Hamas attacks Israel

[Ron in Regina]

Did you? Cry on Oct 7th I mean? It was more shock for me two+ years ago, but that was two+ years ago, & I think we’re all hardened towards that sort of horseshit and images at this point.

Hamas and friends aren't up on genocide charges and crimes against humanity going back 9 years before Oct 7

Yeah.

Hilarious with all this "Why isn't Canada going to say anything?"

Carney on behalf of Canada, without asking Canada, already blew his wad.

Israel launches air strikes in Gaza, accusing Hamas of 'blatant violation of ceasefire' — BBC News

Hamas said it was "unaware of any events or clashes" in Rafah. It remains unclear if this will affect the ceasefire deal.

apple.news

Yes. A power vacuum is another war crime.

Yeah.

 

[spaminator]

greta goes to gaza so often she might as well be given gazanian shitizenship.

lady gaza.

 

[petros]

Did you? Cry on Oct 7th I mean? It was more shock for me two+ years ago, but that was two+ years ago, & I think we’re all hardened towards that sort of horseshit and images at this point.

Yeah.

Carney on behalf of Canada, without asking Canada, already blew his wad.

Israel launches air strikes in Gaza, accusing Hamas of 'blatant violation of ceasefire' — BBC News

Hamas said it was "unaware of any events or clashes" in Rafah. It remains unclear if this will affect the ceasefire deal.

apple.news

Yeah.

So Israel blew the ceasefire already? Who didn't see that coming?

 

[Ron in Regina]

So Israel blew the ceasefire already? Who didn't see that coming?

Wow. Ok.

(YouTube & Hamas attacks Israeli forces, IDF strikes back in Gaza)

 

[petros]

Wow. Ok.

(YouTube & Hamas attacks Israeli forces, IDF strikes back in Gaza)

What does Hamas gain?

What does Israel gain.

Do the math.

 

[Ron in Regina]

What does Hamas gain?

What does Israel gain.

Do the math.

What do either gain? What did either gain from breaking the cease-fire that was in place Oct 6th 2023?


He said/She said, and round and round and round it goes…

 

[petros]

What do either gain? What did either gain from breaking the cease-fire that was in place Oct 6th 2023?
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He said/She said, and round and round and round it goes…

You've never heard of Greater Israel? How about openly talking in support of ethnic cleansing and genocide? They don't fucking care. Listen to their words.

 

[Ron in Regina]

You've never heard of Greater Israel? How about openly talking in support of ethnic cleansing and genocide? They don't fucking care. Listen to their words.

Yeah, I’ve heard you throw that out there. What are you trying to say here? Which “they” & “their” are you referring to here?

What do either gain? What did either gain from breaking the cease-fire that was in place Oct 6th 2023?

You’re bringing this up again in response to this?

 

[petros]

Yeah, I’ve heard you throw that out there. What are you trying to say here? Which “they” & “their” are you referring to here?

You’re bringing this up again in response to this?

Let's make this easy. Name 1 hasbara you DIDNT fall for.

You've heard it chucked around by me? Never Netanyahu? Its not in the Likud Party mandate?

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has publicly described the pursuit of a "Greater Israel"—encompassing expanded territories beyond current borders, including parts of the West Bank, Gaza, and potentially neighboring areas—as a "mission of generations," signaling a long-term, multi-generational commitment rather than a temporary goal.

In an August 13, 2025, interview on i24NEWS, when asked about his connection to the "Greater Israel" vision, Netanyahu stated: “I am on a mission of generations… So, if you are asking whether I feel this is a historical and spiritual mission, the answer is yes.” He also affirmed his support by saying "absolutely" when asked if he subscribes to the idea and "very much" when questioned about feeling connected to it.61f71ce8b385

Netanyahu's Commitment to Greater Israel | Shared Grok Conversation

Has Israel said it will never stop greater Israel.

grok.com

 

[Ron in Regina]

Let's me this easy. Name 1 hasbara you DIDNT fall for.

You've heard it chucked around by me? Never Netanyahu? Its not in the Likud Party mandate?

You know, I don’t totally swim in this pond. My exposure mostly comes from here, & if something peaks my curiosity, I look at it further.

Taking a step back from the theory, the one that you’re putting out right now, let’s really look at it. In the last 75+ years, Israel has had to fight pretty much constantly just to try and maintain its current borders, including to this day, right? And you’re trying to say that it’s going to expand over top of all of it Neighbours?

