How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

[mapleleafgirl]

s eyes to see His wonderful grace, mercy and compassion for us who are in the midst of hell, trying and learning to live right.[/FONT] Peace>>>AJ:love9:[/QUOTE]

wowwwwwww...you go on man. i dont even know what youre talking about most of the time cos you dont seem to either get my question or you go off on these long things that dont make any sense to me. i just dont get what youre trying to say and why all these bible quotes are gonna help. do you talk to people like this???

 

[mapleleafgirl]

This is the part where training, teaching and preaching comes in, because there are many souls out there who know not God, much less know how to reach Him.
They know about Him, but they don't know Him.
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cool, you just admitted what sanctus has been telling you all along, that we need the church to teach us stuff, not just pick up a bible and read it all by ourselves. i dont get that at all cos allot of what i read i dont get and so somebody has to help explain it to us when we are like that. maybe other people can just read it and get it, but like i was reading some of sirach old testement book in the bible last night and parts of it i didnt get at all. what is the point of sirach anyway?

 

[sanctus]

cool, you just admitted what sanctus has been telling you all along, that we need the church to teach us stuff, not just pick up a bible and read it all by ourselves. i dont get that at all cos allot of what i read i dont get and so somebody has to help explain it to us when we are like that. maybe other people can just read it and get it, but like i was reading some of sirach old testement book in the bible last night and parts of it i didnt get at all. what is the point of sirach anyway?

Sirach is one of my favourite OT books!

Rather than go into a lengthy exegesis here, might I instead suggest these links:http://www.earlyjewishwritings.com/sirach.html

Further, I see you live in London. There are a great many Catholic book stores in that city, since it is the see city of the Diocese of London (in fact are you aware that a seminary-St. Peter's-is also in your city?). Drop in and find a good Catholic Bible Study book. It may offer some assistance in your reading.

 

[darleneonfire]

Thank you. It turned out well for him, considering. It seems he swallowed a bottle of Advil. Luckily they were able to help him, though he now has to spend a few days in hospital in the Psychiatric Ward, which is protocal for such cases. This is his third time pulling such a stunt.

Time, patience and counselling will hopefully see the boy turn around.

Interesting that one can be so alone and surrounded by people.

How wonderful. Having teenagers myself, I am well aware of the emotional roller-coaster many of them are on. If I knew this family, I'd advise though against drugging the kids up. One of my friends has a depressed daughter and on the advice of their doctor they have her on some sort of anti-depressant. In my opinion, there is too much of a reliance on drugging kids rather then handling their problems.

 

[darleneonfire]

Brother Sanctus, it took a while for that young man to think and feel the way he did. Likewise, it will take time for him to regain hope in life.

Leading a person to Christ, the great physician, healer of the thoughts and intents of the heart, is what this young man needs, besides personal things.

Jesus is His hope and salvation. Getting him to realize that would transform his heart into a new heart, that of hope and worth of life.


Peace>>AJ

I'm sure you mean well, but how in the name of all that is holy would preaching this nonsense at the young man be of any assistance to him in the situation described by sanctus?

That is one of the problems with bible-thumpers, they think dumping quotes from their bibles is somehow going to help people in crisis.

Tell me, if one of your children was drowning, would you stand on the shore and read the bible to them?

 

[darleneonfire]

For some of us at least, that's not true. With me, for instance, it is not spiritual love that establishes who I am, but environment and genetics as both play a role in development of personality and character. .

Exactly. There has to be a balance even if someone has faith. One simply cannot pretend the real world does not exist because one has one's nose shoved so far into the bible she can't see the world around her.

 

[darleneonfire]

wowwwwwwwwwwww. that was a long time ago. so like you were alive when the beatles were still together, eh?

Oy vey, the young! God bless them! I was alive when they started, when they broke up and all in between...yeah..yeah...yeah!

 

[darleneonfire]

May I ask you a question dear? What fire is it that you are on?

Is it for the Lord? And if it is, would you describe to me how you do that?

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

First off, please do not call me "dear". It is one of my pet peeves with you men. I dislike being called little sweet names by men I don't happen to be married to.I am not, also, "babe", "honey", "etc., etc.

