Speak for yourself, pilgrim. My thoughts and ideas come from my genetics and my experiences.
I prefer the first one: faerie tale.
It's no wonder. Just another faerie tale to keep you sheep interested in superstitions.
How can we get rid of our sinfulness?
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He's right, you know. Your deity isn't the author of Protestantism, humans are. Same with your deity, humans are its author, too.
Yeah, I did, didn't I. I was beginning to wish I hadn't about halfway through that long response about Solomon's Song, but intellectual cowardice is not one of my many shortcomings, so I soldiered on. Gotta say though, there's something wrong when the explanation's longer than the book.you asked
Thanks for making the effort (I think...) but I still can't see it as anything but a frankly erotic love poem composed to celebrate a wedding between Solomon and one of the 700 wives he supposedly had. He must have been a very busy guy. Its erotic content I think is what makes it necessary for the religious to find some allegorical meaning in it, but every attempt at it that I've ever seen seems strained, artificial, arbitrary, and convoluted to me. The explanation look3467 offered (thanks to you too, look) I find just as strained, artificial, and arbitrary, though it's a good deal less convoluted. I still think you guys are just making stuff up to avoid having to deal with the thing at face value, which is that's it's a very rich and beautiful love poem, with some lovely nature imagery, about human passion, and that's all it is. And I think that's quite enough; human passion as described there is certainly worth celebrating in poetry and song and there's no reason why the Bible shouldn't do so.
Yeah, I did, didn't I. I was beginning to wish I hadn't about halfway through that long response about Solomon's Song, but intellectual cowardice is not one of my many shortcomings, so I soldiered on. Gotta say though, there's something wrong when the explanation's longer than the book.
Thanks for making the effort (I think...) but I still can't see it as anything but a frankly erotic love poem composed to celebrate a wedding between Solomon and one of the 700 wives he supposedly had. He must have been a very busy guy. Its erotic content I think is what makes it necessary for the religious to find some allegorical meaning in it, but every attempt at it that I've ever seen seems strained, artificial, arbitrary, and convoluted to me. The explanation look3467 offered (thanks to you too, look) I find just as strained, artificial, and arbitrary, though it's a good deal less convoluted. I still think you guys are just making stuff up to avoid having to deal with the thing at face value, which is that's it's a very rich and beautiful love poem, with some lovely nature imagery, about human passion, and that's all it is. And I think that's quite enough; human passion as described there is certainly worth celebrating in poetry and song and there's no reason why the Bible shouldn't do so.
Laughing, well my friend, next time be careful what you ask for!
I do agree with you though, about the erotic context of the Song of Songs. Do you know, at one time religious education teachers would avoid that book altogether when teaching children about the Bible. Used to make some of those old nuns blush!
I believe we are bound to each other too, or should say, it is obvious we are, as we all live together on this earth, and are definitely connected, " BUT" for me it is "our" situation and "our" responsibility and not connected to any god or religion at all.
Would that connection be any different if it could be established that it originated from God? What I mean is, are we talking apples and oranges here? If it is from God, all the better, and if not, what have we lost if we realize our connection?
Well, of course, we all have the freedom to believe as we see fit, but the common thread is that,
we are bound together, and for me that does not mean, from god.
I seem to have a very similar "connection" to this earth, that you do to your "god", I am connected to
the earth in a very spiritual way, as I feel that it gave me "life' in the beginning, and I am forever
thankful and respectful for that.
I have never heard religious groups/people show that kind of respect toward the earth, only what theythink is out in space or in heaven or?
For me, our earth is our "creator", without the earth we would not exist, and I don't believe our earth
was put here from some "miracle of creation by a god".
I believe just as "strongly" toward that belief, as you do in your god, and that is why it is irritating
when religious people on this c.c., constantly tell me I am included in everything "their" god is
doing for/about/to people, we are "all" pulled into those sayings and opinions, and they don't
include me, just because they say they do.
An incredible amount of time, work, and lives would have been wasted if it ever came out that deities were actually invented by people.
Does asking and accepting forgiveness for sins mean one should no longer feel guilty? Is guilt a sign that one has not really accepted God's forgiveness, or is it a healthy thing that would prevent one from repeating the mistake?
I don't believe human beings are capable of unconditional love. They say they are, thye think they are, but when tested, they fail every time... Only God loves that way. And those who love Jesus will try to love that way but will usually fail.
God's forgiveness is like give a child a candy after he has fallen from his bike. I have managed to be a good person and forgiven myself when I has sinned. My reward for such an act. I do not have to bow down, drop my your knees, become a worthless child and be humiliated by a book. I have dealt with my deamons in the past and still stugle today with some. But I don't see why people suject themselves to such humiliation, when they can make themselves stronger by accepting their sin and not weaking to the control of that book. The bible is a tool of the church. Could be called, Subjegation for Dummies.
Good point. I would say in the right hands it is. My view of the church is a little negative. Sometimes I overlook the good it does do.
Like many people, we tend to want to see only those things in an organization that we want to. So that, if we begin with a negative concept, even those things done in good will be viewed through this prism we have created.
I agree. there is little we can do on our own to subtract ourselves from our own selves! What we can do, no-must do, is continue to strive to serve each other and God unconditionally.
To a point, but consider that carrying the guilt after, I assume you mean going to confession, is almost a slap in the face to God. It displays a lack of faith since through carrying on with that guilt after you've been absolved suggests you do not believe God has forgiven you.