How does Israel walking away from Gaza (that it took from Egypt in the 1967 mid-June war), or returning the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt that again leads back to the 1967 mid-June war…how does this fit into your theory? Me, I think it’s just a big distraction thrown out there to try and justify the ongoing goat rodeo. You are entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to mine.

I’m sure you can find fringe elements (definitely not mainstream) that you can quote, to justify your theory, & good on you. Would Israel, being a relatively tiny country, & and a democracy, with actual elections…would their population in an actual election support this? I’m thinking not, but that’s just me and my opinion.

 

[petros]

Poor poor Israel. Founded on terrorism but its a struggle for them to maintain the innocent "pity us" routine cuz Holocaust and 75 year of Oct7s on Palestinians is there God given right?

Its time for a new song and dance.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Poor poor Israel. Founded on terrorism but its a struggle for them to maintain the innocent "pity us" routine cuz Holocaust and 75 year of Oct7s on Palestinians is there God given right?

Its time for a new song and dance.

Wow. Ok. This has what to do with supporting your theory? You’re the one throwing it out here again…

You've never heard of Greater Israel? How about openly talking in support of ethnic cleansing and genocide? They don't fucking care. Listen to their words.

Anyway, back to the reality on the ground today:

The Rafah crossing has largely been shut since May 2024. The ceasefire deal also includes the ramping up of aid to Gaza, where hundreds of thousands of people were determined in August to be affected by famine, according to the IPC global hunger monitor.

The crossing has in previous ceasefires functioned as a key conduit for humanitarian aid to flow into the enclave.

Although the flow of aid through another crossing has increased significantly since the ceasefire began, the United Nations says far more is needed.

Key questions of Hamas disarming, the future governance of Gaza, the make-up of an international "stabilization force", and moves towards the creation of a Palestinian state have yet to be resolved.

Here’s a (one continuous) screenshot from this very news story, & the things (some of them) that have me questioning…things.

If “militants” in this area in southern Gaza, around this Rafah border crossing “allegedly” fired upon IDF troops and “allegedly” fired an anti-tank weapon at the same IDF, & “allegedly” Hamas (or the armed wing of Hamas) hasn’t had contact with groups there since March (so for 1/2 a year?) and this Rafah crossing has “largely” been shut down since May of 2024 (so for a year and a half)…
1) How is there a market in Nureirat if the border crossing has been mostly closed for 18-ish months?
2) Where are the goods at this market that Palestinians are rushing out to buy stuff from coming from?
3) How would Reuters even know about this?
4) If Reuters can know about this immediately or damn close to it, communication wise, How can Hamas claim it hasn’t had communication with its militants in that area for 1/2 a year?

Israel strikes Gaza after two soldiers killed, in gravest test of truce so far — Reuters

Israel launched a series of strikes in Gaza on Sunday and said it was halting aid into the enclave in response to attacks on its forces that killed two soldiers, in the most serious test yet of this month's U.S.-brokered ceasefire.

apple.news

That’s my questions just from that small screenshot from this one new story from today. Does that make me or anyone else that doesn’t agree with your opinion an Israeli Hasbara plant on the Interwebs, or are these legitimate questions based on the information available?

 

[petros]

Wow. Ok. This has what to do with supporting your theory? You’re the one throwing it out here again…

Anyway, back to the reality on the ground today:

The Rafah crossing has largely been shut since May 2024. The ceasefire deal also includes the ramping up of aid to Gaza, where hundreds of thousands of people were determined in August to be affected by famine, according to the IPC global hunger monitor.

The crossing has in previous ceasefires functioned as a key conduit for humanitarian aid to flow into the enclave.

Although the flow of aid through another crossing has increased significantly since the ceasefire began, the United Nations says far more is needed.

Key questions of Hamas disarming, the future governance of Gaza, the make-up of an international "stabilization force", and moves towards the creation of a Palestinian state have yet to be resolved.

