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No, he won't, because like PP (who also may not win his riding), he's not an effective leader and people right now do NOT like him.
Hasn’t PP won his own riding eight consecutive times so far in the last two decades? Hasn’t Carney not won Arya’s riding even once as of this point?

Not that the past is any indication of future events or anything, but it doesn’t hurt to be aware of the history involved. While past events can offer valuable insights and potential patterns, they are not always a perfect predictor of future events, as circumstances and factors can change significantly.
 
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American invasion of Canada would spark decades-long insurgency, expert predicts
Author of the article:Canadian Press
Canadian Press
Michael MacDonald
Published Mar 30, 2025 • 5 minute read

HALIFAX — If U.S. President Donald Trump fails in his stated goal of annexing Canada through economic force, what would happen if he ordered the world’s most powerful military to invade?


Some experts and academics say it’s a notion too preposterous to even contemplate. But Aisha Ahmad isn’t one of them.

“When you look at the power (imbalance) between the U.S. and Canada, an invasion would immediately result in the defeat of the Canadian Armed Forces,” said the University of Toronto political science professor, who last month published an essay on the subject in The Conversation.

“But a conventional military victory is not the end of this story. It’s just the beginning.”

Trump started openly musing about making Canada the 51st state in December, and on Jan. 7 he said the United States might use the military to seize control of Greenland and the Panama Canal. When asked that day if he would use military force to annex Canada, he said: “No, economic force.” The incendiary comments left Canadians wondering just how far Trump would go to achieve such an audacious power grab.


Ahmad, who has studied insurgencies for more than 20 years, says that if the United States were “reckless” enough to invade its northern neighbour, a violent repression of the Canadian population would herald the beginning of a decades-long resistance.

“It’s impossible to annex Canada without violence,” said Ahmad, who has advised generals at the Pentagon about counter-insurgency strategies. “No one is born an insurgent or resistance fighter. This is something that happens to people when their mom is killed, or when their kids are unable to get to a hospital. People fight back because they have to.”

Ahmad said otherwise ordinary citizens would start engaging in mild civil disobedience — cutting wires, diverting funds, thwarting the occupiers in small ways. Others would escalate to sabotage, ambushes and raids, sowing disorder and slowly draining the invading army of its energy and resources. Neighbours would provide the insurgents with safe havens, allowing them to fade back into the population.


“The research on guerrilla wars clearly shows that weaker parties can use unconventional methods to cripple a more powerful enemy over many years,” Ahmad wrote in The Conversation.

“This approach treats waging war as a secret, part-time job that an ordinary person can do …. Trump is delusional if he believes that 40 million Canadians will passively accept conquest.”

If only one per cent of Canada’s population worked to undermine American forces, that would be 400,000 insurgents. That’s about 10 times the number of Taliban fighters who outlasted the American-led coalition during a brutal 20-year war in Afghanistan, Ahmad said. Americans have a poor track record at counter-insurgency, she said, pointing to U.S.-led wars in Iraq, Vietnam and elsewhere.


Howard Coombs, director of the Queen’s Centre for International and Defence Policy in Kingston, Ont., agreed that a successful invasion wouldn’t take long, but he insisted it wouldn’t be particularly violent.

The U.S. military would try to limit the amount of destruction and death to prevent creating a disaffected population, he said. It’s a strategy that showed some success for the American and Canadian militaries during the war in Afghanistan, he added.

“Having a co-operative population or a neutral population is preferable to having a population that would fight you in thousands of small ways,” said Coombs, a graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College at Fort Leavenworth in Kansas.

“I served with the Americans and I trained with the Americans,” he said. “I spent two years in their system, learning how they fight wars. They don’t need to come in with overwhelming force. I don’t understand why we would think they would.”


Coombs, who retired from full-time duty with the Canadian military in 2003, also challenged the idea that Canadians would be able to mount a prolonged and violent resistance.

“We all like to think in our hearts that we would fight to the bitter end, but I honestly don’t think that would be the case,” he said, adding that the insurgency wouldn’t last long because supplies would quickly run out. “We don’t have a porous border that would allow the shipment of supplies to Canadians …. Is Russia going to ship stuff across Alaska to us? Are we going to get air drops from the U.K.?”

