Hell
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I do not believe in the concept of hell whatsoever. The ideology that what we do in our lives will determine where we end up after death is medieval and serves to frighten the masses.
Retribution is delivered in life. We simply give hell other names.
Retribution is delivered in life. We simply give hell other names.
Let's not condemn this person as he does others, I for one like to forgive where possible, I don't want to see westmangey leave in a selfrighteous huff, I think he can be saved. Besides he's fun to play with.
Curiosity: "Retribution is delivered in life. We simply give hell other names."
If only that were true. But all too often evil prospers. And Thoreau's observation "most men live lives of quiet desperation" seems the ugly norm.
I'm not sure of Hell or Heaven but I am convinced man should not delegate to God. If evil is to be confronted successfully, ordinary men will have to do it.
If only that were true. But all too often evil prospers. And Thoreau's observation "most men live lives of quiet desperation" seems the ugly norm.
I'm not sure of Hell or Heaven but I am convinced man should not delegate to God. If evil is to be confronted successfully, ordinary men will have to do it.
I heard that it was in SW Manitoba."Hell" is simply the olde Latin spelling of "Ontario".....
"Let's not condemn this person as he does others, I for one like to forgive where possible, I don't want to see westmanguy leave in a self righteous huff, I think he can be saved"
Forgive yes forget never
Can time and life experiencee save someone ??
Forgive yes forget never
Can time and life experiencee save someone ??
Hell In Christianity and Islam, hell is fiery. Hells from other traditions, however, are sometimes cold and gloomy. Some hells are described in graphic and gruesome detail (for example, Hindu Naraka). Religions with a linear divine history often depict hell as endless (for example, see Hell in Christian beliefs). Religions with a cyclic history often depict hell as an intermediary period between incarnations (for example, see Chinese Di Yu). Punishment in hell typically corresponds to sins committed in life. Sometimes these distinctions are specific, with damned souls suffering for each wrong committed (see for example Plato's myth of Er), and sometimes they are general, with sinners being relegated to one or more chamber of hell or level of suffering (for example, Augustine of Hippo asserting that unbaptized infants suffer less in hell than unbaptized adults). In Islam and Christianity, however, faith and repentance play a larger role than actions in determining a soul's afterlife destiny.
Hells are often populated with demons, who torment the damned. Many are ruled by a death god, such as Nergal, the Hindu Yama, or some other dreadful supernatural figure (e.g. Satan).
In contrast to hells, other general types of afterlives are abodes of the dead and paradises. Abodes of the dead are neutral places for all the dead (for example, see sheol), rather than prisons of punishment for sinners. A paradise is a happy afterlife for some or all the dead (for example, see heaven).
Modern understandings of hell often depict it abstractly, as a state of loss rather than as fiery torture literally under the ground. Pope Benedict XVI affirmed in a Lenten homily on March 26, 2007 that the Roman Catholic Church and its loyal members retain belief in a literal Hell, a place that "really exists and is eternal".
Sounds like here on Earth !!!!
Hells are often populated with demons, who torment the damned. Many are ruled by a death god, such as Nergal, the Hindu Yama, or some other dreadful supernatural figure (e.g. Satan).
In contrast to hells, other general types of afterlives are abodes of the dead and paradises. Abodes of the dead are neutral places for all the dead (for example, see sheol), rather than prisons of punishment for sinners. A paradise is a happy afterlife for some or all the dead (for example, see heaven).
Modern understandings of hell often depict it abstractly, as a state of loss rather than as fiery torture literally under the ground. Pope Benedict XVI affirmed in a Lenten homily on March 26, 2007 that the Roman Catholic Church and its loyal members retain belief in a literal Hell, a place that "really exists and is eternal".
Sounds like here on Earth !!!!
Well it depends on what you mean by 'save'. If you mean can time and experience show a person that their perspective needs an adjustment, then I think the answer is yes. Sometimes one has to walk in the shoes of those they condemn in order to truley understand why it is not our place to judge others.
I actually believe that life finds a way to provide opportunities for us to release our judgements... ie, opportunities to walk in the shoes of those we judge. I fear for Westy... he's young, but if my beliefs are at all true, he has much 'experiencing' to wade through.
'but if my beliefs are at all true, he has much 'experiencing' to wade through.'
Going back to 10 -15 years ago and each of us were a bit different,I remember being shy to talk about how I felt about most subjects other than my work
At 24 I was a workaholic, done school and totally immersed in my Career,always upgrading my skills and spoke sometimes without thinking
Now ten years later I find I have to think first ,I care not to offend and trust so much less
One thing I remember is Things you have done descions you have made will always come back to haunt you or help you
I truly hope that life experience help ,and the perception changes
Going back to 10 -15 years ago and each of us were a bit different,I remember being shy to talk about how I felt about most subjects other than my work
At 24 I was a workaholic, done school and totally immersed in my Career,always upgrading my skills and spoke sometimes without thinking
Now ten years later I find I have to think first ,I care not to offend and trust so much less
One thing I remember is Things you have done descions you have made will always come back to haunt you or help you
I truly hope that life experience help ,and the perception changes
I think so, but in this example the subject may not have the luxury of time, certainly if he's as outspoken in the RW.
Tamarin
I believe evil or testing presents itself in our lives on a continuum and how we walk through it or past it or confront it or ignore it - is our choice - and our strength. I do not believe dying is the form in which we pay debt or whatever we have incurred in having life. Any more than we are 'owed' life by some phenom who exists in our hearts and minds.
I am grateful for my life - I am grateful for the teachings of an enlightened society, and I expect to walk through hell many times (as I already have), during my life.
What is important is how I emerge on the other side of my walk. I grow stronger each time.
When I looked, right above the thread titled "hell" was the one titled "400 series hwy at 80km/h"...which is probably pretty close to hell as well.
Those are the sort of odd thread occurences that the thread 'Home Brewing Designer Babies' is dedicated to.