Argument Algorithms !!

[darkbeaver]

Come forward Darkbeaver, out in to the sunshine.

Let me promote you to the poop deck.

Let us fish together for Cortexominous and Fuzzycretaceous.

You apparently have survived vigorous fishing expeditions.

You appear to be the bait of choice Jim, if I could help with some sort of giant hook I'm available.
We have hook and release in the wilds of new scotand which accounts for my continued contributions to the gene pool, maybe someday I'll be a big fish..

 

[jimmoyer]

I just don't do "formula" thinking very well.... Too much time on my hands maybe...but I tend to look at a very broad picture of existence...not the posit-reposte of "classical" argument...

Arguement with potential to proceed to positive outcome be that awareness or perspective advantage are useful....

Argument without growth is masturbation without the pay-off...
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Forumulas aren't the issue here, but rather recurring patterns of arguments.
Such arguments often used on a variety of issues have false premises.



As to whether we can actually change each others' minds and proceed in Hegelian
fashion between a thesis and anti-thesis to a new synthesis is a whole other issue.

 

[El Barto]

Fuzzy is very very sensitive.

Her forbears came from the original rock-throwing group called the Furies out of Ancient Greece.

She'll spank you El Barto.

If she feels like it.

And now another word from our sponsors of falacious argument styles:

This method is called THE RHYME.

Pigeon holing only weak disconnected thoughts to fit the confining hole of a rhyme
often has no merit, but appears sparkly and witty to the ignorant masses.

Is that possible ? I've tried hard to get spanked but to no avail.
I've gotten so many promises but no one ever delivers.
I am really really bad and I do deserve it. yeah baby yeah :laughing7:

 

[darkbeaver]

Is that possible ? I've tried hard to get spanked but to no avail.
I've gotten so many promises but no one ever delivers.
I am really really bad and I do deserve it. yeah baby yeah :laughing7:

She'll use the cat-o-nine tails Elbarto, the pleasure of Fuzzy on your end may be your end.:wave:

 

[El Barto]

ROTFLMFAO:laughing7:

 

[fuzzylogix]

She'll use the cat-o-nine tails Elbarto, the pleasure of Fuzzy on your end may be your end.:wave:

Actually, I prefer the mace and flail.

 

[El Barto]

OUCH cold shower time

 

[fuzzylogix]

Need your back scrubbed...............

 

[fuzzylogix]

Raw????????

 

[El Barto]

do you have to ask

 

[El Barto]

I think your looking for another cold shower again

 

[fuzzylogix]

Well, that was a titillating reply!

 

[El Barto]

What no one pick you up yet? you shouldn't use the cooking oil on you body so much, someone might eventually get a grip.

 

[jimmoyer]

What no one pick you up yet? you shouldn't use the cooking oil on you body so much, someone might eventually get a grip.
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Is that directed at FuzzyLogic ?

 

[El Barto]

What no one pick you up yet? you shouldn't use the cooking oil on you body so much, someone might eventually get a grip.
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Is that directed at FuzzyLogic ?

YES IT WAS

 

[jimmoyer]

Another recap of argument fallacies
you often see on any subject:


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1. The case of the NOW. The present is treated as an island unrelated to what might have been or what was avoided. Not comparing what you have now with
what might have been avoided is a bad habit to develop.

2. The Case of the Good Cause. This too is treated as an island unrelated to all the other good causes that compete for our attention. And so prioritizing is often demonized. Children don't have the perspective to prioritize, but adults must, in this world of finite resources.

3. If you fix one problem YOU MUST FIX ALL THE OTHERS TOO.
For example if you go after one dictator then why are you leaving other dictators alone ?
Do all of them or none of them. This doesn't work in disease fighting. Or does it?
If you attack one disease then it is unfair to all those other people with different diseases not to get the same attention.

4. Lack of a rebuttal is proof of a good argument.
You often see someone patting themselves on the back because they think they stumped
you because you didn't come back with a challenging rebuttal. You'll see that person takes
lack of a rebuttal as proof positive of their own argument. Instead of putting the
burden on themselves to verify the truth, they put that burden on their opposition.

5. You could only possibly think that if you were ignorant of the facts.
How many times have you seen that argument ? I have often seen many people armed with the facts and totally mis-interpret them or get the wrong conclusions.


6. FALLACY OF COMPOSISTION
Take the far left or far right and make that to represent
the whole group.

A related example especially on characterizing a whole nation in agreement with its own leader:

There are more people here against Bush than constitutes the entire population of Canada.

There are some 34 million Canadians total NOW, including by obvious inference, non-voters.

Here's how many voted against Bush in 2000 - 50,999,897and 2004 : 57,355,978.
That's just voters alone !!!

Here's where sheer numbers are very important in fighting prejudice that prefers percentages to make their case that Americans are blind sheep following their imperialist rulers. Screw percentages. That sheer size number should put a dent in the zeitgeist prejudice.

But, the zeitgeist of prejudice demands percentages to be used instead of sheer numbers to fortify the existing prejudice