The New York Declaration.

[Ron in Regina]

Go cry somewhere else.

Yeah, you do realize that, I don’t think anyone here is crying, or are either Palestinian or Israeli, and this is more of an abstract topic and concept to debate, right?

On that note, I’ve got a few questions since you’re the expert here deciding what is or isn’t relevant, what does or doesn’t matter, and so on and so forth, etc…

1) In that New York Declaration on Palestine 18 page Micro-pdf attachment, with its 142 countries that support the creation of a Palestinian state, how many of those 142 countries still don’t recognize the Israeli state that’s existed since 1948?

2) What in that 18 page PDF on the 7 page declaration details (or at least outlines) the enforcement mechanism tied to this declaration? You speak as if someone somehow is going to evict Israel from what’s currently (since Jordan renamed it after they annexed it) called the West Bank. How do you envision that taking place and enforced in what manner?

3) The same declaration also states that the PA (after its reformed, their statement & not mine) will eventually govern Gaza, & that Hamas will have nothing to do with the governance of Gaza. Is this point in this declaration optional or negotiable?

4) The same declaration also states that Hamas would be disarmed. Is that point in this declaration optional or negotiable?

5) If these above points are optional or negotiable, then are other points in that same declaration optional or negotiable?

6) “They” (whomever “they” are) aren’t “fucking around” anymore in what way?

 

[petros]

Yeah, you do realize that, I don’t think anyone here is crying, or are either Palestinian or Israeli, and this is more of an abstract topic and concept to debate, right?

On that note, I’ve got a few questions since you’re the expert here deciding what is or isn’t relevant, what does or doesn’t matter, and so on and so forth, etc…

1) In that New York Declaration on Palestine 18 page Micro-pdf attachment, with its 142 countries that support the creation of a Palestinian state, how many of those 142 countries still don’t recognize the Israeli state that’s existed since 1948?

2) What in that 18 page PDF on the 7 page declaration details (or at least outlines) the enforcement mechanism tied to this declaration? You speak as if someone somehow is going to evict Israel from what’s currently (since Jordan renamed it after they annexed it) called the West Bank. How do you envision that taking place and enforced in what manner?

3) The same declaration also states that the PA (after its reformed, their statement & not mine) will eventually govern Gaza, & that Hamas will have nothing to do with the governance of Gaza. Is this point in this declaration optional or negotiable?

4) The same declaration also states that Hamas would be disarmed. Is that point in this declaration optional or negotiable?

5) If these above points are optional or negotiable, then are other points in that same declaration optional or negotiable?

6) “They” (whomever “they” are) aren’t “fucking around” anymore in what way?

They arent suggestions. These are demands and its not on YOUR timeline. Why would you think its on your timeline?

Israel fucked up so bad the world said "fuck this noise" and is pulling "the plug" on them including our own country. Don't like it, call your MP. IM NOT YOUR MP.

I see you haven't bothered to read any of it.

Any idea what "the plug" is?

 

[petros]

Demands that Israel, the occupying Power, comply strictly with its
obligations under international law, including as reflected in the advisory opinion of
the International Court of 19 July 2024, including to bring an end to its unlawful
presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, as rapidly as possible, to cease
immediately all new settlement activities and to evacuate all settlers from the
Occupied Palestinian Territory, and to put an end to its unlawful acts, including by
repealing all legislation and measures creating or maintaining the unlawful situation,
inter alia, those which discriminate against the Palestinian people, as well as all
measures aimed at modifying the demographic composition of any parts of the
Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem;

https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n24/392/19/pdf/n2439219.pdf

 

[Ron in Regina]

They arent suggestions. These are demands and its not on YOUR timeline. Why would you think its on your timeline?

Israel fucked up so bad the world said "fuck this noise" and is pulling "the plug" on them including our own country. Don't like it, call your MP. IM NOT YOUR MP.

I see you haven't bothered to read any of it.

Any idea what "the plug" is?

Wow, Ok. On that note with whatever non-answer you’re giving here, I was asking questions…& I seem to be a little less passionate about this than you are at this point.

