Hamas attacks Israel

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Well, starting in 2025, or 2021, or 2012, or 2008, or 2006, or 1973, or 1967 (the later 1/2 & not the first 1/2), or most of the ‘50’s & 60’s but 1956 specifically, or 1948, or 1947, or 1923, or 2000 years ago, or 3000 years ago? This thread is one of many & 5000+ posts in so far…and we’ve all learned much in the last 20+ months, so you’ve got to be much more specific with a question like that.

Hmmmm…weird but interesting question. Ok, I’d assume initially they (the pacifist Japanese) would’ve expressed shock & condemnation of the attacks on Israel on Oct 7th 2023, then over time & by design with the information being released in the propaganda war that this conflict is, they’d have sympathy for Palestinians caught in the middle of this war as Israel fights Hamas (& it’s affiliates in Gaza and in the surrounding nations) who’s hiding in & under the Palestinian population. Is that close? I’m assuming (right or wrong in an ass/u/me sorta thing) that’s what most people with even a vague knowledge of this goat rodeo would feel? This in the ballpark?

Who benefits from a high body count of Palestinians (exaggerated or not) in this conflict between Hamas and Israel? Hamas is winning the propaganda side of this war.


Maybe a more relevant question isn’t “What lead to Oct 7th?” BUT “What reaction did Hamas expect to provoke on Oct 7th with that attack & taking 250-ish hostages holocaustages from Israel?”

What did Hamas do in advance of Oct 7th (& since) to protect the citizens of Gaza from the Israeli reaction to October 7th?
Never read the link huh?

Read it and we'll start fresh.
 
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It (Israel) doesn't use suicide bombers or human shields or deliberately attack civilians, but collateral damage in a place as densely populated as Gaza is unavoidable. And Hamas et al know they're going to get thunderous reprisals, Israel's always done that, which will just create more collateral damage they can point to as Israeli atrocities.
True 'nuff. And it's not like the people can leave. Israel guards both the West Bank and Gaza so tightly the people can't really leave.
Gaza shares a border with Egypt since mid-1967 when Israel (not the Palestinians) pushed the Egyptian military back out’a Gaza where they’d been the occupying force for two decades…but…???

(The West Bank shares a border with Jordan since mid-1967 when Israel & not the Palestinians pushed the Jordanian military back out’a the West Bank that Jordan had annexed almost two decades before that, but shhhh….)
Israel was a bad idea.
Religion is a bad idea.
The world witnessed video and photos of the kidnappings, of hostage soldiers dragged through the streets, of the desecrated bodies of dead civilians and soldiers paraded in Gaza as crowds celebrated. These images weren’t the work of Israeli propaganda services, they were the celebratory images shared by a sick yet proud Hamas and their supporters, including their sponsors in the Iranian regime.
We all watched this on the news, YouTube, etc…& it wasn’t Israel filming this. Weird…& why did Hamas film and release these images? What reaction were they trying to provoke/envoke? Why? To what end?
There is no moral equivalence in instances such as this, there is no calling on both sides to remain calm. Hamas launched a well-planned, well-coordinated, and well-financed attack that had obviously taken months to plan as Jews across Israel were marking the Sabbath and the holiday of Simchat Torah.
“What reaction did Hamas expect to provoke on Oct 7th with that attack & taking 250-ish hostages holocaustages from Israel?”

What did Hamas do in advance of Oct 7th (& since) to protect the citizens of Gaza from the Israeli reaction to October 7th?
This was not one military force taking on another – this was nothing but a terrorist group attacking an entire civilian, democratic population.
To this day, when we do see Hamas in their “uniforms” after 650-ish days of this, they’re clean and fresh and new looking like they just came from the dry cleaners. How is that possible?

How come the Ukrainian uniforms don’t look like that 1000+ days into the most recent Russian attack on Ukraine? Is that Israeli propaganda? Digitally cleaning and touching up the dirty and worn out uniforms of Hamas? What’s happening there? Are the borders with Egypt & Jordan with “Palestine” just Israeli propaganda?
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5342 posts into this thread alone already, you’d have to be more specific. Which of the dozen starting points above works for you today? Which link?
 

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Are you talking about your link to the Israeli parliament (?) or one of the hundreds of other links you have in this thread alone?
Did you read the article yet?
Which one? Jesus (I’m using that as a term of frustration & not religious whatever), we just went through a decade of Trudeau in Canada…& did all of Canada blindly adhere to Trudeau Babble-Speak & beliefs?

You’re not in favour of abortion or Trudeau, but if you were to become Prime Minister of Canada day, would that be the first (or even something you’d touch?) thing you’d ban after it’s been a right in this nation for decades? Would Poilievre if he’d won have touched that?
 

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Are you talking about your link to the Israeli parliament (?) or one of the hundreds of other links you have in this thread alone?

Which one? Jesus (I’m using that as a term of frustration & not religious whatever), we just went through a decade of Trudeau in Canada…& did all of Canada blindly adhere to Trudeau Babble-Speak & beliefs?

You’re not in favour of abortion or Trudeau, but if you were to become Prime Minister of Canada day, would that be the first (or even something you’d touch?) thing you’d ban after it’s been a right in this nation for decades? Would Poilievre if he’d won have touched that?
9 posts ago. Oooops 11 now
 

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Yeah, that narrows it down. I think I’m gonna have a coffee, then go and replace the pull-rope on my mower, & then see if there’s a post# for this reading assignment.
Since 13 posts is too far....


It's not some big under the radar conspiracy that has the world miffed. It's no secret what is unfolding. It's hard to accept but it's all there. Openly spoke about and in play.

Read it and we'll discuss the present and then revisit the past based on history rather than propaganda or mythology.

As for Japan, they are a Palestinian ally with open trade, diplomacy and support in the International community. Japan feels Palestinians have a right to exist and defend themselves against terrorism and ethnic cleansing in the territories.

Who knew?

 

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Never read the link huh?

Read it and we'll start fresh.
“If” it’s the one about the make up of the Israeli parliament in the early part of 2023, then yes I’ve read through it…& if it’s one of the many others you’ve posted, maybe I have & maybe I haven’t, but I probably have.

Give a post# & time permitting I’ll circle back to it. Whatever it is, is it justification for Oct 7th or something else? Then start fresh from what starting point?
…starting in 2025, or 2021, or 2012, or 2008, or 2006, or 1973, or 1967 (the later 1/2 & not the first 1/2), or most of the ‘50’s & 60’s but 1956 specifically, or 1948, or 1947, or 1923, or 2000 years ago, or 3000 years ago? This thread is one of many & 5000+ posts in so far…and we’ve all learned much in the last 20+ months, so you’ve got to be much more specific with a question like that.
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Ok, yeah, read through that one too.
 

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“If” it’s the one about the make up of the Israeli parliament in the early part of 2023, then yes I’ve read through it…& if it’s one of the many others you’ve posted, maybe I have & maybe I haven’t, but I probably have.

Give a post# & time permitting I’ll circle back to it. Whatever it is, is it justification for Oct 7th or something else? Then start fresh from what starting point?
You haven't read this one.

Greater Israel idea isn't just an idea, it's happening. It's a Theocracy unfolding before our eyes that requires ethnic cleansing from the Euphrates to the Sea. No unclean Goyim allowed. No Democracy, no Freedom, no Abortion, no Palestinians, no Christians, no Muzzies, no Druze, no Zorastrians, no Hindus, no Buddhists, no dirt worshippers no Fags, no Dykes only Kikes just like life in the settlements.
 

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It's the one where he tells you what the Japanese think.
As for Japan, they are a Palestinian ally with open trade, diplomacy and support in the International community. Japan feels Palestinians have a right to exist and defend themselves against terrorism and ethnic cleansing in the territories.
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Hmmmm…weird but interesting question. Ok, I’d assume initially they (the pacifist Japanese) would’ve expressed shock & condemnation of the attacks on Israel on Oct 7th 2023, then over time & by design with the information being released in the propaganda war that this conflict is, they’d have sympathy for Palestinians caught in the middle of this war as Israel fights Hamas (& it’s affiliates in Gaza and in the surrounding nations) who’s hiding in & under the Palestinian population. Is that close? I’m assuming (right or wrong in an ass/u/me sorta thing) that’s what most people with even a vague knowledge of this goat rodeo would feel? This in the ballpark?
You haven't read this one.
The one about the make up of the Israeli parliament in early 2023? Ok, I haven’t yet then I guess.
Greater Israel idea isn't just an idea, it's happening. It's a Theocracy unfolding before our eyes that requires ethnic cleansing from the Euphrates to the Sea. No unclean Goyim allowed. No Democracy, no Freedom, no Abortion, no Palestinians, no Christians, no Muzzies, no Druze, no Zorastrians, no Hindus, no Buddhists, no dirt worshippers no Fags, no Dykes only Kikes just like life in the settlements.
Sure sounds like what was theorized about in that link guessing at one potential path that could happen based upon the make up of the Israeli parliament in early 2023, just like if Poilievre was elected then abortion would’ve for sure been banned in Canada, etc…
 

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The one about the make up of the Israeli parliament in early 2023? Ok, I haven’t yet then I guess.

Sure sounds like what was theorized about in that link guessing at one potential path that could happen based upon the make up of the Israeli parliament in early 2023, just like if Poilievre was elected then abortion would’ve for sure been banned in Canada, etc…

You think this started in 2023? Are you serious?

There are no plans in the works to ethnically cleanse Gaza after invading and ramp up settlements and ethic cleasing of the West Bank? Israel doesn't occupy Lebanon and Syria already recently taking more of both in the name of defending themselves? All while these sovereign states aren't allowed to defend their lands.

pursuant to Security Council Resolution 780 defined ethnic cleansing as:

a purposeful policy designed by one ethnic or religious group to remove by violent and terror-inspiring means the civilian population of another ethnic or religious group from certain geographic areas", [noting that in the former Yugoslavia] " 'ethnic cleansing' has been carried out by means of murder, torture, arbitrary arrest and detention, extra-judicial executions, rape and sexual assaults, confinement of civilian population in ghetto areas, forcible removal, displacement and deportation of civilian population, deliberate military attacks or threats of attacks on civilians and civilian areas, and wanton destruction of property. Those practices constitute crimes against humanity and can be assimilated to specific war crimes. Furthermore, such acts could also fall within the meaning of the Genocide Convention.[38][39]

Smotrich says Gaza to be ‘totally destroyed,’ population ‘concentrated’ in small area

Ultranationalist minister says population will be 'totally despairing' and want to leave the Strip, also predicts West Bank will be annexed before end of government's term

By Jeremy Sharon and ToI Staff
6 May 2025, 8:41 pm

Smotrich says Gaza to be ‘totally destroyed,’ population ‘concentrated’ in small area
Finance Minister and Religious Zionism head Bezalel Smotrich leads a faction meeting at the Knesset in Jerusalem, May 5, 2025. (Yonatan Sindel/Flash90)
Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich shared his vision for the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, predicting that within half a year, the population of the territory would be confined to just a narrow swath of land, with the remainder of the enclave “totally destroyed.”

In remarks at a “Settlements Conference” organized by the Makor Rishon newspaper in the West Bank settlement of Ofra, Smotrich also declared that Israel would “apply sovereignty” in the West Bank within the lifetime of the current government, which is due to expire in October 2026, unless elections are called earlier.

“Within a few months, we will be able to declare that we have won. Gaza will be totally destroyed,” Smotrich said. “In another six months, Hamas won’t exist as a functioning entity.”

He told the listening audience that the population of Gaza, some 2.3 million Palestinians, would be “concentrated” in a narrow strip of land between the Egyptian border and the so-called Morag Corridor, which runs the width of Gaza between Khan Younis and the border city of Rafah.

The area would be a “humanitarian” zone, the Religious Zionism leader said, “absent of Hamas and terrorism.”

The rest of the Strip, he added, “will be empty.”

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Smotrich says Gaza to be ‘totally destroyed,’ population ‘concentrated’ in small area
Displaced Palestinians, fleeing the city of Rafah amid ongoing Israeli military operations, arrive in Khan Younis, Gaza, on March 23, 2025. (AP/Abdel Kareem Hana)

He did not elaborate how confining all of Gaza’s war-battered population into a narrow strip without the ability to leave would be a humanitarian act, but added: “They will be totally despairing, understanding that there is no hope and nothing to look for in Gaza, and will be looking for relocation to begin a new life in other places.”

Smotrich has been an ardent advocate of building new Jewish settlements in Gaza following the October 7, 2023, Hamas-led atrocities in southern Israel and the outbreak of the war, as well as “encouraging” the emigration of Gaza’s civilian population out of the territory.

Turning to the West Bank, the finance minister lauded a plan to construct roads that will redirect and separate Israeli and Palestinian traffic in the area.

The roads will link Jerusalem with Ma’ale Adumim while providing an alternative route for Palestinian traffic to bypass Israeli checkpoints, creating two separate lanes for vehicles from the Israeli and Palestinian security envelopes, which currently use a single lane.

While championed by Israel as a way to reduce congestion and tighten security, the plan will divert Palestinian drivers from the E1 area, where Israel is controversially moving forward with settlement construction in steps toward annexing Ma’ale Adumim.

Smotrich says Gaza to be ‘totally destroyed,’ population ‘concentrated’ in small area
Aerial view of Ma’ale Adumim, a West Bank settlement outside of Jerusalem, February 25, 2025. (Oren Cohen/Flash90)

The area is viewed by Palestinians as strategically significant for maintaining the territorial contiguity of a future Palestinian state.

Acknowledging this, Smotrich told the conference that the new construction in the E1 area “is how we kill the de facto Palestinian state.”

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“It will happen this term,” he said of plans to annex the West Bank. “It is one of our most important challenges. We are at a historic opportunity.”

Smotrich has frequently faced backlash for his remarks about the Gaza Strip and the war against Hamas, with the families of the hostages abducted during the October 7 onslaught accusing him of prioritizing territorial gains over the lives of their loved ones.

Last month, he drew outrage from the families of the hostages after he said that bringing the remaining 59 hostages back from Gaza was “not the most important” goal of the war, and was instead secondary to the aim of destroying Hamas.

Then, on Monday, the ultranationalist minister insisted that Israel would not cede territory captured in the Gaza Strip, even if doing so could secure the release of hostages, and urged Israelis to embrace “occupation.”

“We are finally going to occupy the Gaza Strip. We will stop being afraid of the word ‘occupation,'” he had said, and added that after occupying the Strip, “we can talk about sovereignty.”
 
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You think this started in 2023? Are you serious?
Did I say I thought it started in 2023, or was I asking if whatever link you kept referring to without actually citing which one was about the make up of the Israeli parliament in early 2023?

If I thought this started in 2023, then why would I have asked what starting point you were referring to?
Well, starting in 2025, or 2021, or 2012, or 2008, or 2006, or 1973, or 1967 (the later 1/2 & not the first 1/2), or most of the ‘50’s & 60’s but 1956 specifically, or 1948, or 1947, or 1923, or 2000 years ago, or 3000 years ago? This thread is one of many & 5000+ posts in so far…
…etc…? Anyway, things to do & maybe I can loop back to this later, time permitting.
There are no plans in the works to ethnically cleanse Gaza after invading and ramp up settlements and ethic cleasing of the West Bank? Israel doesn't occupy Lebanon and Syria already recently taking more of both in the name of defending themselves? All while these sovereign states aren't allowed to defend their lands.
You ever red through this & did it ever play out?
Should we judge Canada by everything Preston Manning has ever said?
Smotrich says Gaza to be ‘totally destroyed,’ population ‘concentrated’ in small area

Ultranationalist minister says population will be 'totally despairing' and want to leave the Strip, also predicts West Bank will be annexed before end of government's term
Let me know once it’s actually happened and done, & not a prediction. Last I heard this Smotrich is neither president or prime minister of Israel.
 

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Did I say I thought it started in 2023, or was I asking if whatever link you kept referring to without actually citing which one was about the make up of the Israeli parliament in early 2023?

If I thought this started in 2023, then why would I have asked what starting point you were referring to?

…etc…? Anyway, things to do & maybe I can loop back to this later, time permitting.

You ever red through this & did it ever play out?
Should we judge Canada by everything Preston Manning has ever said?

Let me know once it’s actually happened and done, & not a prediction. Last I heard this Smotrich is neither president or prime minister of Israel.
So I'm just hallucinating the occupation of Gaza, West Bank, Syria and Lebanon who have a right to exist or defend themselves and there are no plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza to push them out because of hallucinations I had in 1948, 1953 or 1967 or 1992 or 2002 or blah blah Holocaustages, blah Hamas, blah blah Holocaust.

It's not happening and Israeli Gov't isn't loaded with extremists because Hamas and a global mushroom trip?
 

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Haven’t watched the video yet, that’s a later thing, but will this flotilla land in Egypt, then queue up at an actual border crossing (?) or just try and run the gauntlet into a war zone?

If they’re going to the border crossing in Egypt, then it’s aid they are trying to distribute…but if it’s to run straight into Gaza, then it’s publicity/propaganda they’re trying to distribute.

(Just curious before I actually watch the video later on)
 

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Haven’t watched the video yet, that’s a later thing, but will this flotilla land in Egypt, then queue up at an actual border crossing (?) or just try and run the gauntlet into a war zone?

If they’re going to the border crossing in Egypt, then it’s aid they are trying to distribute…but if it’s to run straight into Gaza, then it’s publicity/propaganda they’re trying to distribute.

(Just curious before I actually watch the video later on)
Its just more illegal Israeli actions that you'll blame Hamas for.

His efforts will be blocked just like this;