Ahmad argued that Russia and China would be keen to support any conflict that would sap the strength of the world’s most dominant economic and military power. She said the two countries could covertly funnel arms and supplies through proxies. “I have seen this play out in other war theatres, where the sides switch so fast,” Ahmad said.


Meanwhile, American military historian Eliot Cohen said Canadians shouldn’t lose sleep about a U.S. invasion.

“The whole notion is absurd,” said Cohen, a former dean of the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies in Washington, D.C. “Even this idiotic (U.S.) administration would not dream of doing it.”

Cohen said Trump’s bluster and brow-beating should not be taken seriously. “My advice to my Canadian friends is: Don’t give him the pleasure of getting upset.”

In a recent article published in The Atlantic magazine, Cohen used a tongue-in-cheek approach to warn Americans against invading Canada, pointing out that previous attempts led to dismal results.

His review of American military failures starts in 1775, when U.S. troops invaded Quebec, where they distributed pamphlets _ translated into French — awkwardly declaring: “You have been conquered into liberty.” The campaign ended in disastrous defeat for the American Continental Army in December 1775.


During the War of 1812, former U.S. president Thomas Jefferson said conquering Canada was “a mere matter of marching.”

“This was incorrect,” Cohen wrote. “The United States launched eight or nine invasions of Canada during the War of 1812, winning only one fruitless battle. The rest of the time, it got walloped.”

Cohen said he also wanted to remind Americans about the deep sacrifices Canada made during two world wars and in Afghanistan.

“Canada is a gigantic country with 40 million people who really don’t want to be Americans,” Cohen said in an interview. “(An invasion) would be a monumental enterprise. The opposition to it would be across the board in the United States. And who the hell wants 40 million progressives in the United States? It makes no sense.”
 

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P.E.I. university apologizes for removing lemming painting that offended Americans
Author of the article:Canadian Press
Canadian Press
Published Apr 11, 2025 • 2 minute read

Christopher Griffin says the lemmings in his controversial painting are a symbol of what he sees as political harm the U.S. government is causing itself. He says the painting wasn't meant to insult anyone, but to start a conversation. The Atlantic Veterinary College asked him to either take it down or leave the residency. He chose to leave. Vivian Ulinwa The Guardian
CHARLOTTETOWN — The University of Prince Edward Island has apologized to a former artist in residence who quit after administrators ordered him to remove a painting that offended some American faculty members.


Christopher Griffin’s painting, “The Crossing,” shows lemmings gathered around an American flag as they cross an icy waterway in a boat, an image inspired by the iconic painting of George Washington crossing the Delaware River during the American Revolution in 1776.

Griffin says his homage to Emanuel Leutze’s 1851 painting is intentionally political as it reflects his dismay over U.S. President Donald Trump’s “insulting and threatening” attitude toward Canada since he was sworn in on Jan. 20.

The artist quit the unpaid position earlier this week and accused the university of censorship.

On Thursday, he said the university should welcome discussions about politics and freedom of speech. And he said that before quitting he had offered to take part in a public discussion to explain his work, but the college declined.


“On the face of it, you could say it’s an anti-American painting, it’s a critical painting,” he said Thursday. “But my intention was more of a lament for the United States. It wasn’t meant to disrespect the American people or the American flag.”

He chose lemmings because of the myth that they are known for committing mass suicide when their population can’t sustain itself. “It reflects my bewilderment at the self-destructive policies of the American government at this time,” he said.

The university issued a public apology to Griffin on Friday, saying it was wrong to ask him to choose between taking down his painting or leaving his residency.

The university says “The Crossing” will again be displayed in a prominent location at the Atlantic Veterinary College in Charlottetown, and the institution says Griffin has been asked to return to the campus to talk about his work and show his paintings.


“The decision (to remove the painting) did not reflect our institutional values, and we regret the hurt and frustration it caused,” the statement says. “Art plays an essential role in education and public life — it challenges us, encourages dialogue and fosters understanding. We fell short of our responsibility to protect that role.”