Here’s a (one continuous) screenshot from this very news story, & the things (some of them) that have me questioning…things.
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If “militants” in this area in southern Gaza, around this Rafah border crossing “allegedly” fired upon IDF troops and “allegedly” fired an anti-tank weapon at the same IDF, & “allegedly” Hamas (or the armed wing of Hamas) hasn’t had contact with groups there since March (so for 1/2 a year?) and this Rafah crossing has “largely” been shut down since May of 2024 (so for a year and a half)…
1) How is there a market in Nureirat if the border crossing has been mostly closed for 18-ish months?
2) Where are the goods at this market that Palestinians are rushing out to buy stuff from coming from?
3) How would Reuters even know about this?
4) If Reuters can know about this immediately or damn close to it, communication wise, How can Hamas claim it hasn’t had communication with its militants in that area for 1/2 a year?

Israel strikes Gaza after two soldiers killed, in gravest test of truce so far — Reuters

Israel launched a series of strikes in Gaza on Sunday and said it was halting aid into the enclave in response to attacks on its forces that killed two soldiers, in the most serious test yet of this month's U.S.-brokered ceasefire.

apple.news

That’s my questions just from that small screenshot from this one new story from today. Does that make me or anyone else that doesn’t agree with your opinion an Israeli Hasbara plant on the Interwebs, or are these legitimate questions based on the information available?

My theory of Greater Israel being policy?

This theory?

Netanyahu's Commitment to Greater Israel | Shared Grok Conversation

Has Israel said it will never stop greater Israel.

grok.com

Meanwhile in Realityland...

From Haaretz.....

GAZA: The IDF said it struck targets across Gaza after armed militants emerged from a tunnel and fired anti-tank missiles at IDF forces near the humanitarian aid route in the city, calling the attack a "blatant violation of the cease-fire agreement" and that it would respond "with force." Later on Sunday, Israel's government ordered the IDF to halt all entry of aid into the Strip "until further notice." (Collective punishment is another War Crime)

• The IDF announced that two soldiers were killed in the attack: Major Yaniv Kula, 26 and and Staff Sgt. Itay Yavetz, 21.
  
  
• Arab media reported airstrikes in southern Gaza's Rafah, in Jabalya, Nuseirat and Deir al-Balah. Gazan medics said 13 Palestinians were killed, mostly in central Gaza. According to the Hamas-run Health Ministry, 68,159 people have been killed in the Strip since the beginning of the war on October 7, 2023. The ministry added that Israel has handed over the bodies of 15 Palestinians via the International Red Cross on Sunday, and that a total of 150 bodies were handed over by Israel since the start of the cease-fire. According to the ministry, some of the bodies showed signs of being beaten.

• Hamas responded by saying it is committed to the cease-fire, and that it has "no connection" to the attack on Israeli forces, which was in an area "under Israeli control, and we cannot communicate with any of our fighters there." Senior Hamas official Izzat al-Risheq said that Israel "continues to violate the agreement," and that PM Netanyahu is being pressured by his "extremist terrorist coalition."
  
  
• Israel's Defense Minister Israel Katz said he and Netanyahu "instructed the IDF to act forcefully against Hamas' terror targets in Gaza" following the clashes, adding that "if the message is not understood, the intensity of the reactions will increase." Far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir called on Israel to renew the war "in full force

TRUMP'S CEASE-FIRE PLAN: U.S. President Trump told Fox News that if Hamas does not disarm, "we'll have to do it for them…. Whether it's me, or the U.S. or a proxy – could be Israel with our backing," adding that "we're gonna find out" what the timeline of the organization's disarmament is. Asked about the clashes between Israel and Hamas, Trump said that Hamas said that the militants who attacked Israeli forces were "gang members."

The U.S. State Department warned the countries that helped mediate Trump's cease-fire deal that it received "credible reports" that Hamas plans to attack Palestinians in Gaza, and that "measures will be taken to protect the people of Gaza and preserve the integrity of the cease-fire" if necessary.

Hamas denied the claim, blaming Israel for arming and funding "criminal gangs" that murder and looting aid trucks. According to Hamas, local police forces in Gaza are attempting to "chase these gangs down" with widespread civilian support.

 

[petros]

My theory of Greater Israel being policy?

This theory?

Netanyahu's Commitment to Greater Israel | Shared Grok Conversation

Has Israel said it will never stop greater Israel.

grok.com

Meanwhile in Realityland...

From Haaretz.....

