Caution: Marijuana may not be lesser evil

[hermanntrude]

this is all nonsense. we all know the REAL drug problem in any non-moslem country is alcohol.

alcohol definately IS addictive, IS harmful, IS in widespread use, DOES cause deaths, DOES ruin families and IS legal.

cannabis MIGHT be a little bit addictive, CAN be harmful, but also has health benefits, ISNT very common, VERY rarely causes any deaths except in cases of extreme stupidity, ONLY ruins families when the use is young and/or stupid and the parents havent a clue how to deal with a problem (reactionist for instance), and ISNT legal, so why fight to make it illegal?

 

[MikeyDB]

Temperance

Howdy!

Would you consider doing a little research into the pharmaceutical industries offerings of drugs that not only didn't do what that industry claimed it would do and the outright often terrible outcomes experienced when the latest wonder-drug according to the pharmaceutical companies hurt millions of people? You could start with Thalidomide if you like but there have been many many "legal" drugs that have been the genesis of a great deal of harm. Receptors in the brain and neurotransmitter make-up have a great deal to do with which mediation can work and which can't. It's not all that easy to design a drug that will have the desired effect without some other reaction taking place.

Even if marijuana's effect on reducing pain is merely placebo in nature, that relief is real. I hope you never experience the pain that many live with each and every day. If a drug like marijuana which can be grown very inexpensively and seems to have only limited minor side effects ..is or could be made available to people who suffer...you'd keep them from getting even that small relief from their pain...I don't think so. You seem like a very nice person and although we are all victims to the hyperbole of dire consequences ...doom and gloom...generated by those who've always told us they know whats best for us..even when it's not...we do know that many times the initial response to new ideas meets with entrenched prejudice.

 

[Colpy]

This is the problem with marijuana. The studies show very little correlation, likely due to biases inherent in the research. My experience is anecdotal, I wouldn't have ever tried the harder drugs without having a number of dealers who were all dabbling in other drugs. Even as it were, I was somewhat reluctant to try new drugs. I would be exposed to them, and then go do a little research myself. There was a website I used to go to, where users would write down their experiences from the different drugs. Drug experiences are highly variable between users, except in the case of truly addicted individuals.

Yeah.

If you are a risk-taker, willing to step outside the bounds of "normal" acceptable behaviour, then you are apt to try cigarettes, booze, grass, and harder drugs...........and grass is apt to be your first drug, simply because it is so available, thus it is seen as a "gateway".

Baloney. Drug use is a product of one's personality.

My first drug use was LSD, way back in the fall of '69. I don't think anyone would call LSD a "gateway" drug, but in my case you could claim it led to the use of a myriad of other pharmaceutical wonderfuls. (better living through chemistry)

I know lots of people that hold down jobs, have good marriages, and have smoked dope almost daily for 35 years. Is it good for them ? GOD NO!

But let's kick the nanny state the hell out of our business.

 

[sanctus]

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cannabis MIGHT be a little bit addictive, CAN be harmful, but also has health benefits, ISNT very common, VERY rarely causes any deaths except in cases of extreme stupidity, ONLY ruins families when the use is young and/or stupid and the parents havent a clue how to deal with a problem (reactionist for instance), and ISNT legal, so why fight to make it illegal?

Isn't very common!!! You're joking, right!! It is more common now, especially amongst young people, than when we were teenagers in the 70's.And saddly, i know lots of my old friends and others in the over 40 age group who still partake of the stuff on a regular basis.

 

[hermanntrude]

no where near as common as alcohol. i know it's common but i was comparing it to alcohol, which is in every corner of society

 

[sanctus]

no where near as common as alcohol. i know it's common but i was comparing it to alcohol, which is in every corner of society

I see. True, but only because it is easier to obtain alchohol. but i assure you, pot is still the drug of choice for the teenagers, at least judging from the exposure I have with them and various studies taken over the past few years.

 

[hermanntrude]

yes well i'd much rather my child smoked weed than drank booze. although i'd prefer they didnt do either till they were fully grown. I know that both has dangers for the younger mind.

 

[MMMike]

I suspect anyone who enjoys marijuana would not purchase it from the government. I can only imagine the tampering the government would do with the drug until the THC levels were next to nothing, leaving you with a mildy intoxicating cigarette.

Why should the government supply it? Leave it to private producers to make and market their product, just like alcohol, tobacco or other drugs.