Anyway, what is “the plug” that you are referring to? Is it some kind of enforcement mechanism buried somewhere in that 18 page PDF that’s now one page back in this thread about this New York declaration on Palestine?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Demands that Israel, the occupying Power, comply strictly with its
obligations under international law, including as reflected in the advisory opinion of
the International Court of 19 July 2024, including to bring an end to its unlawful
presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, as rapidly as possible, to cease
immediately all new settlement activities and to evacuate all settlers from the
Occupied Palestinian Territory, and to put an end to its unlawful acts, including by
repealing all legislation and measures creating or maintaining the unlawful situation,
inter alia, those which discriminate against the Palestinian people, as well as all
measures aimed at modifying the demographic composition of any parts of the
Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem;

https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n24/392/19/pdf/n2439219.pdf

Or…? What happens to be the Enforcement mechanism for both sides?

 

[petros]

Wow, Ok. On that note with whatever non-answer you’re giving here, I was asking questions…& I seem to be a little less passionate about this than you are at this point.

Anyway, what is “the plug” that you are referring to? Is it some kind of enforcement mechanism buried somewhere in that 18 page PDF that’s now one page back in this thread about this New York declaration on Palestine?

What's the plug? The USD.

 

[petros]

Or…? What happens to be the Enforcement mechanism for both sides?

Or zero trade with Israel and USD loses its reserve status. The UN doesn't need to make a move to do it do they? Do the 140+ nations need the UN to cut trade and access to the banking world that Israel enjoys? Does OPEC need to supply the US and Israel? Trump isn't already shitting BRICS? Add EU Canada, Britain, China, India etc etc etc.

This is what happens when you deliberately slaughter children and openly state your intent of ethnic cleansing Ron.

The NYD already came from talks OUTSIDE THE UN.

Do France Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Canada, Egypt, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Jordan, Mexico, Norway, Qatar, Senegal, Spain, Türkiye, the United Kingdom, the European Union, and the League of Arab States need the UN to punish Israel and it's Yankee bitch?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Or…? What happens to be the Enforcement mechanism for both sides?

Or zero trade with Israel and USD loses its reserve status. The UN doesn't need to make a move to do it do they? Do the 140+ nations need the UN to cut trade and access to the banking world that Israel enjoys? Does OPEC need to supply the US and Israel? Trump isn't already shitting BRICS? Add EU Canada, Britain, China, India etc etc etc.

This is what happens when you deliberately slaughter children and openly state your intent of ethnic cleansing Ron.

The NYD already came from talks OUTSIDE THE UN.

Do France Saudi Arabia, Brazil, Canada, Egypt, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Jordan, Mexico, Norway, Qatar, Senegal, Spain, Türkiye, the United Kingdom, the European Union, and the League of Arab States need the UN to punish Israel and it's Yankee bitch?

Ok, so what’s the enforcement mechanism for the side that “isn’t” Israel?

 

[petros]

Ok, so what’s the enforcement mechanism for the side that “isn’t” Israel?

What are they doing wrong? Did the Egypt, Tukiye and UAE stabilzation force show up yet?

TRUMP'S CEASE-FIRE PLAN: U.S. President Trump posted on Truth Social that many of America's allies in the Middle East have told him "they would welcome the opportunity, at my request, to go into GAZA with a heavy force and 'straighten out Hamas' if Hamas continues to act badly, in violation of their agreement with us." Trump added that he told these countries, "and Israel, 'NOT YET!' There is still hope that Hamas will do what is right. If they do not, an end to Hamas will be FAST, FURIOUS, & BRUTAL!"

U.S. Vice President JD Vance landed in Israel and visited the U.S. headquarters tasked with maintaining the cease-fire, the Civil-Military Coordination Center (CMCC). Vance is also expected to meet with Israeli President Herzog and former hostages. Speaking at a press conference, Vance said the U.S. was "not going to force anything" on Israel regarding foreign troops on the ground in Gaza, but added that Turkey has a "constructive" role to play.