GAZA: The IDF said it struck targets across Gaza after armed militants emerged from a tunnel and fired anti-tank missiles at IDF forces near the humanitarian aid route in the city, calling the attack a "blatant violation of the cease-fire agreement" and that it would respond "with force." Later on Sunday, Israel's government ordered the IDF to halt all entry of aid into the Strip "until further notice." (Collective punishment is another War Crime)

• The IDF announced that two soldiers were killed in the attack: Major Yaniv Kula, 26 and and Staff Sgt. Itay Yavetz, 21.
  
  
• Arab media reported airstrikes in southern Gaza's Rafah, in Jabalya, Nuseirat and Deir al-Balah. Gazan medics said 13 Palestinians were killed, mostly in central Gaza. According to the Hamas-run Health Ministry, 68,159 people have been killed in the Strip since the beginning of the war on October 7, 2023. The ministry added that Israel has handed over the bodies of 15 Palestinians via the International Red Cross on Sunday, and that a total of 150 bodies were handed over by Israel since the start of the cease-fire. According to the ministry, some of the bodies showed signs of being beaten.

• Hamas responded by saying it is committed to the cease-fire, and that it has "no connection" to the attack on Israeli forces, which was in an area "under Israeli control, and we cannot communicate with any of our fighters there." Senior Hamas official Izzat al-Risheq said that Israel "continues to violate the agreement," and that PM Netanyahu is being pressured by his "extremist terrorist coalition."
  
  
• Israel's Defense Minister Israel Katz said he and Netanyahu "instructed the IDF to act forcefully against Hamas' terror targets in Gaza" following the clashes, adding that "if the message is not understood, the intensity of the reactions will increase." Far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir called on Israel to renew the war "in full force

TRUMP'S CEASE-FIRE PLAN: U.S. President Trump told Fox News that if Hamas does not disarm, "we'll have to do it for them…. Whether it's me, or the U.S. or a proxy – could be Israel with our backing," adding that "we're gonna find out" what the timeline of the organization's disarmament is. Asked about the clashes between Israel and Hamas, Trump said that Hamas said that the militants who attacked Israeli forces were "gang members."

The U.S. State Department warned the countries that helped mediate Trump's cease-fire deal that it received "credible reports" that Hamas plans to attack Palestinians in Gaza, and that "measures will be taken to protect the people of Gaza and preserve the integrity of the cease-fire" if necessary.

Hamas denied the claim, blaming Israel for arming and funding "criminal gangs" that murder and looting aid trucks. According to Hamas, local police forces in Gaza are attempting to "chase these gangs down" with widespread civilian support.

Israel's Involvement and Admissions

Official Confirmation: On June 5, 2025, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu publicly admitted to "activating powerful clans in Gaza" opposed to Hamas, providing them with weapons (including Kalashnikovs seized from Hamas) and financial support as part of a Shin Bet-orchestrated program. He defended it by saying, "What’s wrong with that? It only saves the lives of IDF soldiers."154d6f3486e5f52985dfe04a

Mechanism: Israel routes aid through U.S.-backed systems like the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), where these militias provide "security" for convoys in exchange for access. Abu Shabab has acknowledged coordinating with the IDF, and videos show his fighters alongside Israeli soldiers. Critics, including UN officials, argue this facilitates theft by allowing gangs to operate in "kill zones" patrolled by Israel.0bf3bec9285f40175b

Israeli Criticism: Opposition figures like Lieberman condemned it as arming "criminals and felons," wasting taxpayer money, and creating a new threat akin to ISIS. Even Netanyahu's allies have expressed concerns about long-term risks.5b9729634ea706a3cb

Israel Funds Gangs in Gaza | Shared Grok Conversation

Did Israel pay and arm militant ISIS linked gangs in Gaza to steal aid?

grok.com

 

[Ron in Regina]

My theory of Greater Israel being policy?

This theory?

Netanyahu's Commitment to Greater Israel | Shared Grok Conversation

Has Israel said it will never stop greater Israel.

grok.com

Meanwhile in Realityland...

From Haaretz.....

GAZA: The IDF said it struck targets across Gaza after armed militants emerged from a tunnel and fired anti-tank missiles at IDF forces near the humanitarian aid route in the city, calling the attack a "blatant violation of the cease-fire agreement" and that it would respond "with force." Later on Sunday, Israel's government ordered the IDF to halt all entry of aid into the Strip "until further notice." (Collective punishment is another War Crime)

• The IDF announced that two soldiers were killed in the attack: Major Yaniv Kula, 26 and and Staff Sgt. Itay Yavetz, 21.
  
