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Tecumsehsbones

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People can have dual citizenship. My son is both Canadian and American. Has 2 passports and can vote (or not vote) in both elections.
Technically, the U.S. recognizes dual citizenship with only one country, Israel. If you're a dual (or more) citizen with one or more other countries, the U.S. will simply ignore it.
 

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He stated that he took out an American citizenship in 2002. He is a registered voter in Texas! (google it)
As a Canadian he can vote on an E2 visa/greencard. He still has his Canadian passport which he mentioned in an interview just a couple months ago.
 

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Technically, the U.S. recognizes dual citizenship with only one country, Israel. If you're a dual (or more) citizen with one or more other countries, the U.S. will simply ignore it.
I think Canada is the same way (not sure about Israel). But it doesn't change the fact he is both Canadian and American whether each acknowledge the other or not.

If I was to become American, I think something in the process has me renounce my Canadian citizenship. Canada however does not recognize that renouncement. But my son was US citizen since his mom was American so he never had to do that process.
 
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I think Canada is the same way (not sure about Israel). But it doesn't change the fact he is both Canadian and American whether each acknowledge the other or not.

If I was to become American, I think something in the process has me renounce my Canadian citizenship. Canada however does not recognize that renouncement. But my son was US citizen since his mom was American so he never had to do that process.
Yep, that's how it works for us too. Unless you take a government position in your new country, military or civilian. Then the U.S. will revoke your citizenship, if it comes to their attention. Some bullshit about "swearing loyalty to a foreign sovereign."
 

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Yep, that's how it works for us too. Unless you take a government position in your new country, military or civilian. Then the U.S. will revoke your citizenship, if it comes to their attention. Some bullshit about "swearing loyalty to a foreign sovereign."
So is Musk actualy working for the US government? If so, that would be grounds for revoking his Canadian citizenship under that convention.
 

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So is Musk actualy working for the US government? If so, that would be grounds for revoking his Canadian citizenship under that convention.
Good question. I don't think he's being paid. We could argue all day over the extent to which he's simply implementing Trump's decisions, and how much latitude he has in interpreting and applying those decisions.
 

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Oh, so he's a "dual" citizen? That wasn't mentioned in the google.
An E-2 visa is a nonimmigrant visa that allows people from certain countries to work and live in the United States. It's available to nationals of countries that have a treaty of commerce and navigation with the U.S.
Eligibility requirements
Be a national of an E-2 treaty country
Invest a substantial amount of money in a U.S. business
Have a controlling interest in the U.S. business
Visa validity valid for three months to five years and can be extended indefinitely.
Permanent residency
Doesn't directly lead to a green card
Can be used in conjunction with other visa options to achieve permanent residency
Who can apply
The principal investor
Key employees, including executives, managers, and specialists
Success rate
Can be high if all required documents are submitted and eligibility criteria are met
Other considerations
There is no legally defined minimum investment amount
The U.S. business must be at least 50% owned by individuals from the same E-2 treaty country
 

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Parti Quebecois faces drop in support for sovereignty amid Trump threats
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Maura Forrest
Published Feb 23, 2025 • 3 minute read

MONTREAL — With Canadians — and even Quebecers — rallying around the flag in the face of threats from the Trump administration, the sovereigntist Parti Quebecois is struggling to find its footing.


The Quebec opposition party has been leading in the polls for more than a year, and leader Paul St-Pierre Plamondon has promised to hold a third referendum by 2030 if his party forms government in next year’s election.

But U.S. President Donald Trump’s threats of tariffs and annexation have shaken up the political landscape in Quebec. Support for independence is suddenly lower than it has been in years, raising questions about whether the PQ needs to pivot away from sovereignty.

For now, the party insists it’s staying the course. “We believe it’s something that inspires Quebecers to have people who are faithful to their convictions and their values,” Pascal Paradis, a PQ member of the national assembly, said in a recent interview.


