Evolution Debate ...
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I think when it comes to religion, of any domination, be it Cathlic, protestant, Orthadox, Shi'a, Sunni, Wahabbi, Jewdism, Hinduism or whatever, you are, it should be a personal belief, one which you as an individul has in this modern society. You live your life how you feel religion has told you to and leave it to you the individul to follow. Thats in your private life. In puplic life religion shouldn't matter as much. If you are a religous scholer you would see most of the religions praise the individual who is pius in private away from earthly benfits he may receive if he is seen by the puplic as being pius.
Thus in this debate of evolution vs creation. We should in our puplic lifes teach creation, or the most recent scientific theories and in home, or in religous classes teach creationism.
Both sides have a right to exist.
Thus in this debate of evolution vs creation. We should in our puplic lifes teach creation, or the most recent scientific theories and in home, or in religous classes teach creationism.
Both sides have a right to exist.
I agree both opinions have the right to exist...but it is where they are taught that is at issue. Evolution should be taught in a science class. Creationism should be taught in philosophy....along with many of the world religions. Teaching creationism in science is akin to teaching quantum physics in phys ed.
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........the "education" must be academic oriented , and not to preach or convert. Information only.
I agree too.......that whatever one's beliefs in this arena are.......they should be personal. no two "christians" (for eg. ) are the same or follow the same path.(and nor should they be. They are individuals who are not carved out of the same mold).... so it is a very personal matter and should be so. Preaching or converting others ....or condemning others who differ from one is totally out of place, out of bounds and down right rude.
If one is determined to "sell" .......then be a used car saleman......but keep beliefs out of that range.
Concur on that..zenfisher said:
........the "education" must be academic oriented , and not to preach or convert. Information only.
I agree too.......that whatever one's beliefs in this arena are.......they should be personal. no two "christians" (for eg. ) are the same or follow the same path.(and nor should they be. They are individuals who are not carved out of the same mold).... so it is a very personal matter and should be so. Preaching or converting others ....or condemning others who differ from one is totally out of place, out of bounds and down right rude.
If one is determined to "sell" .......then be a used car saleman......but keep beliefs out of that range.
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I think thats what I was more less getting to in my statement.
But yes Creationism is a Philosophy and I have no problem with it being taught in a philosophy class or one which teaches about world religion or christin religion.
I remember back in High School I took a few classes based on world religion and I found them very entertaining. It never changed my beliefs in science and evolution, it just changes your morality perhaps.
zenfisher said:
I think thats what I was more less getting to in my statement.
But yes Creationism is a Philosophy and I have no problem with it being taught in a philosophy class or one which teaches about world religion or christin religion.
I remember back in High School I took a few classes based on world religion and I found them very entertaining. It never changed my beliefs in science and evolution, it just changes your morality perhaps.
Or to appease everyone we could just cut out biology in our high schools. Its ok north america already has a shockingly poor education system, the rest of the world won't notice a thing.
Re-read the quote below...
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/108664
Why not just let science teachers teach science the way they believe is best? Surely even the most fervent critics of evolution would admit that Darwin's theory makes a mighty handy way to organize biology classes — from the study of simpler to more complex organisms.
Then there are those separate but equally intolerant champions of evolution whose antennae go up in alarm at the slightest show of reverence toward the Creation, let alone the unavoidable suspicion that there might be a Creator behind it.
I'd like to think that reasonable defenders of evolution wouldn't object if some biology teacher somewhere were still allowed to say something like this in an American classroom:
"There is grandeur in this view of life (as) having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, while this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved."
Would we really censor such an opinion from high-school classes in either the sciences or the humanities?
That would be a shame, for those are the concluding words of the second edition of a great work of science, art and belief: "The Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin.
Contact Paul Greenberg of the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette at Paul_Greenberg@adg.ardemgaz.com.
http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/108664
Why not just let science teachers teach science the way they believe is best? Surely even the most fervent critics of evolution would admit that Darwin's theory makes a mighty handy way to organize biology classes — from the study of simpler to more complex organisms.
Then there are those separate but equally intolerant champions of evolution whose antennae go up in alarm at the slightest show of reverence toward the Creation, let alone the unavoidable suspicion that there might be a Creator behind it.
I'd like to think that reasonable defenders of evolution wouldn't object if some biology teacher somewhere were still allowed to say something like this in an American classroom:
"There is grandeur in this view of life (as) having been originally breathed by the Creator into a few forms or into one; and that, while this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed laws of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved."
Would we really censor such an opinion from high-school classes in either the sciences or the humanities?
That would be a shame, for those are the concluding words of the second edition of a great work of science, art and belief: "The Origin of Species" by Charles Darwin.