In a social media post, Griffin said Friday he had accepted an apology from Dominique Griffon, dean of the veterinary college. As well, he said he had accepted an invitation from the university’s president, Wendy Rogers, to host a roundtable discussion about his art.

“I have been overwhelmed by the outpouring of support from across the country,” he said in a post on the X platform.

“A huge silver lining is that this event has revealed the deep passion Canadians feel for our country and the values we hold sacred, including the freedom of expression. Canada finds herself in troubled times, but my faith in our people has never been greater. We are strong together.”

— By Michael MacDonald in Halifax
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Trump 'maintains his position' on Canada becoming 51 state: Press secretary
'I would reject the president’s position on Canada has shifted,' Karoline Leavitt says during media briefing at White House

Author of the article:postmedia News
Published Apr 15, 2025 • Last updated 11 hours ago • 2 minute read

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt takes a question during a daily press briefing in the Brady Press Briefing Room at the White House on April 15, 2025 in Washington, DC.
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt takes a question during a daily press briefing in the Brady Press Briefing Room at the White House on Tuesday, April 15, 2025, in Washington, D.C.
For a president who typically has a whole lot to say, Donald Trump has been quiet about Canada in recent weeks.


But if the U.S. president has been toning down his Canada-U.S. relations rhetoric, it’s purely by coincidence.

So said White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt, who during Tuesday’s press briefing was asked by the CBC’s Katie Simpson if Trump’s pause on talking about Canada becoming the 51st state was intentional.

“I would reject the president’s position on Canada has shifted,” Leavitt said. “Perhaps he just hasn’t been asked about Canada … from this group in the Oval Office. The president still maintains his position on Canada.



“The United States has been subsidizing Canada’s national defence. He believes that Canadians would benefit greatly from becoming the 51st state of the United States of America.”

Prior to a snap federal election being called a few weeks ago, Trump had seemingly made it his full-time job to remind anyone who would listen of his plans for Canada to join the U.S. as a state.

“I think Canada is going to be a very serious contender to be our 51st state,” Trump said in February. He had also repeated called former prime minister Justin Trudeau “Governor Trudeau” before Trudeau was replaced by current Liberal Leader Mark Carney.

Trump has since initiated a trade war by imposing global tariffs such as a 25% levy on all imported vehicles that started on April 3 — including Canadian vehicles that are not compliant with the Canada-U.S. Mexico Agreement.


Trump on Monday suggested he was looking to extend a lifeline of some sort to the automaking industry.

“I’m looking at something to help some of the car companies where they’re switching to parts that were made in Canada, Mexico and other places,” he said. “And they need a little bit of time because they’re going to make them here. But they need a little bit of time. So we’re talking about things like that.”

Asked on Tuesday whether any tariff relief was part of that plan, Leavitt said nothing was set in stone.

“I don’t have anything to read out for you there, but I think the point the president was making is flexibility,” she said. “And he has flexibility when it comes to negotiations and talks, but ultimately his goal in his fair trade deals that he is pursuing with many countries around the world is to put the American worker first.


“We had automakers and autoworkers here at the White House on Liberation Day who believe in this president and his negotiating ability to put them first and to bring those jobs back to the United States of America. The president has been very clear about that in his conversations with the automakers.”

On Tuesday, Honda Canada said it was not considering changes to its Canadian automotive production, refuting a news report saying it was looking to shift some production to the U.S.
 

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Trump 'maintains his position' on Canada becoming 51 state: Press secretary
'I would reject the president’s position on Canada has shifted,' Karoline Leavitt says during media briefing at White House

Author of the article:postmedia News
Published Apr 15, 2025 • Last updated 11 hours ago • 2 minute read

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt takes a question during a daily press briefing in the Brady Press Briefing Room at the White House on April 15, 2025 in Washington, DC.
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt takes a question during a daily press briefing in the Brady Press Briefing Room at the White House on Tuesday, April 15, 2025, in Washington, D.C.
For a president who typically has a whole lot to say, Donald Trump has been quiet about Canada in recent weeks.


