Yes I was. I said I was no more saying they were dense than you were saying they were dense. You brought it up. So yes, you didn't understand me and yes, I attribute that to presently confirmed predisposition.
How can we get rid of our sinfulness?
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Yes I was. I said I was no more saying they were dense than you were saying they were dense. You brought it up. So yes, you didn't understand me and yes, I attribute that to presently confirmed predisposition.
Is that why Christanity is one of the largest and most powerful religions in the world? Evangalists in North America have incredible political and finanical status. To say you don't have the freedom to practice your Christian faith ecspecially in North America, would be lying to yourself. I think it's harder to be a Jew or Islamic in North America than it is to be a Christian.
If a person is bored in church, then they shouldn't be there, as church is only a place where people
gather to listen to some "person" spout their messages, or the messages in their book. If one is
interested in that sort of thing, then by all means go, and you will probably enjoy yourself. Noone
should think they "have" to go to church to please anyone. Whatever you believe, is what you
believe, it is neither wrong or right, it is yours to do with as you want, and if you want to change
it, change it, don't think you have to please anyone else. It's all inside of you. If you feel religious
and believe holy things, you don't have to go to church to prove it to anyone.
Religious people should "never" point their fingers at anyone and tell them what they should do
in regards to religion, it is a personal choice. What is good for you might not be good for me, so
gather with people, (or not) who you are happy being with, whether it be church, or any
kind of gathering.
I went to church, and catholic school up to grade 5. I attended numerous church gatherings over each
year, wide eyed, and obeying all the teachings, and worried everytime I said something "not perfect" that
I would go to hell.
When I got over all of that , I became much more relaxed and learned to entirely think for myself, not
for someone in a robe, who told me what I should do and think all the time.
I am not religious at all, and I am happy, and I do go into a church once in a while to hear my
daughter play her flute with a group of singers, and "she" isn't religious either, just likes to
gather with her friends and play music.
how can we be seperate from god if god created us, and can you try to answer in your own words without using a million bible verse??? not trying to be rude, but would you do that in a conversation, start whipping out bible verses?>>>mapleleafgirl
Death is separation.
Recall this verse:
Here Adam and Eve are driven out, separated from the presence of God, barred from the entrance and from “the tree of life”.
This separation brought death to their souls.
Death then is being separated from the possibility of re-entering Heaven.
We are not evil, but have the potential to do evil.
I have to give you a verse here which best explains what I am saying:
“Subject to” = prone to = likely to be affected by or with a tendency to be affected by a particular thing = ruled = under the control of somebody or something such as a ruler or a law, and obliged to obey >>>Encarta Dictionary
Therefore, being born in the flesh, we are subject to the desires of the flesh.
So, if we were separated by birth from God by Adam, and subject to whelms of the flesh; of all people we are the most miserable without God. (Like a living hell)
So, God introduces a second Adam, and this second Adam brings “life” to a death soul.
We cannot have a re-birth if we are not dead first.
Sorry for the various verses, but the bible is the source by which we may be instructed by.
Here’s the verses:
What it is saying is that Adam brought life to the flesh, while Jesus brings life to the soul.
There are then two distinct births: 1. from Adam for the flesh and 2. from God for our spirit.
Jesus is pointing to that fact.
Peace>>>AJ
Death is separation.
Recall this verse:
Here Adam and Eve are driven out, separated from the presence of God, barred from the entrance and from “the tree of life”.
This separation brought death to their souls.
Death then is being separated from the possibility of re-entering Heaven.
We are not evil, but have the potential to do evil.
I have to give you a verse here which best explains what I am saying:
“Subject to” = prone to = likely to be affected by or with a tendency to be affected by a particular thing = ruled = under the control of somebody or something such as a ruler or a law, and obliged to obey >>>Encarta Dictionary
Therefore, being born in the flesh, we are subject to the desires of the flesh.
So, if we were separated by birth from God by Adam, and subject to whelms of the flesh; of all people we are the most miserable without God. (Like a living hell)
So, God introduces a second Adam, and this second Adam brings “life” to a death soul.
We cannot have a re-birth if we are not dead first.
Sorry for the various verses, but the bible is the source by which we may be instructed by.