Contact Paul Greenberg of the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette at Paul_Greenberg@adg.ardemgaz.com.
reasonable defenders?
while it is true that "creationism" (no matter which philosophical creator refered to) and evolution can co-exist (and some creator philosophies support evolution). the real issue is a certian group of creationists who are only interested in pushing their own dogma at the expense of knowledge, and to give them even a crack is to risk more damage. I don't like to sound paranoid on this, but ignorance is more easily spread than knowledge.
while it is true that "creationism" (no matter which philosophical creator refered to) and evolution can co-exist (and some creator philosophies support evolution). the real issue is a certian group of creationists who are only interested in pushing their own dogma at the expense of knowledge, and to give them even a crack is to risk more damage. I don't like to sound paranoid on this, but ignorance is more easily spread than knowledge.
I'd like to see more churches and moslems
actually talk about science in their sermons
and examine what the ideas of science mean
to their faith.
I'd love Christian churches to discuss their history
of dealing with science, especially the story
of house arrest on Galileo.
actually talk about science in their sermons
and examine what the ideas of science mean
to their faith.
I'd love Christian churches to discuss their history
of dealing with science, especially the story
of house arrest on Galileo.
I'm busy right now, but some time in the next few days I can find time to debate. I believe in evolution. Do you?
I believe in evolution. i'd be foolish not to. but i dont think that means there couldn't have been a God who started it all off, in the full knowledge it'd result in intelligent beings capable of recognising him. It's possible to have both.
I beleive we are multi-celluler bipedal descendants from apes, carbon based beings and that no "God" created us.
I think it goes like this, There was a converge of certain elements(atoms, whichever you prefer) in favorible condtions which resulted in bacterium and other microorganisms which are eukaryotic, and then they evolved to being other microorganisms when then evolved into out modern day animals, plants, fungi, protists and bacteria.
Apes were somewhere along the lines of the animals(obviuously) hominoindea, which then turn became our modern apes and humans. Dinosaurs at some point bridged the link between, birds and lizards, lizards obviuosly were once amphibians which grew lungs(it is show that that can happen) and birds are the evolved form of theropods. I think the dinosaurs that survived the mass extinction(radioactive dating shows that it happened numerous times, not just to the dinosaurs) just evolved out to animals we associate with being lizards, amphibians and birds.
I know it sounds a little weird, but i think it happened somewhat similar to that, maybe not the subdividing of the evolved species, but close.
P.S.,it has nothing to do with evolution(or maybe a little considering the flight plans of migratory birds)but I think I read somewhere the Magnetic poles have switched numerous times
(it talked about the sea bed rock being twisted and contorted from the switching),i would like to study it. If someone could point me in the direction of a link i would graceously appreciate it.
I think it goes like this, There was a converge of certain elements(atoms, whichever you prefer) in favorible condtions which resulted in bacterium and other microorganisms which are eukaryotic, and then they evolved to being other microorganisms when then evolved into out modern day animals, plants, fungi, protists and bacteria.
Apes were somewhere along the lines of the animals(obviuously) hominoindea, which then turn became our modern apes and humans. Dinosaurs at some point bridged the link between, birds and lizards, lizards obviuosly were once amphibians which grew lungs(it is show that that can happen) and birds are the evolved form of theropods. I think the dinosaurs that survived the mass extinction(radioactive dating shows that it happened numerous times, not just to the dinosaurs) just evolved out to animals we associate with being lizards, amphibians and birds.
I know it sounds a little weird, but i think it happened somewhat similar to that, maybe not the subdividing of the evolved species, but close.
P.S.,it has nothing to do with evolution(or maybe a little considering the flight plans of migratory birds)but I think I read somewhere the Magnetic poles have switched numerous times
(it talked about the sea bed rock being twisted and contorted from the switching),i would like to study it. If someone could point me in the direction of a link i would graceously appreciate it.
Yep, that's right, though it hasn't contorted any rocks, the field isn't strong enough to do that. There are numerous very clear reversals recorded in the magnetization of rocks spreading away from the mid-ocean ridges. Just google for "magnetic reversals," you'll get over a million hits and more information than you could hope to absorb in a lifetime of reading. I looked at the first half dozen that came up, and all seemed like reasonable science to me. The Wikipedia article provides a pretty good summary; it showed up 4th in the list when I googled for it an hour ago.
I believe in evolution only, but I would be flexible enough to believe if there ever was a higher
power thousands of years ago, they were people from another, or other planets, or another part
of the universe, but absolutely nothing like a god or any such fantasy.
power thousands of years ago, they were people from another, or other planets, or another part
of the universe, but absolutely nothing like a god or any such fantasy.