  
• Arab media reported airstrikes in southern Gaza's Rafah, in Jabalya, Nuseirat and Deir al-Balah. Gazan medics said 13 Palestinians were killed, mostly in central Gaza. According to the Hamas-run Health Ministry, 68,159 people have been killed in the Strip since the beginning of the war on October 7, 2023. The ministry added that Israel has handed over the bodies of 15 Palestinians via the International Red Cross on Sunday, and that a total of 150 bodies were handed over by Israel since the start of the cease-fire. According to the ministry, some of the bodies showed signs of being beaten.

• Hamas responded by saying it is committed to the cease-fire, and that it has "no connection" to the attack on Israeli forces, which was in an area "under Israeli control, and we cannot communicate with any of our fighters there." Senior Hamas official Izzat al-Risheq said that Israel "continues to violate the agreement," and that PM Netanyahu is being pressured by his "extremist terrorist coalition."
  
  
• Israel's Defense Minister Israel Katz said he and Netanyahu "instructed the IDF to act forcefully against Hamas' terror targets in Gaza" following the clashes, adding that "if the message is not understood, the intensity of the reactions will increase." Far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir called on Israel to renew the war "in full force

TRUMP'S CEASE-FIRE PLAN: U.S. President Trump told Fox News that if Hamas does not disarm, "we'll have to do it for them…. Whether it's me, or the U.S. or a proxy – could be Israel with our backing," adding that "we're gonna find out" what the timeline of the organization's disarmament is. Asked about the clashes between Israel and Hamas, Trump said that Hamas said that the militants who attacked Israeli forces were "gang members."

The U.S. State Department warned the countries that helped mediate Trump's cease-fire deal that it received "credible reports" that Hamas plans to attack Palestinians in Gaza, and that "measures will be taken to protect the people of Gaza and preserve the integrity of the cease-fire" if necessary.

Hamas denied the claim, blaming Israel for arming and funding "criminal gangs" that murder and looting aid trucks. According to Hamas, local police forces in Gaza are attempting to "chase these gangs down" with widespread civilian support.

Yeah, Ok, & with Israel, being a democracy, what did the other 10 million-ish (or the majority there of) Israelis say about this?

Israel's Involvement and Admissions

Official Confirmation: On June 5, 2025, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu publicly admitted to "activating powerful clans in Gaza" opposed to Hamas, providing them with weapons (including Kalashnikovs seized from Hamas) and financial support as part of a Shin Bet-orchestrated program. He defended it by saying, "What’s wrong with that? It only saves the lives of IDF soldiers."154d6f3486e5f52985dfe04a

Mechanism: Israel routes aid through U.S.-backed systems like the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation (GHF), where these militias provide "security" for convoys in exchange for access. Abu Shabab has acknowledged coordinating with the IDF, and videos show his fighters alongside Israeli soldiers. Critics, including UN officials, argue this facilitates theft by allowing gangs to operate in "kill zones" patrolled by Israel.0bf3bec9285f40175b

Israeli Criticism: Opposition figures like Lieberman condemned it as arming "criminals and felons," wasting taxpayer money, and creating a new threat akin to ISIS. Even Netanyahu's allies have expressed concerns about long-term risks.5b9729634ea706a3cb

Israel Funds Gangs in Gaza | Shared Grok Conversation

Did Israel pay and arm militant ISIS linked gangs in Gaza to steal aid?

grok.com

So, you’re saying, before this peace agreement was proposed, and supposedly accepted by both sides in this goat rodeo…

That previous to this happening, Israel gave some of the weapons seized from Hamas to some of their enemies in Gaza? If you ask your AI something along these lines like, “Did Israel provide aid & arms to all of Hamas’s enemies & rivals in Gaza?” What would it say?

I’m not sure how to tell you this, other than to just tell you this, but even the country you currently reside in, has considered Hamas a terrorist entity for the last couple decades. They’re (Hamas) not wearing the white hats in this Western. Not that there’s anybody innocent on either side of this conflict, but Hamas are not by default the good guys and thus completely trustworthy in their claims because they’re not the Jews.

