Evolution Debate ...

[Dexter Sinister]

Just thought I'd share with you all Monty Python's version of a fine old Church of England hymn called "All Things Bright and Beautiful," which the more literate among you may know contains in its first verse the titles of four of James Herriott's books. It clearly enunciates the Python view of the ineffable beauty and designed perfection of nature.

All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.

Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom,
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.

Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid,
Who made the spikey urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did.

All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul, and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.

 

[Jo Canadian]

 

[pastafarian]

 

[Jo Canadian]

:laughing3:

 

[pastafarian]

 

[peapod]

http://www.capsteps.com/sounds/evolution.mp3

 

[Jo Canadian]

 

[pastafarian]

In response to the question about my avatar and The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster:
I once was Lost, but now am Found!.
It concerns a movement to have the revealed Truth of the Flying Spaghetti Monster --who brought all things into existence by means of a touch of His"Noodly Appendage"-- taught alongside evolution and "Intelligent Design".

Initally I thought that, although the idea of an alternative to ID was a good, one, the Spaghetti Monster seemed like such a childish idea --I mean a unicorn-based faith would have more legitimacy since there is far more evidence for the existence of unicorns than there is for the existence of a single person named Jesus living in Palestine between 5 BC and 40 AD-- that surely they could have done better.

But then, the genius of the idea hit me. The more flippant and ridiculous the alternative to evolution, the better it represents the status of ID in scientific terms!

I had been touched by the Noodly Spirit! I knew that this was the path that had been trod by the Virgin Marinara and then Our Fusili revealed the sacred prayer to me:

On top of spaghetti,
All covered with cheese,
I lost my poor meatball,
When somebody sneezed.

It rolled off the table,
And on to the floor,
And then my poor meatball,
Rolled out of the door.

It rolled in the garden,
And under a bush,
And then my poor meatball,
Was nothing but mush.

The mush was as tasty
As tasty could be,
And then the next summer,
It grew into a tree.

The tree was all covered,
All covered with moss,
And on it grew meatballs,
And tomato sauce.

So if you eat spaghetti,
All covered with cheese,
Hold on to your meatball,
Whenever you sneeze

In the Name of the Fusili, Sauce and Noodly Spirit, Parsamen.

 

[I think not]

Dam, that's funny, you learn something new everyday.

 

[neocon-hunter]

My Gawd you guys, we were seeded here by aliens for crying in the lake.

Link

As the theory of evolution loses ground among academics, the theory rising to replace it is called "Panspermia" - the idea that life on earth has it's origins in outer space. 8O

 

[pastafarian]

My Gawd you guys, we were seeded here by aliens for crying in the lake.

Yabbut, neocon-hunter, where did the aliens that seeded us here come from, huh?

Hint: "Noodly appendage" 8)

 

[missile]

That's just what we deserved for the environmental crimes of "crying in the lake" I miss my caudal appendage,by the way.

 

[Hard-Luck Henry]

This is indeed great news. Under the old administration, the Vatican was somewhat neutral on the "intelligent design" debate. Nothing wrong with the old position ... of not taking sides. However, it looks (just as I had suspected) like the new administration has officially taken a position in the "RIGHT" direction. As it should be.

I see in the Fox article you posted Ratzinger backs up his case by quoting someone who died in 379. Very topical; it's good to see he's not clinging too much to the past.
You're wrong, as per usual, in your interpretation of the Vatican's view, James. For instance, there's nothing at all neutral about the following:

THE Vatican has issued a stout defence of Charles Darwin, voicing strong criticism of Christian fundamentalists who reject his theory of evolution and interpret the biblical account of creation literally.

Or how about this:

The Vatican's chief astronomer said Friday that "intelligent design'' isn't science and doesn't belong in science classrooms, the latest high-ranking Roman Catholic official to enter the evolution debate raging in the United States.

:sleepy2: A waste of keyboard plastic, I know, but I'll persevere: One of these days James might just wake up and try and having at least a passing acquaintance with the truth. :sleepy2:

 

[neocon-hunter]

My Gawd you guys, we were seeded here by aliens for crying in the lake.

Yabbut, neocon-hunter, where did the aliens that seeded us here come from, huh?

Hint: "Noodly appendage" 8)

Lemuria. read all about it here

:wink:

 

[Ocean Breeze]

HLH:

One of these days James might just wake up and try and having at least a passing acquaintance with the truth

wouldn't hold my breath on that one.. :wink:

 

[peapod]

Discovery institute, the one mascarding as a place of science, interesting innit?? Where did this place come from? They gots loads of greenbacks and time to waste.

A story in the new york times sheds light on this group and who is behind it. In 2003 they took in 4.1 million dollars, the majority coming from religious donors. Finiancial support from 22 foundations, 2/3 of them being "explicitly religious missions"

“Like a well-tooled electoral campaign, the Discovery Institute has a carefully crafted, poll-tested message, lively Web logs – and millions of dollars from foundations run by prominent conservatives like Howard and Roberta Ahmanson, Phillip F. Anschutz and Richard Mellon Scaife,” writes New York Times reporter Jodi Wilgoren.

The result of all this influx of cash has been a carefully crafted campaign to turn a religious theory into legitimate science and inject it into public school classrooms and other venues.

http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=h...nVDnQ2BDzhDBQ51Q20CMBQ51YDzhQ5DGMYGQ5DqjQ20WY

You will need a paid subscription to read the article.

"The Discovery Institute, founded in 1990, set out to do an end-run around the First Amendment. In a November 2003 Church & State article, it was noted that William Dembski, a prominent ID proponent and one of the Institute's fellows had told the National Religious Broadcasters that, “If there's anything that I think has blocked the growth of Christ [and] the free reign of the Spirit and people accepting the Scripture and Jesus Christ, it is the Darwinian, naturalistic view…. It's important that we understand the world. God created it; Jesus is incarnate in the world.”

Ever wonder why these people fear education so much, that they are willing to use every dirty trick and lie in the book, justifying it all with their book of myths :?

 

[no1important]

B.C. tribunal rules in favour of lesbian couple

A teaser:

The B.C. Human Rights Tribunal has ruled in favour of two lesbian women who claim they were discriminated against by a Catholic men's organization when they booked a hall for their wedding reception in the fall of 2003.

Deborah Chymyshyn and Tracey Smith allege the Knights of Columbus council in Port Coquitlam cancelled their contract when they found out it was for a same-sex couple, after they had already paid their deposit and sent out their wedding invitations.

The judgment says that the Knights of Columbus council "failed in their duty to accommodate the plaintiffs when they refused the rental of the hall to them," said their lawyer barbara findlay (who requests that her name is spelled in lowercase letters).

 

[gd]

to throw a tib bit in...

there is red supremacy, well actually thats what I call it, its called red queen theory

ie slightly different from darwin, that evolution occurs on an incremental scale

well I find it interesting because I think along the same lines

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personnally I have to say I am suprised there is even this debate going on.

Personally I believe in evolution, though I would want there to be some kind of order (god) quiet frankly the shire about of disorder in the world including relgious nut cases makes me think otherwise...

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Re: RE: Evolution Debate ...

Not quite right there, gd. The Red Queen hypothesis is about why an inefficient process like sexual reproduction happens, when asexual reproduction is so much easier in terms of time and resources. It postulates that the increased variation through DNA recombination in sexual reproduction enables creatures to evolve defences against parasites more quickly. It's an idea fully within modern evolutionary theory, not a different theory on its own.

 

[Papachongo]

man this debate is still going on. i thought science already proved evolution. oh wait i mean chicken, CHICKEN!


damn i'm going to hell.