She must have been a newbie. Any experienced L&D nurse knows not to try to catch the fainting man, we just "ease them to the floor"
. It is strange you say that cause one of the dads that passed out on me was a doctor.Deconstructing the veil.
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She must have been a newbie. Any experienced L&D nurse knows not to try to catch the fainting man, we just "ease them to the floor"
. It is strange you say that cause one of the dads that passed out on me was a doctor.
She must have been a newbie. Any experienced L&D nurse knows not to try to catch the fainting man, we just "ease them to the floor"
just goes to show ya, when we see our loved ones in distress, and emotions are high, even the seemingly strong can sucome to the slightest thing.
You don't understand why these women don't want to remove their veils. Its a cultural/religious faux pas for some devote Muslim women to expose their faces to men. Western women would feel similarly uncomfortable if they were required to strip naked every time they crossed a border or had an ID photograph taken. Its not so much the act of exposing their faces, but exposing their faces to men that offends their sensibilities.
We have no right to force women against their will to bare their faces for men.
A reasonable compromise would be to have female photographers and border guards. We still know who they are without embarassment or humiliation. If that's not good enough, amend the law to accept fingerprints as ID instead of a photo.
Personally I'm in favor of everyone getting naked passport photos taken and crossing airport security and customs in the nude. I would be ok with banning clothing completely on airplanes. We already ban smoking cigarettes for safety/security reasons. Why not clothing too?
That's odd, the law is powerfull to protect from the people wearing masks, who could be burglers, killers or simply people having fun, but not from wome wearing veils. Smart! (not)
The old man wearing speedo walking on the beach is very obvious who he is, isn't he, if something happens, for example a rape there is a chance of recognizing that man, isn't it?
I remember my little one cried in fear when he saw woman sat opposite us in the train completely covering her face and with the opening for the eyes, I shievered myself a bit, we had to move sits, cause my little one was too scared, do you people think we were wrong and offensive towards the poor woman?
Wrong and offensive? No but your fear is irrational. Irrational fear is no reason to take away someone's rights.
Society should not prohibit a women from wearing a burka except in cases where that would be justified by safety and security reasons. If we force women to expose their faces to men for any other reasons then we are taking away their right to choose.
This is about our freedom of choice. Our freedoms should not be curtailed because of irrational fear, ignorance, prejudice or racism.
If we create laws based on irrational fear, ignorance, prejudice or racism which control what people can wear or not wear, where does that end. Should Nun's habits also be illegal? My brother in-law has a tacky shirt that I think should be illegal just because of the colors alone. Should I write my MP?
Accepting/embracing our differences and tolerance are part of what makes Canada a great country. I don't want my Canada to be associated with intolance, ignorance, prejudice and irrational fear.
Society should not prohibit a women from wearing a burka except in cases where that would be justified by safety and security reasons. If we force women to expose their faces to men for any other reasons then we are taking away their right to choose.
This is about our freedom of choice. Our freedoms should not be curtailed because of irrational fear, ignorance, prejudice or racism.
If we create laws based on irrational fear, ignorance, prejudice or racism which control what people can wear or not wear, where does that end. Should Nun's habits also be illegal? My brother in-law has a tacky shirt that I think should be illegal just because of the colors alone. Should I write my MP?
Accepting/embracing our differences and tolerance are part of what makes Canada a great country. I don't want my Canada to be associated with intolance, ignorance, prejudice and irrational fear.
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Okay,it has been already investigated, reported and established that the reason they don't want to expose their faces has nothing to do with religion, even in all other middle eastern countries, including Turkey, even with the most pious of fanatical Muslims' this is not done, their bodies are covered head to toe, but not the faces. So unless you are the world's expert on Mulsim religion then you might want to look at the information available on the internet and through forums for more insight.
This is about a Religion, and the religion does not require the face to be hidden.
Now in the Muslim family structure, the Man who wishes to repress his wife has several ways that are approved by the laws of Islam {and l am taking religion}, one is to beat her, another is genitle mutilation, and another accepted practice is to make sure she is covered, face included, so that the bruises don't show and so that she doesn't get contaminated by us.
It is also considered a show of political defiance.And contempt for the basic rules and courtesies of our society.
Give me a break, we are not taking about their butts!!! And it is about being polite in society. And to 'bare their faces' for women and children, so they don't scare our children. This is a world of freedom and laws that protect that freedom, but here is a relious following who wish to have there own laws, there own criminal punishment, there own world in short, within ours. all the time having riots and violent protests to complain and criticise about the very society they are enjoying.