Citing sources in the Trump administration, the New York Times reported that Vance's two-day visit is meant to ensure that Netanyahu does not violate the cease-fire and launch another offensive in Gaza. The sources have become increasingly concerned that the PM will derail the deal.

(But But But Hamaaaaaaaas)


Netanyahu met with Egyptian intelligence chief Hassan Rashad in Jerusalem to discuss "advancing President Trump's [Gaza] plan, Israeli-Egyptian relations, and strengthening peace between the countries, as well as other regional issues," the PM's office said.

Senior Hamas official Khalil al-Hayya told the Egyptian Al-Qahirah channel that the organization is "serious about recovering the bodies of all Israeli hostages. We are facing great difficulty in the rescue and are continuing our efforts." Al-Hayya added that "what we heard from the mediators and the U.S. president reassures us that the war in Gaza is over."

The U.S. seeks to involve Azerbaijan in the international stabilization force set to be deployed in Gaza as part of Trump's plan, U.S. officials told Haaretz, adding that CENTCOM commander Brad Cooper, who is charged with putting together the alliance, met with President Aliyev and Defense Minister Hasanov in Baku on Saturday. The presidential palace's statement did not mention Gaza, but said the two sides discussed the possibility of military and technological cooperation.

U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent met with his Israeli counterpart, far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, and encouraged him to "fully embrace President Trump's landmark peace deal," a statement from the Treasury Department said.

"Instead of airing the opening session of the Knesset on Monday, Israeli TV studios should have broadcast the 60 Minutes interview with U.S. envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner. The Knesset may be more entertaining, but it is irrelevant. The real decisions shaping Israelis' fate are being made in Washington. The envoys' message from the interview was clear: they are managing the situation closely and will not allow the cease-fire to collapse. The incidents in Gaza that followed the broadcast showed that in practice" – Chaim Levinson


If you brain functions.....

 

[petros]

 

[petros]

Palestinian Deaths Since Ceasefire

Casualty figures since October 10 are primarily reported by the Gaza Ministry of Health (MoH) and Palestinian media offices, which document deaths from Israeli military actions. These sources distinguish between new deaths from post-ceasefire incidents (e.g., airstrikes, shootings at checkpoints) and recoveries of bodies from rubble dating back to earlier in the war (estimated at over 400 recoveries since the truce began, but these are pre-October 10 deaths).

New deaths attributed to Israeli actions:

As of October 20-21, 2025, Palestinian authorities report 97 Palestinians killed in Gaza due to Israeli violations of the ceasefire.

This includes:
At least 45 killed in a major airstrike wave on October 19-20, targeting "Hamas terror targets" according to the IDF.

Smaller incidents, such as 4 killed on October 20 in a reported shooting near a checkpoint.
Over 230 wounded in total from these events.
These figures come from the Gaza Government Media Office and Hamas-aligned sources, which the UN considers generally reliable for overall trends in Gaza (though independent verification is limited due to access restrictions).

Israeli perspective: The IDF has confirmed conducting "limited operations" post-ceasefire, claiming all fatalities were militants (no specific total provided). They report neutralizing "dozens of Hamas targets" without acknowledging civilian deaths.

UN and neutral assessments: The UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) has not issued a consolidated post-ceasefire death toll as of October 21 but notes in updates through October 18 that at least 68 Palestinians were killed between October 8-15 (including ~5 pre-ceasefire days), with many tied to aid access incidents.

OCHA emphasizes that the overall war toll exceeds 68,000 Palestinian deaths since October 2023, with post-ceasefire violence exacerbating humanitarian needs.

 

[Serryah]

Clearing Israeli terrorists from West Bank is gonna be fuuuuuucked.

Its been Oct 7 for 58 years for WB Palestinians whether Muzzie, Christian, Druze or Samaritan.

That you have Israeli's who don't even belong there going in and kicking Palestinians out of their generational homes doesn't matter to some.

Until it's someone kicking them out of their home, then it'll matter.

 

[petros]

That you have Israeli's who don't even belong there going in and kicking Palestinians out of their generational homes doesn't matter to some.

Until it's someone kicking them out of their home, then it'll matter.