Here’s the verses:
What it is saying is that Adam brought life to the flesh, while Jesus brings life to the soul.
There are then two distinct births: 1. from Adam for the flesh and 2. from God for our spirit.
Jesus is pointing to that fact.
Peace>>>AJ
Perhaps, but in a sense you are illustrating what I am talking about. In other words, if you believe in God and accept His Church, one of the obligations of membership in the Church is to attend Mass. You do so to receive the Sacrament, which is a duty of a Christian. You are not at Mass because of the priest or the enjoyment factor. It's not a show.
"Spouting the message" is one of the points of Mass, for it is the obligation of the clergy to illustrate the Gospel read at Mass for the edification of the parishioners.
What sort of "religious people"?
If you are talking about people in the neighbourhood, you're right. It is certainly not the duty of a Christian to tell anyone else what to do. Certainly they should share their faith with others, but not to the point of telling others what they should do. Better they live their faith as example actually.
As for the clergy, that is part of their pastoral duties to instruct their flock, and sometimes to correct the opinions and notions of their people.
Church is not a social club, despite what allot of people believe. It is something created by God and it is through His Church that we are given His Gospel, and His Sacraments.
If you identify yourself with a particular denomination, you are obligated to follow the doctrines of that denomination to ensure your membership.Just as any "club", there are rules to follow if you wish to be a member.
???? Would you mind elaborating on this a bit?? what are you writing in reference to??
I would disagree, to a certain extent. Yes, we are free to worship as we please, but you would be blind indeed if you think non-Christian religions are hard done by these days. All sorts of accomodations are made for members of pagan religions. It is Christian symbols and beliefs that are very much under attack in Canada. Frankly, the immigrant minority groups are never instructed NOT to display their symbols or express their beliefs, whereas the Church is frequently being ushered out of public conciousness by the PC evangelists.
We are living in a very secular-humanist world these days. Canada has become so politcally correct that if the representatives of the Church express any opinion contrary to the PC agenda, they are attacked for being hate-mongers or bigots.
Some years ago, a Baptist pastor out west(I think in Alberta but I cannot recall exactly where off-hand) was brought on charges for hate literature. His church had bought billobard space, I believe, and had put up Bible verses condemning homosexual behaviour.
The pro-homosexual lobby groups lost their collective mind and indicated they found these verses hateful.
The moral of the story is, Canada today preaches a gospel of freedom of speech, as long as that speech is not from the Church.
I don't think anyone is capable of being fully one way or the other. I cannot see the wisdom in believing that some people are fully good and others fully evil. We are complex beings who have all the varities of behaviour and emotion with our souls.
It is not in our nature to be born evil, but it is in our nature to be born with the stain of original sin. Basically that does not imply we are born bad, but rather that we are born with the predisposition to be attracted to sinful behaviour.
WE make the choices on how we are to behave or speak!
Maybe you are more relaxed, but thinking for yourself? What is that? It seems to me you have replaced one set of thinking for another, more humanist centred set of standards. When we do we really think for ourselves? Aren't we always influenced by our desires and our spiritual laziness?
okay, serious question okay? spritiual laziness?? how are we spitirually lazy..is it like we dont want to go to church? or is it something else?
okay, i get what youre saying..but i still dont get how you can say guys like hitler was not toally evil. he killed all those jews and stuff.
so do you think we are or were actually a christian country at one point?/really/
Going to church is one part of spiritual laziness. But it is not the whole story. As people, we tend to submit ourselves to our own desires and lusts. It is far easier to give in to those desires and lusts than to try and control them. We know, in the deepest parts of our souls, that God exists, but we do not feel like connecting with Him. Many of us also do not want to submit to the will of God for that would require us to give up behaviour we find pleasing. Instead, the modern trend is to create new versions of God and label it paganism, spirituality, or some such other false doctrine. It is far easier to make up a god than to accept the will of the one true God.
We don't know the contents of the man's heart when he died. Nobody knows that about anyone! But Hitler was a man just like any other man. Certainly he had good and bad qualities. Our problem with his image is we have been so distorted by the propaganda we forget he was just a man. I am by no means defending his actions, by the way. And point of fact, Hitler did not kill one Jew. In fact, he didn't kill a single person in his political career. Others did because of the political ideology he put into place in Germany.