This is a country that has security measures for a reason, why should Muslims' have a different set of laws from everyone else?? And you are forgetting that it has already been established that the Mosques were not respecting our security measures when they were supporting and recruiting and funding terrorist activities, which by the by, was going to murder hundred of innocent, hard-working Torontoians {is that a word?}.
Our RCMP had to word covertly to stop this from happening because the Muslim community was not only not cooperating, but they were in FACT aiding and abeting terrorist recruitment, plotting and funding.
You need to recognize it is fine to be tolerant, but there comes a place in time when a choice is made by this religion, either stand-up and defend the country whose freedom and generousity you have enjoyed, or go back to a country that supports extremist views. Enough is enough, it is time to get wise and protect our lifestyle and our security measures.
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Earth, These Muslim families are living in a culture that is all about freedom of choice, and if they hold an irrational fear ignorance or racism that prevents them from accepting that it is socially correct to be friendly and polite, then they need to address these irrational fears. And this is not racism, get it right, this is not a race, it is a religious belief.
Your points about nuns, your brother's t-shirt and whatever is irrevelvant and has nothing to do with the security risk and fitting in with society. Both these groups fit in. The nuns contribute and support our society rather than the topic at hand which is a religious group who is creating fear and hatred through rioting and scaring our children.It is fine to get all self-righteous about this but you need to get real about what you are saying. We are in a war, and this religion has in Fact been caught supporting a terrorist act. We have every right to protect our country, and it has nothing to do with your brothers t-shirt or a man's speedo.
That is exactly what this is about!! And by creating a new set of social standards that speaks of intolerance, ignorance, prejudice, and irrational fear --to use your words, is not what our country, or the western world is all about.
When has a law against masks been applied recently? Halloween wouldn't be much fun if we all had to show our real faces and the cops arrested anyone in mask? I see plenty of people walking around in hoodies with sunglasses. I couldn't identify any of them if I were raped, that doesn't mean they aren't allowed to wear them.
The veil argument in everyday life isn't about security like it is at border crossings, airports, etc.
I don't believe my eyes
my kid could have mental problems but the bi***ch should be walking around wearing the bloody veil.Next time I will go to mosque in my bikini - and let them say somethng after, it's my right, the mosque is in the country where I live, it belongs to public, I am interested in their culture, but I overheat
just can't wear anything other than bikini, health issues...
Halloween is one of event, it mostly happens in a friendly atmosfere, people consist generally of non-terrorist minded. But, I guess if things continue the way it is now, they might even need to stop the Halloween one day, thanks to the idiotic fanaticial radical stupid the followers of evil (islam)
If they stop it, it will be because of the irrational paranoia the rest of us have succumbed to. It says as much about us as it does about them.
What you interpret as socially correct and polite, they interpret as immodest and indiscreet. Neither interpretation is correct or wrong.
Wearing a veil most of the time has no impact on anyone's safety or security. But many exceptions would exist:
lifeguard
dangerous equipment operator
driving???
bungee jumping
parachutist
scuba diving
Vegas Showgirl
The veil is out when safety/security trumps personal modesty.
The idea of modesty exists already in our society. We have men's and women's bathrooms. Many fitness centers have a female only section to accomodate all women who would rather not grunt and flex in front of men. The cultural difference betwen some Muslim women and the rest of us who don't understand their behaviour is that their modesty zone includes everything but the eyes, hands and feet. You can't legislate how someone feels.
Women who wear veils are our teachers, nurses, doctors, lawyers, social workers... We are not at war with these people. They are fellow Canadians. Their right to culture/religion is the same as our right to culture/religion. If they are new to this country, we should welcome them and be open to their customs. Not make them feel uncomfortable or exposed.
We all have something to learn and something to teach.
Everyone has prejudices N, even you.
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northstar wrote: It is also considered a show of political defiance.And contempt for the basic rules and courtesies of our society.
That is exactly how I feel, the Veil I have no issue with the Burka yes I think it shouldn't be allowed it is not nor has it ever been a part of Islam, it's a sign of an Extremism. It is not part of the Religion or it's practices, I can't wear a ski mask into the bank under the guise of it is "Part of My Religion" The Church of Cowville. The Veil is a smoke screen for a darker message.