He said it’s interesting to see Canadian leaders defend the country’s sovereignty “tooth and nail” against Trump’s threats to make Canada the 51st state. He compared the wave of nationalism to Quebec’s own independence movement, questioning why it’s “good for Canada but not for Quebec.”

“We will stay true to our message,” he said.

That could make the PQ vulnerable. A recent Leger poll found support for Quebec independence had dipped to 29 per cent. Executive vice-president Sebastien Dallaire said that’s around the lowest level of support the polling firm has ever measured.

“It’s clearly related to the current context of increased patriotism in Canada, an increased feeling that we need to stick together and stand up to the United States,” he said.


Support for the Parti Quebecois has also taken a hit since late last year, Dallaire said, though the party is still leading in the polls. So far, it’s the Quebec Liberals — rather than the governing Coalition Avenir Quebec — whose political fortunes have ticked up.

“The Liberal brand in general, both at the federal and the provincial level, has been bolstered by what’s happening,” Dallaire said, adding that the Liberals are “more associated with the fight for Canadian unity.”

But the commitment to sovereignty is central to the PQ’s identity under the leadership of St-Pierre Plamondon. Dimitri Soudas, a political analyst and former director of communications for prime minister Stephen Harper, said the 48-year-old lawyer is the first PQ leader in a long time who hasn’t been “wishy-washy” on independence.


St-Pierre Plamondon took the reins of the PQ in 2020, when it was on the brink of collapse. The party had been reduced to 10 seats in the provincial legislature in the 2018 election, and would drop to three in 2022. Paradis won a fourth seat in a 2023 byelection.

“At the time, the strategy was simple,” Soudas said. “You have to crystallize the base.”

Since then, St-Pierre Plamondon has stood firm on his pledge to hold a referendum in a first mandate, even though support for sovereignty has never climbed much above 35 per cent in recent years. But that commitment could now turn into an “Achilles heel” in the context of Trump’s threats, Soudas said.

“If I was campaigning against them, I would campaign on one issue: the instability that the referendum would bring.”


Quebec Premier Francois Legault, whose popularity has waned after more than six years in office, has been quick to seize the opportunity, arguing now is not the time to prepare for a referendum.

But the PQ has not backed down. Last week, the party published a video on social media claiming the concept of Canadian unity is a myth and that Quebec would be better placed to defend its own interests and protect its border if it separated from Canada. “An independent Quebec would be stronger,” the video says.

Paradis said Canada has not presented a common front to the United States, with provinces such as Ontario and Alberta only looking out for themselves. “The results show that there was no Canadian shield, that belonging to Canada did not protect us against the tariff threat,” he said.

Antonine Yaccarini, a political analyst and former staffer for the PQ and the Coalition Avenir Quebec, said St-Pierre Plamondon’s party must find a way to be taken more seriously on economic matters, rather than just on questions of identity.

But she also believes the PQ should hold steady on sovereignty. She said there’s a good chance support for independence will rebound if Quebecers don’t feel Ottawa has their interests at heart.

“I really think these issues will resurface very quickly,” she said. “And that Quebecers will look for someone to defend them.”
 

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Yet Carney worked for the British government, should his Canadian citizenship be revoked ?
If he was paid .... and he was to play by the rules .... then I think it should based upon my understanding of the law. What I don't know if there are exceptions for Britain as we still have strong ties.
 

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If he was paid .... and he was to play by the rules .... then I think it should based upon my understanding of the law. What I don't know if there are exceptions for Britain as we still have strong ties.
Ya & according to the previous PM he did a terrible job & the U.K. is still struggling under his policies.
 

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Don't say that. The Liberals have been peddling him as the next saviour for Canada.
Isn't there a South American country that is also warning us not to vote for him? I can't remember if it was Columbia or Brazil - it was one of the countries down there. Apparently, his business wasn't appreciated.
 

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Isn't there a South American country that is also warning us not to vote for him? I can't remember if it was Columbia or Brazil - it was one of the countries down there. Apparently, his business wasn't appreciated.
Peru (Lima Peru)
 
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