But if the U.S. president has been toning down his Canada-U.S. relations rhetoric, it’s purely by coincidence.

So said White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt, who during Tuesday’s press briefing was asked by the CBC’s Katie Simpson if Trump’s pause on talking about Canada becoming the 51st state was intentional.

“I would reject the president’s position on Canada has shifted,” Leavitt said. “Perhaps he just hasn’t been asked about Canada … from this group in the Oval Office. The president still maintains his position on Canada.



“The United States has been subsidizing Canada’s national defence. He believes that Canadians would benefit greatly from becoming the 51st state of the United States of America.”

Prior to a snap federal election being called a few weeks ago, Trump had seemingly made it his full-time job to remind anyone who would listen of his plans for Canada to join the U.S. as a state.

“I think Canada is going to be a very serious contender to be our 51st state,” Trump said in February. He had also repeated called former prime minister Justin Trudeau “Governor Trudeau” before Trudeau was replaced by current Liberal Leader Mark Carney.

Trump has since initiated a trade war by imposing global tariffs such as a 25% levy on all imported vehicles that started on April 3 — including Canadian vehicles that are not compliant with the Canada-U.S. Mexico Agreement.


Trump on Monday suggested he was looking to extend a lifeline of some sort to the automaking industry.

“I’m looking at something to help some of the car companies where they’re switching to parts that were made in Canada, Mexico and other places,” he said. “And they need a little bit of time because they’re going to make them here. But they need a little bit of time. So we’re talking about things like that.”

Asked on Tuesday whether any tariff relief was part of that plan, Leavitt said nothing was set in stone.

“I don’t have anything to read out for you there, but I think the point the president was making is flexibility,” she said. “And he has flexibility when it comes to negotiations and talks, but ultimately his goal in his fair trade deals that he is pursuing with many countries around the world is to put the American worker first.


“We had automakers and autoworkers here at the White House on Liberation Day who believe in this president and his negotiating ability to put them first and to bring those jobs back to the United States of America. The president has been very clear about that in his conversations with the automakers.”

On Tuesday, Honda Canada said it was not considering changes to its Canadian automotive production, refuting a news report saying it was looking to shift some production to the U.S.
Carney campaign's prayers answered with latest 51st state comments
Trump's press secretary puts idea of annexing Canada back on election agenda during White House media briefing


Author of the article:Brian Lilley
Published Apr 15, 2025 • 3 minute read

White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt speaks during a daily briefing.
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt speaks during the daily briefing in the Brady Briefing Room of the White House in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday, April 15, 2025.
Mark Carney was handed a gift again on Tuesday from the people he says he’s fighting against.


As the Liberal leader was busy preparing for Wednesday’s French-language leaders debate, Donald Trump’s White House put the idea of the 51st state back on the election agenda.



Trump has been quiet about Canada of late with no late-night or early morning outbursts on Truth Social, no rantings while holding court with reporters in the Oval Office.

While the words didn’t come out of Trump’s mouth, all of that changed during a press briefing Tuesday at the White House.

“President Trump’s tone when it comes to Canada-U.S. relations, Canadians have noticed it’s shifted a bit in the past few weeks ever since the election campaign started. He’s stopped talking about Canada becoming the 51st state, at least publicly. I’m wondering if that is on purpose and why?” CBC reporter Katie Simpson asked Trump’s Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt.

The answer was what everyone working on the Carney campaign in the Liberal war room was praying it would be.


“I would reject the president’s position on Canada has shifted. Perhaps he just hasn’t been asked about Canada by questions from this group in the Oval Office,” said Leavitt.

“The president still maintains his position on Canada. The United States has been subsidizing Canada’s national defence and he believes that Canadians would benefit greatly from becoming the 51st state of the United States of America.”



Trump, tariffs, the 51st state threats; those are the only issues that Carney wants to talk about. They make many Canadians nervous and they drive votes, especially among women and older voters, into his camp.


Why would Carney wants to talk about the state of the economy and the housing crisis we are facing after 10 years of Liberal policies supported and pushed by him. It’s better to wage a war of words against Trump and scare voters into backing you.