 

[CDNBear]

True. I agree with your points. I don't know the answer. But I do think that if weed is to be somewhat legal, then go all the way and make it legal and tax and regulate its production like we do booze and cigarettes. OR outlaw it totally and always, just one or the other.

You do realize that you are infact talking about legalizing a medicinal herb used by Indigenous peoples long before the Europeans found that the earth wasn't the center of the universe, don't you?

Pretty selective about what part of my relative ancestral peoples religious affects you're willing to accept and condemn, must be some flaw in your perspective.

 

[DurkaDurka]

Why should the government supply it? Leave it to private producers to make and market their product, just like alcohol, tobacco or other drugs.

It would still be regulated by the government, which in turn would mean lowered THC levels & a higher price. I doubt pot smokers would go for it..

 

[hermanntrude]

You do realize that you are infact talking about legalizing a medicinal herb used by Indigenous peoples long before the Europeans found that the earth wasn't the center of the universe, don't you?

Pretty selective about what part of my relative ancestral peoples religious affects you're willing to accept and condemn, must be some flaw in your perspective.

I'm interested... back in the days before we came over and gave the native americans such a hard time, was there a view on where the world was, what shape it was and whether there were others? is there a record of such views?

 

[Tonington]

I'd grow it, I did when I was a teenager. Better if there is a fine rather than a prison sentance

 

[CDNBear]

I'm interested... back in the days before we came over and gave the native americans such a hard time, was there a view on where the world was, what shape it was and whether there were others? is there a record of such views?

I sent you a PM, I didn't want to hijack the thread to much, lol.

 

[temperance]

"I hope you never experience the pain that many live with each and every day."


Too late I ve been screwed for about 7 years now and I am very aware of pain and Drugs that say they do one thing and end up doing ten other things(unwanted )

After a wicked car accident at work I spent 2 years in bed after having a wonderful career and being a very production person .
I just recently began to live a little and being that I was part of a cannabinoids study I think I just might know a thing or two about the drug Cesamet (synthetic THC analogue)

I had not used pot as and was reluctant at first to participate ,but am so happy I did ,sleep ,eating and pain levels improved after about 2 moths of therapy -

-Ive tried many physical ,mental and drug therapies over the years ,staring with the least invasive first and not using drug therapy until all was exhausted ,Having your body injected daily with 10 inch needles full of marcaine and steroids was one I regret --It help on the spot but now I m living with steroid over use --I'm still not totally functioning but can look to the future with a glimmer of hope ,better than 5 years ago

 

[darkbeaver]

I have bad arthritis I can't take the phamaseticals because they make me sick. The value of cannibis
for pain varys from strain to strain with some relief from most, when I find a good strain it's particularly noticable, the pain is killed in about five minutes. I have only to ingest about 1/20 th of a gram by smoking it a bit more if I eat or drink it, the relief from pain lasts far longer than from the legal junk. The medicinal use of cannibis and its effects among those who know is not open to question. The systemic mishandling of medicinal cannibis is a crime, the only winners are the big corporations who stand to loose billions when it is again made available to those who need or want it.:wave:

 

[DurkaDurka]

I have bad arthritis I can't take the phamaseticals because they make me sick. The value of cannibis
for pain varys from strain to strain with some relief from most, when I find a good strain it's particularly noticable, the pain is killed in about five minutes. I have only to ingest about 1/20 th of a gram by smoking it a bit more if I eat or drink it, the relief from pain lasts far longer than from the legal junk. The medicinal use of cannibis and its effects among those who know is not open to question. The systemic mishandling of medicinal cannibis is a crime, the only winners are the big corporations who stand to loose billions when it is again made available to those who need or want it.:wave:

Have you tried making marijuana tea?

 

[m_levesque]

I'd grow it, I did when I was a teenager. Better if there is a fine rather than a prison sentance

Why though? don't you think that as an adult you should not be doing such things?

 

[hermanntrude]

better than doing as a child, eh?

 

[m_levesque]

better than doing as a child, eh?

You are just playing with my words. I'm talking about most of us as teenagers tried or smoked pot, but when we become adults we should get over it and give it up. It's a bad influence on our young.

 

[DurkaDurka]

You are just playing with my words. I'm talking about most of us as teenagers tried or smoked pot, but when we become adults we should get over it and give it up. It's a bad influence on our young.

If an adult chooses to smoke pot privately, how is he influencing youth one way or another?