 

[petros]

Yeah, Ok, & with Israel, being a democracy, what did the other 10 million-ish (or the majority there of) Israelis say about this?
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So, you’re saying, before this peace agreement was proposed, and supposedly accepted by both sides in this goat rodeo…

That previous to this happening, Israel gave some of the weapons seized from Hamas to some of their enemies in Gaza? If you ask your AI something along these lines like, “Did Israel provide aid & arms to all of Hamas’s enemies & rivals in Gaza?” What would it say?

I’m not sure how to tell you this, other than to just tell you this, but even the country you currently reside in, has considered Hamas a terrorist entity for the last couple decades. They’re (Hamas) not wearing the white hats in this Western. Not that there’s anybody innocent on either side of this conflict, but Hamas are not by default the good guys and thus completely trustworthy in their claims because they’re not the Jews.

Its a forced on Israel agreement. They have no fucking choice.

Its not fringe Ron. Its why the NYD came to be.

As for democracy, Israelis don't know the mandate of the Likud Party? Why wouldn't they know? Is Likud fringe?

Are you fringe?

 

[petros]

Yeah, Ok, & with Israel, being a democracy, what did the other 10 million-ish (or the majority there of) Israelis say about this?
View attachment 31670

So, you’re saying, before this peace agreement was proposed, and supposedly accepted by both sides in this goat rodeo…

That previous to this happening, Israel gave some of the weapons seized from Hamas to some of their enemies in Gaza? If you ask your AI something along these lines like, “Did Israel provide aid & arms to all of Hamas’s enemies & rivals in Gaza?” What would it say?

I’m not sure how to tell you this, other than to just tell you this, but even the country you currently reside in, has considered Hamas a terrorist entity for the last couple decades. They’re (Hamas) not wearing the white hats in this Western. Not that there’s anybody innocent on either side of this conflict, but Hamas are not by default the good guys and thus completely trustworthy in their claims because they’re not the Jews.

Netanyahu is AI? His words are fake?

Are you delusional?

Ignoring shit doesn't make it go away. It may not stink after two weeks but that shit is still shit and its still there.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Question for everybody. . . Seriously, why do you even care about the fighting in some obscure region halfway around the world where there's ALWAYS fighting?

Is it the oil? Is that the real source of all this faux concern?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Question for everybody. . . Seriously, why do you even care about the fighting in some obscure region halfway around the world where there's ALWAYS fighting?

Is it the oil? Is that the real source of all this faux concern?

We have our oil, more than enough. For me it’s a curiosity factor cycling through the news cycle.

Honestly, thought we solved the issue back on about Oct 8th 2023…with Memes, but apparently not.

 

[Serryah]

Question for everybody. . . Seriously, why do you even care about the fighting in some obscure region halfway around the world where there's ALWAYS fighting?

Is it the oil? Is that the real source of all this faux concern?

You aren't wrong that the region is one that doesn't seem to ever stop fucking fighting regardless. Where wars are blood based and go back literal centuries.

For me?

I give a shit because it DOESN'T just affect that region of the world. It ties into any country that has anything to do with the countries there, it ties into the people from the region who have moved elsewhere in the world for whatever reason, and what goes on there being brought to that country whether 'wanted' or not. I mean, I doubt Jews REALLY want to bring in war or conflict to places like Canada, and I doubt Muslims REALLY want to bring in war or conflict either, but because of the shit going on where they have family - just like, say, anyone from Ukraine or Russia will - that 'war back there' IS going to bleed here.

And I give a shit because it's not right how it all is there. That there are fucking Israeli's who are acting like the very people who almost wiped out their existence. That there are terrorists who use extreme interpretations of their religions - Jewish or Islamic - to kill people. That there are Palestinians being ruled by a group that would rather see their own people dead than realize they are the reason for a lot of the suffering of their people too.

I care because it fucking bothers me these people all over the region are the example of why humans are fucking HORRIBLE animals and keep proving daily just how depraved we can be.

I care because they are the prime examples of who I DON'T want to be like. They are the prime examples of what humans as a whole should NOT be like, but we WILL if we don't say anything at all, if we don't care at all.

I'm not the type to go to the extremes of some - I won't go to the ME at all, ever, in my life, because IMO they're just too fucking crazy and unpredictable. BUT that doesn't mean I won't support the people who want change, support those who are just trying to live their lives, and speak out against the wrongs going on there.

Fuck the oil, I don't give a shit about that at all and rather see it as one of the causes of the continued problems there.