Secondly, no, I am not on fire for the Lord. I'm not even sure what that means exactly. I do believe in God, but I am way far from a zealot. I believe as long as I go the Church, receive communion and try to live a good life I'm just fine.

I picked that name, actually, because my husband says I spew out fire when I'm mad

 

[m_levesque]

How wonderful. Having teenagers myself, I am well aware of the emotional roller-coaster many of them are on. If I knew this family, I'd advise though against drugging the kids up. One of my friends has a depressed daughter and on the advice of their doctor they have her on some sort of anti-depressant. In my opinion, there is too much of a reliance on drugging kids rather then handling their problems.

Nobody seems to have mentoned that the boy should be clearly informed that suicide is a sin. I'm surprised you didn't mention this Sanctus! Or did you and just not share it with us?

 

[sanctus]

Nobody seems to have mentoned that the boy should be clearly informed that suicide is a sin. I'm surprised you didn't mention this Sanctus! Or did you and just not share it with us?

With respect, and Self can back me up on this based on a previous conversation with her, what I said or did not say to this young man is none of your business and I will not share any of those conversations here.

I will say, however, that the time to point fingers at people with admonishments is NOT when they are in the middle of a crisis. It is counter-productive and is, in my opinion, simply cruel. We are not called, as Christians, to do so. We are called to help. In fact, more than called, we are commanded by Christ Himself to offer help to people who request it. We are not, in such situations, commanded or required to "preach" at them.

 

[sanctus]

I'm sure you mean well, but how in the name of all that is holy would preaching this nonsense at the young man be of any assistance to him in the situation described by sanctus?

That is one of the problems with bible-thumpers, they think dumping quotes from their bibles is somehow going to help people in crisis.

Tell me, if one of your children was drowning, would you stand on the shore and read the bible to them?

I don't think your last comment was fair. AJ may have doctrinal differences with people, myself included, but his intentions were surely good. I was a bit "bitchy" with him myself last night. No excuse, simply last night I wasn't in peak condition spiritually or mentally. I trust he'll forgive me that bitchiness

 

[csanopal]

cool, you just admitted what sanctus has been telling you all along, that we need the church to teach us stuff, not just pick up a bible and read it all by ourselves. i dont get that at all cos allot of what i read i dont get and so somebody has to help explain it to us when we are like that. maybe other people can just read it and get it, but like i was reading some of sirach old testement book in the bible last night and parts of it i didnt get at all. what is the point of sirach anyway?

Although for the most part I consider myself a good Catholic, the one area I fall short in is the Bible. I read it nightly, but I don't necessarily try and interpret it. Oftentimes what I am reading , is applicable to something I may be dealing with in my life. I am very intimidated by those who can quote the Bible chapter and verse. It makes me wonder if I am the "good Catholic" I think I am.

 

[csanopal]

Confession, to be valid, requires actual sorrow

Marriage could be declared invalid based on a number of reasons.
Baptism could be declared invalid if not properly administered, etc,etc.

so............
Doesn't Holy Orders require ex opere operantis (an inner disposition which would include obedience)?

"Once a priest, always a priest" seems to contradict other sacraments being declared invalid.

 

[talloola]

Thank you. It turned out well for him, considering. It seems he swallowed a bottle of Advil. Luckily they were able to help him, though he now has to spend a few days in hospital in the Psychiatric Ward, which is protocal for such cases. This is his third time pulling such a stunt.

Time, patience and counselling will hopefully see the boy turn around.

Interesting that one can be so alone and surrounded by people

well, thankfully he's still alive, but, what's next. It might take some time to
slowly bring him out of his despair, and although the other person mentioned
that putting them on medication is not her choice, sometimes "life over limb"
has to be considered, as we want them to stay alive, so that they can get the
emotional help they need, and hopefully as he grows up, he can gain the strength he needs to stay alive, and begin to enjoy life.

 

[look3467]

First off, please do not call me "dear". It is one of my pet peeves with you men. I dislike being called little sweet names by men I don't happen to be married to.I am not, also, "babe", "honey", "etc., etc.

