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look3467

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Typical that you would misquote the Scriptures.You neglected to mention the part about the husband submitting also to the wife:) Both must submit one to the another in the Sacrament of Matrimony.

Brother, I was addressing the position of the wife, not the husband. And yes, the husband is also included.
All one has to do it read that portion of scripture detailing that.

And of course, I mis quote the bible allot. Sorry you don't see things the way I do. Perhaps some day you will.
I still love you as a brother though. You not understanding me changes not anything.

The marriage is the spirit and the flesh originally, than the order thereafter was submission. The weaker vessel (Flesh) [Eve]submits to the stronger (Spirit of God)[Adam] spirit.

God has given each one of us, whether male or female His spirit of submission.
The order is: The Father, Jesus, Adam, Eve, children on the spiritual end.
On the physical end is: Husband, wife, and children.
On the political end: Kings, government, rulers, masters and servants.
Those are detailed out in scripture.


Christ is Head of them all!

Can we understand that without getting confused?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

look3467

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Iiiy Yiiiiiiii Yiiiiii - what an awful word this "submit" is when used in context of a marriage... and yes I am taking about couple-dom not adultery (which keeps being mentioned)....and what is missing is the major word "love".

submit


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  1. <LI class=yedthesauruslist>To conform to the will or judgment of another, especially out of respect or courtesy: bow 1, defer 2, yield. [FONT=arial,sans-serif][SIZE=-1]Idioms: [/SIZE][/FONT]give ground, give way. See precede, resist
  2. To give in from or as if from a gradual loss of strength: bow 1, buckle, capitulate, succumb, surrender, yield. Informal: fold. See resist
SUBMIT? Even the first three letters are offensive.....

What's wrong with "share" "show love" "complement each other" "create together" ?????

Love is the key to submission. Think about it!
Submitting to your husband is submitting to Christ first.

Paul said: Phi 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

The love for Christ is love of His commandments.
Why should I love my enemies? Because first I love Christ!

Peace>>>AJ:love9:


 

look3467

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Thanks Sanctus, this is what I have always believed. Thank God my husband is also a person who believes the same or our marriage would not have lasted this long.

That is a good witness of the love of Christ in you both! Let the world see first hand the unity of your spirits as reflected in your marriage as a witness to our Lord Jesus love for us.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

marygaspe

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Mary, think! I am not against what you think I am. Yes, God has created both male and female Adam. Why think the rib is mentioned? The rib represents the same level as Adam.

Let me x you a question? The word image. How many ways can that word be used?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

The rib is a myth. No one actually believes that it actually happened. This thread is Catholic Discussion. Why do you keep inserting un-Catholic teachings into it?
 

look3467

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And this does not trouble you, to misquote the Bible as it suits you? Why can you not see the error to such thinking?

I don't admit to that, that is your perception of me.

What are you afraid of? Are you not sound in your beliefs? Nothing shoud destabilize you if you are!

Nothing bothers me, since I am grounded in the word. Jesus Christ my foundation.

Apart from Him, there is nothing else!

Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Col 1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

It's right there in your bible. Read it!

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look3467

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The rib is a myth. No one actually believes that it actually happened. This thread is Catholic Discussion. Why do you keep inserting un-Catholic teachings into it?

Ahhhhh! You see that? Good! Now you are begining to see things others can't see! The spiritual message of the word of God.

Why do you keep inserting un-Catholic teachings into it?

But its not anti-Catholic, only you think it so. It is an explanation of what is the real message of the story.
Rib=equality of the sexes in spirit.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

marygaspe

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I don't admit to that, that is your perception of me.



Peace>>>AJ:love9:


My goodness! You're actually lying! You most certainly did write that you mis-quoted the Bible!

Originally Posted by look3467

And of course, I mis quote the bible allot.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

look3467

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My goodness! You're actually lying! You most certainly did write that you mis-quoted the Bible!

