How can we get rid of our sinfulness?

[look3467]

It also says we were no longer permitted to eat from that tree when we were kicked out. Gen 4:22

I didn't really know right form wrong til my parents told me these things. At least that's how I remember it.

The flesh is subject to the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Our spirits are what partakes of the other tree. The Tree of Life. That, being Jesus.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[look3467]

now you know why i tryto stay out of these threads!! Gives me MIGRAINS!

Don't feel out of place, Tam, this battle has been going on for 2,000 years, or since the advent of Christ.

It's an uphill battle if you can grasp that.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[selfactivated]

Don't feel out of place, Tam, this battle has been going on for 2,000 years, or since the advent of Christ.

It's an uphill battle if you can grasp that.

Peace>>>AJ

I'll leave it to you to fight your good fight Im gonna go do cross stitch LOL

 

[Tonington]

Man and woman eats forbidden fruit, gains knowledge. Suddenly has concept of right and wrong. Apparently did not know it was wrong to disobey God before that. God kicks man and woman out. No longer allowed to eat from the tree of life, ie immortality. Man and woman must grow their own food, and someday die.

Not sure if these things were covered by the new covenant.

 

[look3467]

Man and woman eats forbidden fruit, gains knowledge. Suddenly has concept of right and wrong. Apparently did not know it was wrong to disobey God before that. God kicks man and woman out. No longer allowed to eat from the tree of life, ie immortality. Man and woman must grow their own food, and someday die.

Not sure if these things were covered by the new covenant.

You've got a good handle on that. The new covenant is just like the old one except that it involves the Tree of Life.
There are two Adams mentioned in the bible. The first Adam is the creation of the flesh and the introduction to the tree of knowledge. The second Adam is a new creation of which this new creation is not of this world but of the heavenly, or spiritual.
And it involves the tree of Life.
All this was done, my belief is, that God wanted us to learn to manage being like Him, to know what good and evil is, for who knows, He might give us our own world to govern. Just my thoughts.

But, yes, the gap that was between heaven and earth has been bridged, by payment for the sin of the first Adam, granting us righteousness not of our own, but Gods.

God is a wonderful, loving and compassionate God in whom nothing escapes His love.

I am glad you recognize these things.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[look3467]

I'll leave it to you to fight your good fight Im gonna go do cross stitch LOL

Good chatting with ya!

Peace>>>AJ

 

[m_levesque]

But I have been answering it all along. But with great patience and long-suffering, I am giving every opportunity for those who wish to learn and understand what the love of God is, and not according to what mankind says it is.

God knows each one's hearts, and He knows when and where to reveal Himself personally.

I can just share my views and experiences with love.

Peace>>>AJ

No you haven't. Here is the first point, God created the church to protect us, with respect, from people like you who pick up Bibles and come up with self-interpreted points of view. One of the jobs of the Church is to safeguard the faith, to make sure we are provided sound doctrine.

Since your sort left the Church, and all claim to be lead by the Holy Spirit, it is not logical. In straight talk, you can't all be right. If ten of us look at something and each comes up with a definition, what is the correct one?: See what I mean. That is what the magisterium of Holy Mother Church is, to safeguard and guide th4e faithful so as not to stray from correct doctrine. Your sort of so-called Christian thinks you are equipped to understand the Bible just because you say the Holy Ghost gives you insight. But who is right?

 

[look3467]

No you haven't. Here is the first point, God created the church to protect us, with respect, from people like you who pick up Bibles and come up with self-interpreted points of view. One of the jobs of the Church is to safeguard the faith, to make sure we are provided sound doctrine.At the begining, Yes!

Oh, by the way, coments are in Blue.

Since your sort left the Church, and all claim to be lead by the Holy Spirit, it is not logical. In straight talk, you can't all be right. I'm not saying I am right, I am saying that's the view I have which conflicts with yours. If ten of us look at something and each comes up with a definition, what is the correct one?: Well, it would depend if there were a common thread amongst all of them. See what I mean. That is what the magisterium of Holy Mother Church is, to safeguard and guide th4e faithful so as not to stray from correct doctrine. I can understand that, for there are many who have no clue that the bible is real, and therefore have to depend on the church for guidance.Your sort of so-called Christian thinks you are equipped to understand the Bible just because you say the Holy Ghost gives you insight. But who is right?