Secondly, no, I am not on fire for the Lord. I'm not even sure what that means exactly. I do believe in God, but I am way far from a zealot. I believe as long as I go the Church, receive communion and try to live a good life I'm just fine.

I picked that name, actually, because my husband says I spew out fire when I'm mad

Just wondering, Darlene, and I apologize for the word dear, even though it was meant in a kind way.
And being on fire in the Lords sense is like what the Apostle were like the day after Pentecost. They were full of the Holy Spirit.

There are some folks who are that way today, fearless in their presentation of the gospel of Jesus.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

I don't think your last comment was fair. AJ may have doctrinal differences with people, myself included, but his intentions were surely good. I was a bit "bitchy" with him myself last night. No excuse, simply last night I wasn't in peak condition spiritually or mentally. I trust he'll forgive me that bitchiness

Just because you read the word preaching, doesn't mean that thats the key word to hang the whole verse on. You see, where one can read into it something totally off the wall thought.
The whole intent of the message in that verse was introduction. Introduction of Jesus into this boys life, giving him hope.

There have be many cases where Jesus has delivered people from the deep hurts and burdensome situations of life by just learning to understand what Jesus means to them.

Giving the boy hope is the key to unlocking his problem. And Jesus is the key.
You my brother, cannot save anybody, only Jesus can. You are a priest who makes that reality a truth by administering Jesus as the save that heals the wounds.
The reason you were a bit "bitchy" as you say, if because you wanted to really do something more than you could but couldn't.

It is within the power of God and not ours. All we can do is present Him to our brothers and hope they will look into it with their hearts.

I hope that this message is not taken out of context.

In this life, hell is rough, and has no mercy. Only God can comfort us during these times.
And Sanctus, I am not talking to you specifically when I address this post under your name.
I am addressing all who read that they might consider the situation and let Jesus come into their hearts.

Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[look3467]

I am very intimidated by those who can quote the Bible chapter and verse. It makes me wonder if I am the "good Catholic" I think I am.

I quote because I know of the message in the quote. And I don't know where they are. I enlist the help of e-sword, a free download.
The complete bible KJV plus 10 others, including Strong's concordances, and Matthew Henry's commentary. Plus about 15 other commentaries.
It is a very useful tool in your studies, because if you are looking for a specific word or phrase, just type it in and it will give you every verse in the bible where it is found.
I've read the bible several times over, never understanding everything the first time. But in time, God sees to it to give you understanding according to His will.
I have made it my quest to learn all I can be given to understand, and truly the Lord has complied.
I do receive allot of flack from many on forums such as this one, but that comes with the territory.
If one individual turns to Jesus, then my efforts are well given.
Jesus is the light in a dark world. Darkness meant as lack of knowledge of Him.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:

 

[L Gilbert]

wowwwwwww...you go on man. i dont even know what youre talking about most of the time cos you dont seem to either get my question or you go off on these long things that dont make any sense to me. i just dont get what youre trying to say and why all these bible quotes are gonna help. do you talk to people like this???

lol I think it's his meds. Kidding.

 

[csanopal]

I quote because I know of the message in the quote. And I don't know where they are. I enlist the help of e-sword, a free download.
The complete bible KJV plus 10 others, including Strong's concordances, and Matthew Henry's commentary. Plus about 15 other commentaries.
It is a very useful tool in your studies, because if you are looking for a specific word or phrase, just type it in and it will give you every verse in the bible where it is found.
I've read the bible several times over, never understanding everything the first time. But in time, God sees to it to give you understanding according to His will.
I have made it my quest to learn all I can be given to understand, and truly the Lord has complied.
I do receive allot of flack from many on forums such as this one, but that comes with the territory.
If one individual turns to Jesus, then my efforts are well given.
Jesus is the light in a dark world. Darkness meant as lack of knowledge of Him.
Peace>>>AJ:love9:

I don't want Protestant sources, do you know of an online Catholic bible?

 

[eh1eh]

?sigh?

This, of course, only my opinion but maybe this thread has run it's course. It already won thread-o-the year. Well we'll see.:happy11: