Trudeau announces Amira Elghawaby as Canada's first representative to combat Islamophobia

[Ron in Regina]

Their (the Toronto International Film Festival) legal argument seems to be that the terrorists are the copyright owners of their snuff films, and their intellectual property rights are protected under Canadian law via multiple copyright treaties.

Putting aside obvious defences to a claim of copyright infringement, such as fair dealing, there is serious doubt as to whether Gazans have standing under Canada’s Copyright Act.

In 2014, the United Nations announced the State of Palestine, which doesn’t currently exist, had become signatory to multiple human rights treaties. Nothing prevented it from also becoming signatory to an international copyright agreement like, for example, the Berne Convention. Foreign authors acquire rights under Canadian copyright laws solely via copyright treaties, absent which, they have no rights to assert in a Canadian court.

Ian Cooper: I'm an entertainment lawyer. TIFF's defence of Hamas copyright is bunk — National Post

Copyright treaties do not include Gaza

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Perhaps Hamas (& Friends) might argue though that the footage in dispute from October 7th 2023 was “filmed” not in Gaza but in Israel though?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Terry Newman: Keffiyeh-draped anti-Israel protesters target Jews at Saint John festival — National Post

Liberals gave $61,000 in funding to Culturefest same day protester arrested for assault

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[petros]

Terry Newman: Keffiyeh-draped anti-Israel protesters target Jews at Saint John festival — National Post

Liberals gave $61,000 in funding to Culturefest same day protester arrested for assault

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Should have given them double.

 

[Ron in Regina]

They (the Winnipeg Police this time) separated those waving Israeli and Canadian flags from the Hamas supporters, who had no Canadian flag in sight, in what was described as an attempt at de-escalation. The police said they were limited by directives from higher authorities not to enforce the law beyond these minimal measures.

The officers’ actions — and failures — must be understood in the context of their command and operational constraints. In other words, in a frightening echo of a dark historical parallel, some claimed they were just following orders by not enforcing the Criminal Code.

Without disrespecting the officers on duty, most of whom acted commendably as professionals, the result of their commanded restraint was to license repeated and escalating lawbreaking. Earlier in the week, police of their own initiative parked their cars on the boulevard where Hamas supporters (and some others in their company who acted distastefully and with whom I fully disagree, but who did not break the law) engaged in their arguably criminal activity.

They did this to prevent potential crimes before they began. But higher-ups in the WPS told them to remove their cars. If that had not happened, the situation on Saturday night might not have deteriorated to the extent and in the location it did.

Real accountability for failing to address the actions of Hamas supporters does not lie with the police, however. It lies with political decision-makers — the Premier and especially the Minister of Justice — who can provide direction on enforcement priorities and prosecutorial decisions.

Some members of the police have privately expressed frustration that they lack support to charge offenders because the Crown refuses to prosecute. One very high-ranking former member of the WPS suggested charges would be laid if the Crown agreed to proceed. So far, the Crown has failed to act.

PINSKY: ‘Hamas is coming for you’ shouted at Winnipeg pavilion — Winnipeg Sun

At Folklorama’s Israel Pavilion, Shalom Square, held at the Jewish Community Centre in Winnipeg this past week, attendees faced something that should be unthinkable in Canada. An unruly mob openly celebrated Hamas, a designated terrorist organization, directly harassing Jewish community members...

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[petros]

They (the Winnipeg Police this time) separated those waving Israeli and Canadian flags from the Hamas supporters, who had no Canadian flag in sight, in what was described as an attempt at de-escalation. The police said they were limited by directives from higher authorities not to enforce the law beyond these minimal measures.

The officers’ actions — and failures — must be understood in the context of their command and operational constraints. In other words, in a frightening echo of a dark historical parallel, some claimed they were just following orders by not enforcing the Criminal Code.

Without disrespecting the officers on duty, most of whom acted commendably as professionals, the result of their commanded restraint was to license repeated and escalating lawbreaking. Earlier in the week, police of their own initiative parked their cars on the boulevard where Hamas supporters (and some others in their company who acted distastefully and with whom I fully disagree, but who did not break the law) engaged in their arguably criminal activity.

They did this to prevent potential crimes before they began. But higher-ups in the WPS told them to remove their cars. If that had not happened, the situation on Saturday night might not have deteriorated to the extent and in the location it did.

Real accountability for failing to address the actions of Hamas supporters does not lie with the police, however. It lies with political decision-makers — the Premier and especially the Minister of Justice — who can provide direction on enforcement priorities and prosecutorial decisions.

Some members of the police have privately expressed frustration that they lack support to charge offenders because the Crown refuses to prosecute. One very high-ranking former member of the WPS suggested charges would be laid if the Crown agreed to proceed. So far, the Crown has failed to act.

PINSKY: ‘Hamas is coming for you’ shouted at Winnipeg pavilion — Winnipeg Sun

At Folklorama’s Israel Pavilion, Shalom Square, held at the Jewish Community Centre in Winnipeg this past week, attendees faced something that should be unthinkable in Canada. An unruly mob openly celebrated Hamas, a designated terrorist organization, directly harassing Jewish community members...

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Freedom of assmbly and free speech are now crimes? Hamas supporters? That's fucked.

It's nice to know my rights are now crimes.

Hasbara

 

[Ron in Regina]

Freedom of assmbly and free speech are now crimes? Hamas supporters? That's fucked.

It's nice to know my rights are now crimes.

Hasbara

So you didn’t actually read the link above then? Where it talks about freedom of expression ends where it infringes on the safety and dignity of innocent people, etc…like freedom of expression ending when it descend into harassment compelling people to endure threats and intimidation, it lose constitutional protection. Your call & that’s ok.

 

[petros]

So you didn’t actually read the link above then? Where it talks about freedom of expression ends where it infringes on the safety and dignity of innocent people, etc…like freedom of expression ending when it descend into harassment compelling people to endure threats and intimidation, it lose constitutional protection. Your call & that’s ok.

You never read your own article but I did.

Earlier in the week, police of their own initiative parked their cars on the boulevard where Hamas supporters (and some others in their company who acted distastefully and with whom I fully disagree, but who did not break the law) engaged in their arguably criminal activity.

So what crimes Ron? Opposition to fascist, racist murders is now a crime?

The non-reaction from police is anti-semitic? Maybe just maybe WPS refuses to infringe on the rights of the protestors on behalf of a bunch fucks in another country?

 

[Ron in Regina]

….directly harassing community members, their supporters, and guests of all faiths and nationalities for several hours. Frightening threats were shouted, including vile sexualized slurs aimed at women and girls and menacing declarations like, “Hamas is coming for you.” This was not just offensive speech — it was a breach of Canadian law, a violation of the basic right to safety, and a profound failure of leadership.

Charterpedia - Section 2(b) – Freedom of expression

Department of Justice Canada's Internet site

www.justice.gc.ca

Thus the frustration of law enforcement mentioned in the link:

PINSKY: ‘Hamas is coming for you’ shouted at Winnipeg pavilion — Winnipeg Sun

At Folklorama’s Israel Pavilion, Shalom Square, held at the Jewish Community Centre in Winnipeg this past week, attendees faced something that should be unthinkable in Canada. An unruly mob openly celebrated Hamas, a designated terrorist organization, directly harassing Jewish community members...

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Some members of the police have privately expressed frustration that they lack support to charge offenders because the Crown refuses to prosecute. One very high-ranking former member of the WPS suggested charges would be laid if the Crown agreed to proceed. So far, the Crown has failed to act.

You never read your own article but I did.

Ok.

So what crimes Ron? Opposition to fascist, racist murders is now a crime?

The rights and freedoms the Charter protects

Department of Justice Canada's Internet site

www.justice.gc.ca

If done within the boundaries of the law, then no. If not done within the boundaries of the law, then yes. From what you read (seeing as apparently I’ve never read it), does it sound like they stayed within the boundaries of Canadian law?

 

[petros]

….directly harassing community members, their supporters, and guests of all faiths and nationalities for several hours. Frightening threats were shouted, including vile sexualized slurs aimed at women and girls and menacing declarations like, “Hamas is coming for you.” This was not just offensive speech — it was a breach of Canadian law, a violation of the basic right to safety, and a profound failure of leadership.

Charterpedia - Section 2(b) – Freedom of expression

Department of Justice Canada's Internet site

www.justice.gc.ca

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Thus the frustration of law enforcement mentioned in the link:

PINSKY: ‘Hamas is coming for you’ shouted at Winnipeg pavilion — Winnipeg Sun

At Folklorama’s Israel Pavilion, Shalom Square, held at the Jewish Community Centre in Winnipeg this past week, attendees faced something that should be unthinkable in Canada. An unruly mob openly celebrated Hamas, a designated terrorist organization, directly harassing Jewish community members...

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Ok.

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The rights and freedoms the Charter protects

Department of Justice Canada's Internet site

www.justice.gc.ca

If done within the boundaries of the law, then no. If not done within the boundaries of the law, then yes. From what you read (seeing as apparently I’ve never read it), does it sound like they stayed within the boundaries of Canadian law?

"Hamas is coming for you" isnt a threat of violence.

Keep trying.

That ranks right there with "if you aren't a good boy I'm calling Santa Claus".

 

[Ron in Regina]

"Hamas is coming for you" isnt a threat of violence.

Keep trying.

That’s one example, but keep trying. Threats of violence are not covered by freedom of speech. I wasn’t there and you were not there, & apparently I didn’t even read the new story that we’re talking about, but I think this all comes down to just a basic misunderstanding of a select word in that new story that I never read, and you did.


Not having read the new story myself apparently, how many times is the word “threat” used (?), and what do you think they mean by that term (?) and why do you think they keep mentioning it?

What you latched onto was earlier on in the story when the police were preventing interaction and keeping peace, and then they were told not to do that….leading to…what happened later in the story, etc…that I never read and you did.

 

[petros]

"Distastefully" is a threat of violence? Swearing?

 

[petros]

That’s one example, but keep trying. Threats of violence are not covered by freedom of speech. I wasn’t there and you were not there, & apparently I didn’t even read the new story that we’re talking about, but I think this all comes down to just a basic misunderstanding of a select word in that new story that I never read, and you did.
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Not having read the new story myself apparently, how many times is the word “threat” used (?), and what do you think they mean by that term (?) and why do you think they keep mentioning it?

What you latched onto was earlier on in the story when the police were preventing interaction and keeping peace, and then they were told not to do that….leading to…what happened later in the story, etc…that I never read and you did.

"Distastefully" is a threat of violence? Swearing? Thumbing noses? Flipping the bird? Fat cunt? All legal.

Sounds like a Covid protest.

 

[Ron in Regina]

"Distastefully" is a threat of violence? Swearing?

Sorry, were you there? Was I there? You read the new story and apparently I didn’t. Why are law-enforcement frustrated (?) or some of the law-enforcement that the media outlet spoke to frustrated?

We could circle this drain forever, but the link & story (that you read and nobody else must’ve ever read, including myself I’m assuming still) or a thing that exists. They, I, & anybody else that doesn’t believe exactly what you believe, are either wrong or incorrect or ignorant….or wrong and incorrect and ignorant. Got it.

 

[petros]

Sorry, were you there? Was I there? You read the new story and apparently I didn’t. Why are law-enforcement frustrated (?) or some of the law-enforcement that the media outlet spoke to frustrated?

We could circle this drain forever, but the link & story (that you read and nobody else must’ve ever read, including myself I’m assuming still) or a thing that exists. They, I, & anybody else that doesn’t believe exactly what you believe, are either wrong or incorrect or ignorant….or wrong and incorrect and ignorant. Got it.

Frustrated they'd be violating their rights of assembly and expression?

Earlier in the week, police of their own initiative parked their cars on the boulevard where Hamas supporters (and some others in their company who acted distastefully and with whom I fully disagree, but who did not break the law) engaged in their arguably criminal activity.

Why do you want to violate someone's right to legally assemble and express themselves within the boundaries of law? What's in it for you?

 

[Ron in Regina]

Frustrated they'd be violating their rights of assembly and expression?