Originally Posted by look3467

And of course, I mis quote the bible allot.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:

I said it because I was told that by someone else and you took it as if I had deliberately said it to my own demise.
Try looking at the post of the person which actually said it.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:
 

sanctus

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Well not quite sanctus but it does go back to the year 33. But then so does the Assyrian church of the east which practices some quite different beliefs, including the quite sensible belief that God was not born of Mary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Church_of_the_East Just because the catholic hung onto the name, which incidentallly came later, doesn't mean that it is the only original church.

And of course the catholic church has made numerous changes to it's dogma over the years and will probably soon make some more changes as it needs to keep up with the times.

The church founded by Christ Himself is the Catholic Church. that is both historically accurate and accurate as far as the Church itself is concerned.

The Church has not changed its dogmas one iota since that time. Please indicate what core doctrine of the Church do you believe has changed since its inception?
 

sanctus

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AJ- It certainly is dogmatic of the catholics to claim that they are right and all other religions are wrong. They won't get away with much longer as all religion fragment and the catholic church declines in numbers. They will soon make peace with the other religions in order to augment their vanishing congregations.

Vanishing? You're joking right? Don't fall victim to believing anti-Catholic propaganda. Membership is starting to increase again and vocations to the priesthood are also on the rise. As Mary already indicated, with over 1 and half billion current members, we are not in danger of needing to accomodate to other religions to sustain our ability to preach and practice the Gospel.:)
 

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hey, so this is like the thread for catholic things, right? i have what might seem like a stupid question.what exactly is the correct address for a bishop, cardinal, etc.?
 

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okay, sorry guys, another question im confused about...is mary the mediatrix of all graces?
this is what i learned in my rcia class the other day and it sort of confuses me. not sure really what it means. can someone explain this to me. sanctus would be cool to do so!

 

sanctus

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okay, sorry guys, another question im confused about...is mary the mediatrix of all graces?

this is what i learned in my rcia class the other day and it sort of confuses me. not sure really what it means. can someone explain this to me. sanctus would be cool to do so!
Closely related to the Catholic teaching on Mary's cooperation in the redemption is the teaching that, through and under her Son, she is Mediatrix of all graces. The term Mediatrix in itself could refer to either the objective redemption (the once-for-all earning a title to grace for all men), to the subjective redemption (the distribution of this grace to individual men), or to both. It is most usual to use it to refer only to subjective redemption, i.e. , the process of giving out the fruits of the objective redemption, throughout all centuries. To begin, one can say without doubt that the title "Mediatrix" is justified, and applies to all graces for certain, by her cooperation in acquiring all graces on Calvary.
The Second Vatican Council (Lumen gentium ## 61-62), said:
... in suffering with Him as He died on the cross, she cooperated in the work of the Saviour, in an altogether singular way, by obedience, faith, hope, and burning love, to restore supernatural life to souls. As a result she is our Mother in the order of grace.
This motherhood of Mary in the economy of grace lasts without interruption, from the consent which she gave in faith at the annunciation, and which she unhesitatingly bore with under the cross, even to the perpetual consummation of all the elect. For after being assumed into heaven, she has not put aside this saving function, but by her manifold intercession, she continues to win the gifts of eternal salvation for us. By her motherly love, she takes care of the brothers of her Son who are still in pilgrimage and in dangers and difficulties, until they be led through to the happy fatherland. For this reason, the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adiutrix, and Mediatrix. This however it to be so understood that it takes nothing away, or adds nothing to the dignity and efficacy of Christ the one Mediator. For no creature can ever be put on the same level with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer...."
Notice that Vatican II did not add the words "of all graces." However, as many papal texts point out, Mary's role in dispensation flows logically from her role in acquiring all graces. Further, the Council itself added a note on the above passage, in which it refers us to the texts of Leo XIII, Adiutricem populi, St. Pius X, Ad diem illum, Pius XI, Miserentissimus Redemptor, and Pius XII, Radiomessage to Fatima.
Leo XIII, in the text referred to, spoke of her, as we saw above, as having "practically limitless power." St. Pius X said she was the "dispensatrix of all the gifts, and is the "neck" connecting the Head of the Mystical Body to the Members. But all power flows through the neck. Pius XII said "Her kingdom is as vast as that of her Son and God, since nothing is excluded from her dominion." These and many other texts speak in varied ways of Mary as Mediatrix of all graces, so often that the teaching has become infallible.
 

