosity

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mabudon said:
PS I probably have WAY more fun on this site than you could possibly imagine, and I bet if you actually met me in person you might be able get a better notion of "who" I am, your odd internet "filter" seems to render you kinda clueless, "socially", your forum interactions seem limited to "Good boy" and "my how sad you are" and in person you'd find that I am not a platitude or a crappy greeting card but a fully multi-dimensional person (one who laughs a LOT, btw, just cos I use strong language and I'm quite articulate and not droppin talking points does NOT make me "angry" in the slightest)
I refuse to "thank" anyone for their deaths- do you "thank" people who are killed by drunk drivers?? That's how I feel every time this awful number comes up, "this should NOT happen". Period. :iconbiggrin::iconbiggrin::iconbiggrin::iconbiggrin::iconbiggrin::iconbiggrin::iconbiggrin::iconbiggrin::iconbiggrin::iconbiggrin:

I repeat mabudon - it just isn't all about you - never was. You are pretty one-dimensional and a simple sentence would probably cover all of it - whatever it is you are trying to impart. The smilies were a nice touch tho -
 

Fain

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One side lets girls go to school
One side doesn't

One side has elections and a democratic government
One side doesn't

One side focuses on military targets
One side attacks both military and civilians

One side would allow me to keep my religon
One side will beat the crap outta me for praying to "jesus"
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Get real people! It's clear which side we should support and which side we oppose.
 

Dox

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let the nation of Afghanistan build itself according to it's own ways, in it's own time.

What do you mean by "build itself"? I'm not nit-picking, I'm just ignorant of any improvements to Afghanistan while the Taliban was in power. I know certain farmers did alright for themselves, but I don't know about the country overall.
 

Just the Facts

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Yes, if it were a war, it could be won. It is not a war.......it is a stupid clusterf-ck that would be funny if we weren't losing so many good people. Think oil, think pipeline....

Yeah, cuz as an oil exporting nation, we really really need a pipeline through Afghanistan. :-?
 

Just the Facts

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It's not a war, it's a Harper kiss up and he doesn't care how many of our boys he has to kill to curry favour with the US puppet.

So, Chretien sent the troops to Afghanistan to please Harper? That was mighty noble of him to drop all his partisan Liberal affiliations to do a Conservative's bidding. We should all be so considerate of others.
 

BitWhys

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One side lets girls go to school
One side doesn't

One side has elections and a democratic government
One side doesn't

One side focuses on military targets
One side attacks both military and civilians

One side would allow me to keep my religon
One side will beat the crap outta me for praying to "jesus"
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Get real people! It's clear which side we should support and which side we oppose.

Talking about getting real, its nice to hear "we" can do no wrong. :roll:

If "we"'re supposed to be that Manechean about it "we" may as well advocate seizing the momentum and invading Saudi Arabia while we're at it. We're in the neighbourhood anyways. The Taliban are Wahhabi, after all.
 

BitWhys

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Yeah, cuz as an oil exporting nation, we really really need a pipeline through Afghanistan. :-?

We don't. The multinationals do, though. Guess who used to do consulting work for Chevron.

welcome to the 21st century.
 

Just the Facts

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Talking about getting real, its nice to hear "we" can do no wrong. :roll:

If "we"'re supposed to be that Manechean about it "we" may as well advocate seizing the momentum and invading Saudi Arabia while we're at it. We're in the neighbourhood anyways. The Taliban are Wahhabi, after all.

Now you're talking. I would say Pakistan is a bigger priority though. Maybe Musharraf will invite us...he's in a lot of hot water right now. If he gets overthrown and the Islamists come to power...which looks like a very real possibility...watch out. That would be BAD news.
 

BitWhys

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Now you're talking. I would say Pakistan is a bigger priority though. Maybe Musharraf will invite us...he's in a lot of hot water right now. If he gets overthrown and the Islamists come to power...which looks like a very real possibility...watch out. That would be BAD news.

If he does get overthrown it won't be for lack of US weaponry.

blowback is a bitch
 
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Honour our Fallen
I don't see it as our Fallen died in vain.
i'm scared.
I really think people want to end our way of life.
i'm not kidding, i actually think about this, and when stuff happens in Iraq everyday, and in britain , and spain , and america, and all this buisness about Taliban wanting to keep an important part of the planet in the dark ages at any cost....It friggin scares me more

I don't hear any other solutions here coming from words like "they died in vain"
Fukc no they died because it's a friggin plan of action....It's just a hell of a lot harder to do thatn our people thought....

I know i know oil opium blah blah.....but in the midst of all that the thought of Iraq rising up and Afghanistan as a free nation isn't such a bad thing...is it?
ok it's hard and we are losing way too many of our people to this ****.
What about the fukc ups that don't want iraq and afgahnistan to be free...

I mean really...are we all just bending to their propaganda?
 

Dox

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I mean really...are we all just bending to their propaganda?

Essentially, that's what seems to be happening. The Taliban lose when they go up against NATO troops. They only way they can inflict casualties seems to be with IEDs, and most of the IEDs are found, destroyed, or fail to kill troops. But those IEDs (understandably) don't make the news. The ones that succeed in their purpose make the news. A war can't be won with IEDs, but taking out a small number of soldiers with them WILL make news back in Canada and raise anti-war sentiment. They can't beat our troops. They can't drive them out of the country. What they CAN do is make the news and get the people at home to put pressure on the politicians to withdraw the troops.
 

Canucklehead

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What do you mean by "build itself"? I'm not nit-picking, I'm just ignorant of any improvements to Afghanistan while the Taliban was in power. I know certain farmers did alright for themselves, but I don't know about the country overall.


I believe in non-interference when it comes to the development of other countries and societies. Some of their practices can make our (western) blood boil but let's face it... They are not westerners nor do we westerners have the right to impose our idea of what constitutes a proper society on someone else's country.

Actually the farmers are doing better with their opium crops now that they did under the Taliban.... go figure, eh :/
 

Dox

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So Ugg, how many wars were you in theatre for?

I was actually more curious about my 'patriot lecture' he referred to. I think I slept through it. Maybe someone could give me the Reader's Digest version? Actually, nevermind. All good.
 

Fingertrouble

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I believe in non-interference when it comes to the development of other countries and societies. Some of their practices can make our (western) blood boil but let's face it... They are not westerners nor do we westerners have the right to impose our idea of what constitutes a proper society on someone else's country.

Actually the farmers are doing better with their opium crops now that they did under the Taliban.... go figure, eh :/

It may be "interfereing" to some people, but to many it is providing a level of security to the people of a country that have been suffering under a REGIME who persecuted many and allowed terrorist training camps. I would say that providing security that allows the Afgan people have their own elections (interfering would be US telling them who to vote for) and attempt to rebuild their country while get their children educated (GIRLS as well as boys) is not interfering.
These people may not have asked us to be there initially (remember that it was the Al Qaida and the Taliban that let them train that brought the armies of many countries to Afganistan (under a UN mandate also), but I believe that the world has done a much better job of post war rebuilding planning in Afganistan, than the US has done in Iraq.
When the initial war was one and the Taliban were routed and the Al Qaida base were destroyed, it was the worlds responsibility to stay and assist the Afgan people rebuild.
I believe that the issue is that we need to ensure more countries are prepared to make the sacrifices to assist the Afgan people. France and Germany should be ashamed that they tie the hands of their troops and only put them in certain areas...now that's playing political games...being able to say you are there (even if they are in areas that were originally controlled by the Northern Afgan forces that were fighting the Taliban before this even started and therefore the germans and french are hardly likely to run into any Taliban).