If they defend themselves from Israeli terrorists, guess who gets called the terrorists? Only Israel is allowed to defend itself or go on an offensive.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Ok, going back to the questions in post 221 in this thread….

They arent suggestions. These are demands and it’s not on YOUR timeline. Why would you think it’s on your timeline?

Ok, my timeline? Anyway, so these are demands and not suggestions. I understand what you are saying, and thus my question:

Or…? What happens to be the Enforcement mechanism for both sides?

Long rant about Israel, etc…& that they have to follow things to the letter, etc., etc. & I’m sure you think you’re being completely rational here. Cool. I understand what you think Israel needs to do, but there’s at least two sides in this goat rodeo. I know it sounds crazy, but…

So I tried to simplify the question like so:

Or…? What happens to be the Enforcement mechanism for both sides?

And again, I guess I wasn’t clear so I tried to redefine the question, because there’s at least two dance partners at this cha-cha.

Ok, so what’s the enforcement mechanism for the side that “isn’t” Israel?

What are they doing wrong? Did the Egypt, Tukiye and UAE stabilzation force show up yet?

Ok, so…I don’t know. I don’t think anybody’s showing up yet actually inside of Gaza, but I could be wrong. I’m not even sure if Turkey is gonna be part of that stabilization force (rebuilding…probably, international peacekeeping force? Don’t know yet).

Anyway, is there some kind of enforcement mechanism for both sides in this yet?

 

[petros]

Ok, going back to the questions in post 221 in this thread….

Ok, my timeline? Anyway, so these are demands and not suggestions. I understand what you are saying, and thus my question:

Long rant about Israel, etc…& that they have to follow things to the letter, etc., etc. & I’m sure you think you’re being completely rational here. Cool. I understand what you think Israel needs to do, but there’s at least two sides in this goat rodeo. I know it sounds crazy, but…

So I tried to simplify the question like so:

And again, I guess I wasn’t clear so I tried to redefine the question, because there’s at least two dance partners at this cha-cha.


Ok, so…I don’t know. I don’t think anybody’s showing up yet actually inside of Gaza, but I could be wrong. I’m not even sure if Turkey is gonna be part of that stabilization force (rebuilding…probably, international peacekeeping force? Don’t know yet).

Anyway, is there some kind of enforcement mechanism for both sides in this yet?

From UN or the 140+ that came up with this outside the UN behind Trump's back and then dropped the bomb on Trump and Bibi making it a UN resolution? Has their intent changed.

Think of it this way, what does a resistance movement like Hamas do after achieving their goal when there isn't anything to resist?

Why would they do something stupid to jeopardize what they just won?

Also keep in mind Trump has a base to play kabuki too so youre going to hear plenty if "tough guy". Both Trump and Biden could end up with ICC and ICJ issues for enabling, funding and arming Israel to commit genocide.

Consequences for Hamas will be in the Arab's hands not the US or Israel who've shit the genocide bed.

 

[Ron in Regina]

Any idea what "the plug" is?

Anyway, what is “the plug” that you are referring to? Is it some kind of enforcement mechanism buried somewhere in that 18 page PDF that’s now one page back in this thread about this New York declaration on Palestine?

What's the plug? The USD.

…and USD loses its reserve status.

Oh yeah. Ok. What was Trumps reaction? Was it tariffs? That seems to be his reaction to most things for the last year or so. This “plug” regarding the USD and removing its status as a reserve currency is in the New York Declaration on Palestine?

What happens to be the Enforcement mechanism for both sides?

I still have not seen this yet, and I’m not the expert here on the New York declaration for Palestine, by any means.

There’s a whole litany of things above if Israel doesn’t follow things in this declaration, but if the other side doesn’t? Does it matter if they do or don’t? This is only about Israel?

From UN or the 140+ that came up with this outside the UN behind Trump's back and then dropped the bomb on Trump and Bibi making it a resolution?

So is this a UN thing still, or something else? What exactly are you saying here? Did this really happen (?) or is it your interpretation of what you really really really want this to mean?

Think of it this way, what does a resistance movement like Hamas do after achieving their goal when there isn't anything to resist?