On Tuesday morning, Statistics Canada reported that inflation was down, but food inflation in Canada last month still increased by 3.2%. Canada has the highest food inflation in the entire G7 and anyone who visits their local grocery store can tell you that prices continue to rise.

Meanwhile, a separate Stats Can study found that the income gap in Canada continues to grow.

“Highest income households increased their share of income through investment growth, while lower-income households’ wages declined in 2024,” the report said.


Despite all of the Liberal rhetoric and their wealth redistribution social programs, the folks at the top are doing just fine, but the bottom 20% or even bottom 40% continue to see their disposable income fall. Proving that a slogan is not a plan, it turns out the economy under the Carney/Justin Trudeau Liberals has not been kind to the middle class or those hoping to join it.


As if two bad economic reports on Tuesday weren’t bad enough, the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation reported that housing starts across Canada were down in March. Compared to March 2024, housing starts nationwide were down 12.5% last month and in the biggest cities, where the housing crisis is most acute, things were even worse.


“Vancouver recorded a 59% decrease and starts in Toronto fell 65% from March 2024, driven lower by decreases in multi-unit starts in Vancouver and both multi-unit and single-detached starts in Toronto,” the report said.

This after the Liberals have poured billions into their so-called “Housing Accelerator” program. The truth is that housing starts have been going down since the Liberal program got going.

Let’s hope we get to hear our political leaders talk about real issues during the debates on Wednesday and Thursday, about the problems facing Canada and their respective solutions for fixing the country. Trump didn’t give us a widening income gap, high food inflation or housing unaffordability, the Liberals did.

That’s why, as Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre says, we shouldn’t reward them with a fourth term.
 

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Trump 'maintains his position' on Canada becoming 51 state: Press secretary
'I would reject the president’s position on Canada has shifted,' Karoline Leavitt says during media briefing at White House

Author of the article:postmedia News
Published Apr 15, 2025 • Last updated 11 hours ago • 2 minute read

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt takes a question during a daily press briefing in the Brady Press Briefing Room at the White House on April 15, 2025 in Washington, DC.
White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt takes a question during a daily press briefing in the Brady Press Briefing Room at the White House on Tuesday, April 15, 2025, in Washington, D.C.
For a president who typically has a whole lot to say, Donald Trump has been quiet about Canada in recent weeks.


But if the U.S. president has been toning down his Canada-U.S. relations rhetoric, it’s purely by coincidence.

So said White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt, who during Tuesday’s press briefing was asked by the CBC’s Katie Simpson if Trump’s pause on talking about Canada becoming the 51st state was intentional.

“I would reject the president’s position on Canada has shifted,” Leavitt said. “Perhaps he just hasn’t been asked about Canada … from this group in the Oval Office. The president still maintains his position on Canada.



“The United States has been subsidizing Canada’s national defence. He believes that Canadians would benefit greatly from becoming the 51st state of the United States of America.”

Prior to a snap federal election being called a few weeks ago, Trump had seemingly made it his full-time job to remind anyone who would listen of his plans for Canada to join the U.S. as a state.

“I think Canada is going to be a very serious contender to be our 51st state,” Trump said in February. He had also repeated called former prime minister Justin Trudeau “Governor Trudeau” before Trudeau was replaced by current Liberal Leader Mark Carney.

Trump has since initiated a trade war by imposing global tariffs such as a 25% levy on all imported vehicles that started on April 3 — including Canadian vehicles that are not compliant with the Canada-U.S. Mexico Agreement.


Trump on Monday suggested he was looking to extend a lifeline of some sort to the automaking industry.

“I’m looking at something to help some of the car companies where they’re switching to parts that were made in Canada, Mexico and other places,” he said. “And they need a little bit of time because they’re going to make them here. But they need a little bit of time. So we’re talking about things like that.”

Asked on Tuesday whether any tariff relief was part of that plan, Leavitt said nothing was set in stone.

“I don’t have anything to read out for you there, but I think the point the president was making is flexibility,” she said. “And he has flexibility when it comes to negotiations and talks, but ultimately his goal in his fair trade deals that he is pursuing with many countries around the world is to put the American worker first.