Yes, that must be it exactly, because They, I, & anybody else that doesn’t believe exactly what you believe, are either wrong or incorrect or ignorant….or wrong and incorrect and ignorant. Got it.
Do you think you might’ve stepped over the edge of that rabbit hole a while back? Exactly what where those folks at Folklorama’s Israel Pavilion, Shalom Square, held at the Jewish Community Centre in Winnipeg this past week guilty of again (?) in order to have their rights violated, etc…? What did they (and guests of all faiths and nationalities in attendance) do exactly to incur “Frightening threats were shouted” (according to the link to the story in the Winnipeg Sun that only you’ve read) that you (having not been there, as I who also wasn’t there) say where not threats without knowing exactly what was said. These of course would be the “Protected Threats that aren’t Threats” that are their right to…threaten (?)… protected by free speech, etc…right?

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

There is a distinction at protesting at the Israeli consulate. They are representing the State Of Israel. Protesting at a Jewish Community Centre is against individual Jewish Canadians who have done nothing and have no influence on what is happening over there.

 

[Ron in Regina]

There is a distinction at protesting at the Israeli consulate. They are representing the State Of Israel. Protesting at a Jewish Community Centre is against individual Jewish Canadians who have done nothing and have no influence on what is happening over there.

Are they though? This isn’t a consulate. This is like a fair, for cultures. You could go to the Ukrainian one and eat a pierogi., and then go to the Greek one and eat some lamb, watch some dancing, buy a T-shirt, then go to the Scottish one and eat some haggis, watch some Highland dancing, etc…

In this case, it sounds like they’re protesting the folks running that pavilion, & the ones that dare to go to it, etc…& all I know is from a new story above that I’ve linked to a few times here, & that’s it.

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

Are they though? This isn’t a consulate. This is like a fair, for cultures. You could go to the Ukrainian one and eat a pierogi., and then go to the Greek one and eat some lamb, watch some dancing, buy a T-shirt, then go to the Scottish one and eat some haggis, watch some Highland dancing, etc…

I understand. That was my point. The festival is attended by Canadians who happen to be Jewish. If you protest there, nobody from Israel actually cares about that protest as it doesn't affect them. The one at the consulate or embassy they would at least see.

 

[petros]

Yes, that must be it exactly, because They, I, & anybody else that doesn’t believe exactly what you believe, are either wrong or incorrect or ignorant….or wrong and incorrect and ignorant. Got it.
View attachment 30684Do you think you might’ve stepped over the edge of that rabbit hole a while back? Exactly what where those folks at Folklorama’s Israel Pavilion, Shalom Square, held at the Jewish Community Centre in Winnipeg this past week guilty of again (?) in order to have their rights violated, etc…? What did they (and guests of all faiths and nationalities in attendance) do exactly to incur “Frightening threats were shouted” (according to the link to the story in the Winnipeg Sun that only you’ve read) that you (having not been there, as I who also wasn’t there) say where not threats without knowing exactly what was said. These of course would be the “Protected Threats that aren’t Threats” that are their right to…threaten (?)… protected by free speech, etc…right?

Earlier in the week, police of their own initiative parked their cars on the boulevard where Hamas supporters (and some others in their company who acted distastefully and with whom I fully disagree, but who did not break the law) engaged in their arguably criminal activity.

Rights are rights. Don't fuck with my, your, or someone else's right because you hate muzzie sandniggers.

 

[Ron in Regina]

I understand. That was my point. The festival is attended by Canadians who happen to be Jewish. If you protest there, nobody from Israel actually cares about that protest as it doesn't affect them. The one at the consulate or embassy they would at least see.

I like haggis, but I’m not Scottish, & I’ve been to that pavilion. I got some in-laws who are Greek and I love the food, though I prefer Sambuca over Uzo, it doesn’t stop me from drinking Uzo so I’ve been to that Pavilion too. I’ve eaten pierogies at the Ukrainian pavilion, and eggrolls at the Chinese one, & so on and so forth

Apparently everybody got to enjoy the Hamas & Palestinian (according to the news story and if it’s not right, then somebody could take that up with that Winnipeg Sun) “protesters” in Winnipeg. It is what it is.

That new story mentions threats & threatening behavior repeatedly, but maybe they’re wrong, because I wasn’t there.. Again, it is what it is.

Apparently, threats and threatening behaviour are not protected free speech, depending on who you talk to, but again, it is what it is.