Not equipped but given understanding.
All one has to do, is take time to read the bible, slowly, and when a question arises, search it out.
God knows you are reading, and depending on the motive that is in your heart, He will give what He thinks you need at that time.

You see, just because one reads the bible, understanding doesn't come instantly. Understanding comes with a trial, it is a learning process of which many are at various stages of understandings. That is one reason why there are so many views. Once those views are experienced, coupled with trying to understand them, is when God reveals truths to us bit by bit, then there is unity of spirit.

Much like a new born babe, surely one would not try to give it a steak for food, but milk. As the baby grows, introduction of information is fed as it is capable of understanding new things.

Therefore, I've started out with the milk of the word and progressed to the steak of the word by which the meat of the word becomes my main stay.

Now, I dwell in the word daily, as I live my life in a Christ like manner, doing the thing that He instructed me.
I love the Lord for what He has done for me. For without Him I would be nothing but dust of the earth.
I see all the different views about God, and even those who don't believe in God and because I've learned to understand the word of God, I can overcome all objections with kindness, and compassion.
For if they knew and experienced what I know about God's love, they to would enjoy God as much as I do.

I am not wanting you to leave the catholic church. If you are comfortable there, stay.
I am sharing a different view with you so, you treat it as you like.
I am not offended by any body's comments because I am absorbing, or consuming their words with love.
Love conquers all!
One thought that went through my mind when I saw Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ, was that Jesus took (Consumed)all the evil that was done Him, until there was no more evil left to forgive, and nailed it to the cross.
I am no saint, no preacher, or priest, just an antique salesman, who loves God and shares Him with whom ever I can.
If I am judged, condemned, and feathered, I will consume it with the same love Jesus did at the cross.
That is the cross I must carry..

Peace>>>AJ

 

[talloola]

Look I didnt say a word other than condencing the Gospel into a few sentences for you. Its no where near as long as most articles on the site and it was given to AJ. You didnt read it fine but dont come down my throat because We did! AND descussed it. Do I need to check with you what material I post

this is a free forum for any and all of us say what we feel, both you and I, live with it

check with me? hmmm I'll think about it.

 

[sanctus]

Have you read the gnostics? Theyre quite interesting.

http://www.gnosis.org/

Even if you read them just as very old literature I find them amazing and the story behind why they werent added is nothing more than what was popular at the time. What suited the "church" Gotta love that "church"

The Canon was assembled under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, whom Jesus told us would guide us to all truth. What is in the Bible is the inspired word of God. What is NOT in the Bible is then what is NOT the inspired word of God.

Clear as day. . .

 

[sanctus]

He is present in the form of: The Holy Spirit". Obviously, you haven't been touched yet.

But He

Sorry, your not sharing that with me.

Peace>>>AJ

No AJ, the Holy Spirit is one part of the Trinity, but He is not Jesus.

 

[sanctus]

Not equipped but given understanding.
All one has to do, is take time to read the bible, slowly, and when a question arises, search it out.
God knows you are reading, and depending on the motive that is in your heart, He will give what He thinks you need at that time.

Your premise is again based on the SELF. How can you be assured your interpretation is correct without the guidance of the Church? There are too many different variations on this theme in your type of thinking. In essence, everyone who reads the Bible claiming their understanding is helped by the Holy Spirit does NOT explain why so many different interpretations are arrived at! Are you suggesting that ALL of the different takes on the Scriptures are equally correct? And if so, how can that be under the guidance of God? Is He the master of chaos, for that is what you are suggesting.

 

[sanctus]

But, yes, the gap that was between heaven and earth has been bridged, by payment for the sin of the first Adam, granting us righteousness not of our own, but Gods.

God is a wonderful, loving and compassionate God in whom nothing escapes His love.

I am glad you recognize these things.

Peace>>>AJ

However do you arrive at some of your exegesis on the Scriptures? The new ADAM is Christ. the begnning of our reconciliation with God.

 

[sanctus]

Much like a new born babe, surely one would not try to give it a steak for food, but milk. As the baby grows, introduction of information is fed as it is capable of understanding new things.