“We had automakers and autoworkers here at the White House on Liberation Day who believe in this president and his negotiating ability to put them first and to bring those jobs back to the United States of America. The president has been very clear about that in his conversations with the automakers.”

On Tuesday, Honda Canada said it was not considering changes to its Canadian automotive production, refuting a news report saying it was looking to shift some production to the U.S.
Carney campaign's prayers answered with latest 51st state comments
Trump's press secretary puts idea of annexing Canada back on election agenda during White House media briefing


Author of the article:Brian Lilley
Published Apr 15, 2025 • 3 minute read

White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt speaks during a daily briefing.
White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt speaks during the daily briefing in the Brady Briefing Room of the White House in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday, April 15, 2025.
Mark Carney was handed a gift again on Tuesday from the people he says he’s fighting against.


As the Liberal leader was busy preparing for Wednesday’s French-language leaders debate, Donald Trump’s White House put the idea of the 51st state back on the election agenda.



Trump has been quiet about Canada of late with no late-night or early morning outbursts on Truth Social, no rantings while holding court with reporters in the Oval Office.

While the words didn’t come out of Trump’s mouth, all of that changed during a press briefing Tuesday at the White House.

“President Trump’s tone when it comes to Canada-U.S. relations, Canadians have noticed it’s shifted a bit in the past few weeks ever since the election campaign started. He’s stopped talking about Canada becoming the 51st state, at least publicly. I’m wondering if that is on purpose and why?” CBC reporter Katie Simpson asked Trump’s Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt.

The answer was what everyone working on the Carney campaign in the Liberal war room was praying it would be.


“I would reject the president’s position on Canada has shifted. Perhaps he just hasn’t been asked about Canada by questions from this group in the Oval Office,” said Leavitt.

“The president still maintains his position on Canada. The United States has been subsidizing Canada’s national defence and he believes that Canadians would benefit greatly from becoming the 51st state of the United States of America.”



Trump, tariffs, the 51st state threats; those are the only issues that Carney wants to talk about. They make many Canadians nervous and they drive votes, especially among women and older voters, into his camp.


Why would Carney wants to talk about the state of the economy and the housing crisis we are facing after 10 years of Liberal policies supported and pushed by him. It’s better to wage a war of words against Trump and scare voters into backing you.

On Tuesday morning, Statistics Canada reported that inflation was down, but food inflation in Canada last month still increased by 3.2%. Canada has the highest food inflation in the entire G7 and anyone who visits their local grocery store can tell you that prices continue to rise.

Meanwhile, a separate Stats Can study found that the income gap in Canada continues to grow.

“Highest income households increased their share of income through investment growth, while lower-income households’ wages declined in 2024,” the report said.


Despite all of the Liberal rhetoric and their wealth redistribution social programs, the folks at the top are doing just fine, but the bottom 20% or even bottom 40% continue to see their disposable income fall. Proving that a slogan is not a plan, it turns out the economy under the Carney/Justin Trudeau Liberals has not been kind to the middle class or those hoping to join it.


As if two bad economic reports on Tuesday weren’t bad enough, the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation reported that housing starts across Canada were down in March. Compared to March 2024, housing starts nationwide were down 12.5% last month and in the biggest cities, where the housing crisis is most acute, things were even worse.


“Vancouver recorded a 59% decrease and starts in Toronto fell 65% from March 2024, driven lower by decreases in multi-unit starts in Vancouver and both multi-unit and single-detached starts in Toronto,” the report said.

This after the Liberals have poured billions into their so-called “Housing Accelerator” program. The truth is that housing starts have been going down since the Liberal program got going.

Let’s hope we get to hear our political leaders talk about real issues during the debates on Wednesday and Thursday, about the problems facing Canada and their respective solutions for fixing the country. Trump didn’t give us a widening income gap, high food inflation or housing unaffordability, the Liberals did.

That’s why, as Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre says, we shouldn’t reward them with a fourth term.
katie is a cunt for bringing this up again. :(