Either retire to a beach somewhere, or take their show on the road.

Why would they do something stupid to jeopardize what they just won?

Yes. Why?

 

[petros]

Oh yeah. Ok. What was Trumps reaction? Was it tariffs? That seems to be his reaction to most things for the last year or so. This “plug” regarding the USD and removing its status as a reserve currency is in the New York Declaration on Palestine?

We'll find out when Mohammed bin Salami visits the White House on November 18. He's already on the fence with BRICS. He is the one player Trump fears will go BRICS and has already given Trump a year.

More on that

https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw==_985a54de-2908-403f-9b41-1c9b2b36262d

This is his deal, not Trumps idiotic 20 pt version created to keep the christian zionist nutjobs Trump NEEDS in his corner from blowing gaskets.

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I still have not seen this yet, and I’m not the expert here on the New York declaration for Palestine, by any means.

There’s a whole litany of things above if Israel doesn’t follow things in this declaration, but if the other side doesn’t? Does it matter if they do or don’t? This is only about Israel?

What's left to do? They don't have to disarm until the security force arrives and Israel makes an exodus from Gaza. If need be it won't be US or Israel dealing with Al Qassam, it'll be Turkiye.

So is this a UN thing still, or something else? What exactly are you saying here? Did this really happen (?) or is it your interpretation of what you really really really want this to mean?

Both. Americans had no idea it was coming until it hit the floor in the UN and was voted on. The demands happen UN or no UN as stated by officials involvec. They arent fucking around. Genocide had to be stopped and so did annexation plans.

Either retire to a beach somewhere, or take their show on the road.

Some Hamas will stay in politics and some al Qassam will stay in the new military just like the Zionist terrorists did in 1948.

Yes. Why?

Exactly, so why are you hell bent on something happening? Go where? Botswana?

Israel is going to try more fake shit to blame on them to keep this going hence why Vance is there to stop Netanyahu from doing something stupid.

Stupid shit like this:

Incident Overview
On October 19, 2025, an explosion in Rafah, southern Gaza, killed two Israeli soldiers during military operations amid a fragile ceasefire between Israel and Hamas. The blast occurred as an Israeli bulldozer was conducting demolition work, accidentally detonating unexploded ordnance (UXO)—likely remnants from prior Israeli strikes—leading to the soldiers' deaths and possible injuries to others.92d8d1998f463f7468 This self-inflicted incident nearly escalated into a full resumption of hostilities but was contained through rapid US diplomatic intervention.
Initial Israeli Response and Escalation
Israel's military immediately attributed the explosion to a Hamas attack, claiming militants fired an anti-tank missile from tunnels and emerged to engage troops, labeling it a "blatant" ceasefire violation.fa2f521666af Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu convened the Security Cabinet, which approved a major retaliatory airstrike involving up to 100 warplanes targeting Hamas infrastructure.532d0f In response, Israeli forces launched dozens of airstrikes and shelling across Gaza, killing at least 26-44 Palestinians (including women and children) and wounding dozens more; one strike hit a former school sheltering displaced families in Nuseirat.50b8f31c72704904b9 Israel also temporarily suspended the ceasefire, halted humanitarian aid deliveries, and kept the Rafah border crossing closed, citing security threats.3d44ba33f1ab Hamas denied involvement, stating it had no operations in Rafah since March and remained committed to the truce.
An Israeli media gag order was reportedly imposed to limit details on the incident.87cc3e Israeli officials, including Defense Minister Israel Katz, later shared videos of engineering units erecting barriers to demarcate restricted zones, emphasizing efforts to prevent crossings.369b80

Netanyahu will start something with Lebanon, Syria or Iran very very soon.

 

[Ron in Regina]

What's left to do? They don't have to disarm until the security force arrives and Israel makes an exodus from Gaza. If need be it won't be US or Israel dealing with Al Qassam, it'll be Turkiye.