Therefore, I've started out with the milk of the word and progressed to the steak of the word by which the meat of the word becomes my main stay.

Now, I dwell in the word daily, as I live my life in a Christ like manner, doing the thing that He instructed me.
I love the Lord for what He ha

AJ, the "word" is not the Bible, the "Word" refers to Christ, the Logos..the spoken message of God.

 

[sanctus]

No you haven't. Here is the first point, God created the church to protect us, with respect, from people like you who pick up Bibles and come up with self-interpreted points of view. One of the jobs of the Church is to safeguard the faith, to make sure we are provided sound doctrine.

Since your sort left the Church, and all claim to be lead by the Holy Spirit, it is not logical. In straight talk, you can't all be right. If ten of us look at something and each comes up with a definition, what is the correct one?: See what I mean. That is what the magisterium of Holy Mother Church is, to safeguard and guide th4e faithful so as not to stray from correct doctrine. Your sort of so-called Christian thinks you are equipped to understand the Bible just because you say the Holy Ghost gives you insight. But who is right?

Many people who are not in the Church take their Bibles in hand and pick and choose which parts of it they wish to follow, ignoring anything in it contrary to their private interpretations. This is why sola scriptura is so dangerous for the soul. It teaches error, not the faith. It ignores the fact that the Church was created by Christ, long before the Scriptures were compiled. It is the book of the Church, and it is only through the Church that correct interpretations of the Scriptures must be understood.

 

[look3467]

Your premise is again based on the SELF. How can you be assured your interpretation is correct without the guidance of the Church? There are too many different variations on this theme in your type of thinking. In essence, everyone who reads the Bible claiming their understanding is helped by the Holy Spirit does NOT explain why so many different interpretations are arrived at! Are you suggesting that ALL of the different takes on the Scriptures are equally correct? And if so, how can that be under the guidance of God? Is He the master of chaos, for that is what you are suggesting.

I trust, rely and believe that God would not lead me astray, especially when He promises me that if i seek Him he shall let Himself be found.

Jer 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.
Mat 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Luk 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.
Joh 7:34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come.
Joh 7:36 What manner of saying is this that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where I am, thither ye cannot come?

Why should I trust humanity to teach me when I have the Spirit of the living God teach me?

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Even you brother Sanctus, cannot deny what is written, especially if it is promised it to us!

Peace>>>AJ

 

[look3467]

AJ, the "word" is not the Bible, the "Word" refers to Christ, the Logos..the spoken message of God.

Absolutely!

1Jo 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

The word of God is Christ, but the bible testifies of the word in word.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

That which was spoken of, was made flesh.

1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

That, I am.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[look3467]

However do you arrive at some of your exegesis on the Scriptures? The new ADAM is Christ. the begnning of our reconciliation with God.

Brother Sanctus, I have experienced the love of God in my spirit by His presence. I have no reason to lead any astray, but to share the love He has given me.
For He is living, and I am ever cognizance of it.
I walk and breath and live knowing that He is there every second of my life.
And so close I might add, as close as my lips, need I just whisper His name.

Peace>>>AJ

 

[look3467]

Your premise is again based on the SELF. >>>Sanctus

Because Santus, it is between me and Him.

I am the recipient of His grace directly from Him, not the church. The churches teaches about Him, but have no power to convey what the Holy Spirit can convey.

Without the Holy Spirit, all churches would be dead!

He is the one who touches us, the mover and shaker of our hearts.

He is God, in Spirit, the comforter promised by our Lord, that should dwell in the hearts of man.

What other reason would I have to seek something else when I have the real thing.

Blessed be our Lord and Savior Jesus, His Father and His precious Holy Spirit, who is ever so gentle, kind and loving.

To Him be all praise, honor and Glory for ever, Amen!

Peace>>>AJ

 

[look3467]

The word says: in this case, the bible for clarification: "My people are being destroyed for lack of knowledge".

Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

In other words, living and dieing without God.

Had we not teach them to read and learn from the word so that they also may live?

If I live, why not them also?

Why not share this wonderful news, good news?

God is great enough to deal with each individual separately.

All they need is a heart for God.

Peace>>>AJ