That is exactly how I feel, the Veil I have no issue with the Burka yes I think it shouldn't be allowed it is not nor has it ever been a part of Islam, it's a sign of an Extremism. It is not part of the Religion or it's practices, I can't wear a ski mask into the bank under the guise of it is "Part of My Religion" The Church of Cowville. The Veil is a smoke screen for a darker message.
we wouldn't have the paranoya if they didn't make us have it. Normal reaction
so it's like in the story about a cockroach, where he scared all the animals in the forest and everyone was just terrified to say something, and one day the cockroach became too brave and scared the sh**t out of the big elephant and the elephant jumped nervously in fear and stepped on the poor cockroach... by accident.
but what they realised, is that the cockroach was nothing but a fitlhy small insect, and they continued to live their animal lifes in Peace
First question is - why are these women in this country? why, why, why??? The government decided to stamp their visa, not because government called all of them up and said: hey madam's, we really want you in our country, can you please, please, please come and live with us and amend our constitution of rights, pleaaase?
Second question- why do I need to adapt to those in one country from whom I tried to ran away in another country? Wouldn't it be because I didn't like it there, and if I didn't why didn't I like it there, there must be a huge reason to drop everything and take every possible chance to escape, not knowing how you things will turn out to be, what to expect but just knowing that somehow you will at least be more protected. So Why should I get used to them - not them me in my beautifull western Heven, if they want me to learn their constitution of Koran, I wouldn't like them to come here.
Why don't I have problems with Buddists, Jewish, Atheists, Hindu, why Islam, why is everyone so worried about it? Think about it.
Don't speak for me or patronize me, EARTH. When people realize they have no facts to back up their claims they try to get personal.
You make the following claims-
Sorry, you are wrong as it has already been pointed out on this post, the NEW widespread adoption of masking there face is not about modesty at all, it is not about religion at all. We have already established this. If you want to bakc this up with a news article or a quote or some proof, then it will be qualified. As it stands now it is an opinion backed up with a patronizing attitude.
Wrong again. The London Terrorist, as a common coward unable to face justice, tried to escape from authorities in London dressed in a BURKA COMPETE WITH SLITTED MASK. I have already presented this.
the only person l see that is prejudice is you, as you sit on the pedestal of self-rightousness about tolerating a intolerance. Of supporting a prejudice against our rights and freedoms. Your personal attacks and lack of contribution of facts show me that you are just trying to be right but you can't figure out how to get there.
You make the following claims-
Sorry, you are wrong as it has already been pointed out on this post, the NEW widespread adoption of masking there face is not about modesty at all, it is not about religion at all. We have already established this. If you want to bakc this up with a news article or a quote or some proof, then it will be qualified. As it stands now it is an opinion backed up with a patronizing attitude.
Wrong again. The London Terrorist, as a common coward unable to face justice, tried to escape from authorities in London dressed in a BURKA COMPETE WITH SLITTED MASK. I have already presented this.
That happens to be gender discrimination, check our Freedoms And Human RIGHTS.
the only person l see that is prejudice is you, as you sit on the pedestal of self-rightousness about tolerating a intolerance. Of supporting a prejudice against our rights and freedoms. Your personal attacks and lack of contribution of facts show me that you are just trying to be right but you can't figure out how to get there.
we wouldn't have the paranoya if they didn't make us have it. Normal reaction
No one can MAKE you feel something or MAKE you react to them. That's like a man beating his wife and saying "well she MADE me so mad it's her fault". We're all adults, I think we can all control our irrational fears better than that.
I'm going to ignore the cockroach part of your post.
Because you chose to come to a country that doesn't share your prejudice against all things Islamic. You came here as an immigrant and have all the same rights they do, no more and no less. If you want to escape from all muslims, you are going to have to find a country that doesn't allow them. Canada, the UK and the US all allow muslims. Why should that change to accomodate ONE person or ONE group of immigrants?
People of many groups have come to Canada at one point or another to escape persecutors. Once they get here, they are all equal. My polish grandma was never thrilled with the germans, but that didn't stop my uncle from marrying a german girl. When people come here they have to let go of the old fights or they don't really belong here.
Love the cockroach comment, at least it has some comparision value to the topic.
And as for the garbage about feeling, earth, this isn't about personal feelings, why can you not keep on topic.
This is about the freedom to have our children feel safe in schools and in their community. It is also about standing up for our freedoms. The Muslims persist in trying to turn the tables on Western society, by being rude and socially showing contempt. It is like they need a wall around there little world, while enjoying the fruits of our labour. It doesn't need to be be this way, and it has only started post 9/11.
And as for the garbage about feeling, earth, this isn't about personal feelings, why can you not keep on topic.
This is about the freedom to have our children feel safe in schools and in their community. It is also about standing up for our freedoms. The Muslims persist in trying to turn the tables on Western society, by being rude and socially showing contempt. It is like they need a wall around there little world, while enjoying the fruits of our labour. It doesn't need to be be this way, and it has only started post 9/11.