FDD Turkey Program Director Sinan Ciddi on Turkey's role in Gaza's reconstruction

Turkey wants a piece of Gaza’s reconstruction — but there’s a problem 🚧Erdogan’s construction allies are eyeing lucrative contracts, and Ankara wants a seat...

www.youtube.com

(YouTube & FDD Turkey Program Director Sinan Ciddi on Turkey's role in Gaza's reconstruction)

International Stabilization Force - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

“When you look at the totality of the foreign reserve market, there is no other currency that could replace the U.S. dollar,” he says. “My argument is not that the U.S. is wonderful; they’re just the least dirty shirt in the world for currency holdings.”

Canada is the only G7 country to sell off all its gold reserves. Why? — The Globe and Mail

The recent surge in bullion prices has reinforced the sentiment that the Bank of Canada was foolish to sell off its gold holdings over the years

apple.news

The fragile cease-fire in Gaza that came into force last week rests on some key assumptions: that Hamas militants give up their weapons and that an international troop presence keep the peace as Israel withdraws its military from the enclave.

But the countries that might make up that force are skittish about committing soldiers who could potentially come into direct conflict with Hamas while it is still an armed group, diplomats and other people familiar with the deliberations say.

President Trump’s 20-point plan, which led to an Israel-Hamas cease-fire and an exchange of hostages for prisoners and detainees, envisioned the immediate deployment of a “temporary International Stabilization Force” in Gaza. The idea was for the international corps to secure areas where Israeli troops have withdrawn, prevent munitions from entering the territory, facilitate the distribution of aid and train a Palestinian police force.

The creation and deployment of an international force in Gaza could determine whether the current cease-fire has a chance to evolve into a lasting agreement, and whether Israelis and Palestinians move toward the broader aim of a durable peace.

Diplomats and other officials from several countries who are familiar with the situation say there has been little progress on when the force might be assembled because of confusion over the force’s mission, which appears to be the most serious stumbling block.

Representatives from several countries seen as likely participants have said privately that they will not commit troops until there is more clarity about what the force will be expected to do once it arrives in Gaza, according to two diplomats briefed on the discussions in recent days.

Their main concern is that their troops should not be expected to fight Hamas militants, some of whom remain heavily armed, on Israel’s behalf. For several of the countries, that prospect alone would be reason enough to back out, the officials said.

Some of the countries have also indicated in private discussions that they do not want their troops to be in the centers of Gaza’s cities, because of the danger posed there by Hamas and its tunnel networks, according to discussions with people familiar with the talks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/21/world/middleeast/gaza-ceasefire-international-security-force-hamas.html

Anyway, is there some kind of enforcement mechanism for both sides in this yet?

Israeli perspective: The IDF has confirmed conducting "limited operations" post-ceasefire, claiming all fatalities were militants (no specific total provided). They report neutralizing "dozens of Hamas targets" without acknowledging civilian deaths.

An eruption of violence in Gaza on Sunday underscored those concerns. An attack by Palestinian militants in Israeli-held territory killed two Israeli soldiers, according to the Israeli military. Israel responded with a punishing bombardment of what it described as Hamas installations, which killed 45 Palestinians, according to Gaza health officials, who do not distinguish between civilian and combatant casualties.

Consequences for Hamas will be in the Arab's hands not the US or Israel who've shit the genocide bed.

Exactly, so why are you hell bent on something happening? Go where? Botswana?

Is Botswana one of the Arab nations whose hands Hamas’s fate is in? If so, maybe…

Some Hamas will stay in politics and some al Qassam will stay in the new military just like the Zionist terrorists did in 1948.

Is that what the New York Declaration on Palestine says?

3) The same declaration also states that the PA (after its reformed, their statement & not mine) will eventually govern Gaza, & that Hamas will have nothing to do with the governance of Gaza. Is this point in this declaration optional or negotiable?

4) The same declaration also states that Hamas would be disarmed. Is that point in this declaration optional or negotiable?