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hey, so this is like the thread for catholic things, right? i have what might seem like a stupid question.what exactly is the correct address for a bishop, cardinal, etc.?
Bishops and archbishops are "Excellency" or "Your Excellency." Cardinals are "Eminence" or "Your Eminence." You can also call any of the above by their title and last name (e.g., "Bishop/Archbishop/Cardinal Jones"). The Pope is "Holy Father" or "Your Holiness."

As for "Your Grace," that is used for an Anglican archbishop. It is not commonly used for Roman Catholic prelates.
 

mapleleafgirl

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Closely related to the Catholic teaching on Mary's cooperation in the redemption is the teaching that, through and under her Son, she is Mediatrix of all graces. The term Mediatrix in itself could refer to either the objective redemption (the once-for-all earning a title to grace for all men), to the subjective redemption (the distribution of this grace to individual men), or to both. It is most usual to use it to refer only to subjective redemption, i.e. , the process of giving out the fruits of the objective redemption, throughout all centuries. To begin, one can say without doubt that the title "Mediatrix" is justified, and applies to all graces for certain, by her cooperation in acquiring all graces on Calvary.
The Second Vatican Council (Lumen gentium ## 61-62), said:
... in suffering with Him as He died on the cross, she cooperated in the work of the Saviour, in an altogether singular way, by obedience, faith, hope, and burning love, to restore supernatural life to souls. As a result she is our Mother in the order of grace.
This motherhood of Mary in the economy of grace lasts without interruption, from the consent which she gave in faith at the annunciation, and which she unhesitatingly bore with under the cross, even to the perpetual consummation of all the elect. For after being assumed into heaven, she has not put aside this saving function, but by her manifold intercession, she continues to win the gifts of eternal salvation for us. By her motherly love, she takes care of the brothers of her Son who are still in pilgrimage and in dangers and difficulties, until they be led through to the happy fatherland. For this reason, the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adiutrix, and Mediatrix. This however it to be so understood that it takes nothing away, or adds nothing to the dignity and efficacy of Christ the one Mediator. For no creature can ever be put on the same level with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer...."
Notice that Vatican II did not add the words "of all graces." However, as many papal texts point out, Mary's role in dispensation flows logically from her role in acquiring all graces. Further, the Council itself added a note on the above passage, in which it refers us to the texts of Leo XIII, Adiutricem populi, St. Pius X, Ad diem illum, Pius XI, Miserentissimus Redemptor, and Pius XII, Radiomessage to Fatima.
Leo XIII, in the text referred to, spoke of her, as we saw above, as having "practically limitless power." St. Pius X said she was the "dispensatrix of all the gifts, and is the "neck" connecting the Head of the Mystical Body to the Members. But all power flows through the neck. Pius XII said "Her kingdom is as vast as that of her Son and God, since nothing is excluded from her dominion." These and many other texts speak in varied ways of Mary as Mediatrix of all graces, so often that the teaching has become infallible.

thanks sanctus. mary is a whole subject all by itself, eh? right now im learning how to say a rosary properly. there is this nice old nun in our parish and she is teaching it to me. shes like 700 years old or something and still wears all the nun stuff. nice lady./
 

mapleleafgirl

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The traditional Lenten Fast. Fast according to Church rules all days of Lent except Sundays and Solemnities. Two meals a day, dinner and supper. Meat or fish at dinner only. Abstain on Friday. (Also Monday, Wednesday, and Saturday as part of a seperate rule of life.) Non-fat Milk and juices as needed to prevent weakness.

by saying to abstain. does that mean like on fridays catholics are supposed to fast all day? are there fasting rules???