 

[petros]

FDD Turkey Program Director Sinan Ciddi on Turkey's role in Gaza's reconstruction

Turkey wants a piece of Gaza’s reconstruction — but there’s a problem 🚧Erdogan’s construction allies are eyeing lucrative contracts, and Ankara wants a seat...

www.youtube.com

(YouTube & FDD Turkey Program Director Sinan Ciddi on Turkey's role in Gaza's reconstruction)

International Stabilization Force - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

“When you look at the totality of the foreign reserve market, there is no other currency that could replace the U.S. dollar,” he says. “My argument is not that the U.S. is wonderful; they’re just the least dirty shirt in the world for currency holdings.”

Canada is the only G7 country to sell off all its gold reserves. Why? — The Globe and Mail

The recent surge in bullion prices has reinforced the sentiment that the Bank of Canada was foolish to sell off its gold holdings over the years

apple.news

The fragile cease-fire in Gaza that came into force last week rests on some key assumptions: that Hamas militants give up their weapons and that an international troop presence keep the peace as Israel withdraws its military from the enclave.

But the countries that might make up that force are skittish about committing soldiers who could potentially come into direct conflict with Hamas while it is still an armed group, diplomats and other people familiar with the deliberations say.

President Trump’s 20-point plan, which led to an Israel-Hamas cease-fire and an exchange of hostages for prisoners and detainees, envisioned the immediate deployment of a “temporary International Stabilization Force” in Gaza. The idea was for the international corps to secure areas where Israeli troops have withdrawn, prevent munitions from entering the territory, facilitate the distribution of aid and train a Palestinian police force.

The creation and deployment of an international force in Gaza could determine whether the current cease-fire has a chance to evolve into a lasting agreement, and whether Israelis and Palestinians move toward the broader aim of a durable peace.

Diplomats and other officials from several countries who are familiar with the situation say there has been little progress on when the force might be assembled because of confusion over the force’s mission, which appears to be the most serious stumbling block.

Representatives from several countries seen as likely participants have said privately that they will not commit troops until there is more clarity about what the force will be expected to do once it arrives in Gaza, according to two diplomats briefed on the discussions in recent days.

Their main concern is that their troops should not be expected to fight Hamas militants, some of whom remain heavily armed, on Israel’s behalf. For several of the countries, that prospect alone would be reason enough to back out, the officials said.

Some of the countries have also indicated in private discussions that they do not want their troops to be in the centers of Gaza’s cities, because of the danger posed there by Hamas and its tunnel networks, according to discussions with people familiar with the talks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/21/world/middleeast/gaza-ceasefire-international-security-force-hamas.html

An eruption of violence in Gaza on Sunday underscored those concerns. An attack by Palestinian militants in Israeli-held territory killed two Israeli soldiers, according to the Israeli military. Israel responded with a punishing bombardment of what it described as Hamas installations, which killed 45 Palestinians, according to Gaza health officials, who do not distinguish between civilian and combatant casualties.


Is Botswana one of the Arab nations whose hands Hamas’s fate is in? If so, maybe…

Is that what the New York Declaration on Palestine says?

How come these countries and diplomats don't have names? Who is making these claims? Experts? Scientists? Girl Guides?

An eruption of violence in Gaza on Sunday underscored those concerns. An attack by Palestinian militants in Israeli-held territory killed two Israeli soldiers, according to the Israeli military. Israel responded with a punishing bombardment of what it described as Hamas installations, which killed 45 Palestinians, according to Gaza health officials, who do not distinguish between civilian and combatant casualties.

Ron.... That's a hasbara lie. Contractors drove over an exploded bomb and blew themselves to bits. Nobody popped up out of a tunnels and fired a rocket.

Nutlessyahud used that lie to drop around one hundred bombs and killed civilians.

Its 100% bullshit and you bought it hook, line and sphincter.

FACT CHECK YOUR HASBARA!!!

 

[petros]

How come these countries and diplomats don't have names? Who is making these claims? Experts? Scientists? Girl Guides?


Ron.... That's a hasbara lie. Contractors drove over an exploded bomb and blew themselves to bits. Nobody popped up out of a tunnels and fired a rocket.

Nutlessyahud used that lie to drop around one hundred bombs and killed civilians.

Its 100% bullshit and you bought it hook, line and sphincter.

FACT CHECK YOUR HASBARA!!!

This lying shit has been going on for two fucking years.