I’m not sure how it’s even possible to post a post without having a post and just a quote. That’s interesting and strange all by itself.
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Zionism is the reason Israel was attacked on Oct 7 after attacks by Zionist extremists on West Bank and parts of Jerusalem skyrocket in the two years after Bibi and Otzma Yehudit extremists took the reigns. Prior to Bibi things were far better for both parties. Those same extremists who latched on the Bibi are the ones who offed Yitzhak Rabin who was ready to sign off on the two state solution.
These asshole only want a final solution.
All you need to do is listen to them.
These asshole only want a final solution.
All you need to do is listen to them.
Oh yes. It had nothing to do with the timing of Saudi Arabia about to sign on for normalization of relations with Israel, & Iran feeling threatened that it’s competitor in the region might usurp its role of influence…so an Iranian proxy (then another one, then another other one) all attacked Israel before Saudi Arabia could sign on?
Gotta be Zionists in Ziosrael that determined the antagonism between Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Of course not. There is exactly ONE, single cause for anything that happens.
Do you still insist all Zionists think alike?
Do the Moderates who were on the brink of a civil war against extremists on Oct 6th not like Saudi Arabia?
Explain. Was Iran backing the Moderates?
Report: Iran Recruiting Minors to Attack Jewish, Israeli Targets in Europe, Nordic Security Services Say
According to Bloomberg, Iranian proxies are recruiting youths via social media, with some motivated by frustration over the war, while others, driven by financial gain, 'have no idea what they're signing up for'
Haaretz
Dec 21, 2024
Swedish and Norwegian security services have highlighted a new trend by Iranian affiliates to recruit minors in order....
Somolie gangs. Quite problematic in Sweden.
According to Bloomberg, Iranian proxies are recruiting youths via social media, with some motivated by frustration over the war, while others, driven by financial gain, 'have no idea what they're signing up for'
Haaretz
Dec 21, 2024
Swedish and Norwegian security services have highlighted a new trend by Iranian affiliates to recruit minors in order....
Somolie gangs. Quite problematic in Sweden.
I don’t. I don’t use or hide behind the term, so I’ve never insisted that all “Zionists” think alike. I just see it as a code word for “Jews” or “Israelis” and not much more.
The “Israelis” living in Israel would by definition be Zionists, or they wouldn’t live there, but elsewhere.
Why? You think it’s all a “Zionist” conspiracy so you explain it. I’ll pass.
Iran (Shiite) & Saudi Arabia (Sunni) are competing in the region for power/influence, economically & religiously. If I was going to explain/debate this, it would be along this line of thought.
Israel & it’s predominantly Jewish population are just a thorn in the arse of Islam (both Shiites & Sunnis & other subsets there of), and neither wants the other to get an advantage by normalizing relations with that nation.
Israel isn’t exactly crowding out Islam, so that’s not it, & it isn’t threatening to drown (my use of this term is not an accident) out Islam in the real estate department, so that’s not it. Assumably it’s something else then, & I really don’t think either Saudi Arabia or Iran give two shits about the “Palestinians” (they’re both large nations so either/or could take in many Palestinians if they did care), so that’s probably not it either ((Zionist conspiracies aside)).
Huh…so this isn’t just a regional thing about the
It's not code for Jew. I'm a Zionist. I support Israel existence but I do not support the fucking radicals who want expansion or an all Jewish theocracy or both.
That has always been the major bone of contention blocking peace.
Settlements aren't self defense.
After murdering
Yitzhak Rabin (born March 1, 1922, Jerusalem—died November 4, 1995, Tel Aviv–Yafo, Israel) was an Israeli statesman and soldier who, as prime minister of Israel (1974–77 and 1992–95), led his country toward peace with its Palestinian and Arab neighbors. He was chief of staff of Israel’s armed forces during the Six-Day War (June 1967). Along with Shimon Peres, his foreign minister, and Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) chairman Yasser Arafat, Rabin received the Nobel Prize for Peace in 1994.
It's been radicals.
This could have been settled 30 years ago but far right radical Zionism ended that with blood of their own people.
That has always been the major bone of contention blocking peace.
Settlements aren't self defense.
After murdering
Yitzhak Rabin (born March 1, 1922, Jerusalem—died November 4, 1995, Tel Aviv–Yafo, Israel) was an Israeli statesman and soldier who, as prime minister of Israel (1974–77 and 1992–95), led his country toward peace with its Palestinian and Arab neighbors. He was chief of staff of Israel’s armed forces during the Six-Day War (June 1967). Along with Shimon Peres, his foreign minister, and Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) chairman Yasser Arafat, Rabin received the Nobel Prize for Peace in 1994.
It's been radicals.
This could have been settled 30 years ago but far right radical Zionism ended that with blood of their own people.
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…& that’s how you’re using the term. I’m not even religious & I think I’m a Zionist, using the definition of “someone who advocates for an independent Jewish state where Jews can live, preferably in safety” but you & I & Serryah aren’t the only ones using the term…or a definition similar to how I’m defining it.
For many, I do think it’s code for Jews that they hide behind like the cowards that they are, being the knuckle-dragging woke areholes code talking around being called out.
So, what flavour of Zionist are you?
What flavour of Zionist am I?
What flavour of Zionist is Serryah?
Why do you need to be religious to support a political movement? Zionism is not Judaism.
I drew my own red my lines on what is right and wrong on this situation. Be damned if I'm going to support extremists regardless of who they are. It's the intent and actions I judge by. The lines were crossed ages ago.
All the extremist fucks can take a long hard lick of my arse. Jew Muzzie or moonbat born yesterday Christian or secular.
Seems an odd place to post this but its relevant.
kyivindependent.com
Palestinian Embassy was one of them. Who knew?
Apparently we have one in Canada.
palestinegd.ca
Russian missile attack damages 6 foreign embassies in Kyiv, Foreign Ministry says
The embassies of Albania, Argentina, Palestine, North Macedonia, Portugal and Montenegro are located in a building that was heavily damaged by the Russian attack.
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Palestinian Embassy was one of them. Who knew?
Apparently we have one in Canada.
Palestinian General Delegation
المفوضية الفلسطينية العامة لدى كندا Palestinian General Delegation to Canada Délégation Générale Palestinienne au Canada
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Here's what you need to know 443 days into the war
Israel has agreed to release around 200 Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences as part of a hostage/cease-fire deal, a Palestinian source told Haaretz. Hamas has reportedly agreed to release 11 young men in the first "humanitarian" phase of a truce. Opposition lawmaker Benny Gantz accused PM Netanyahu of sabotaging negotiations to return the hostages. A senior member of Netanyahu's Likud party said Jewish settlements in Gaza are "not in the cards at all." Sources in Jenin warned of escalating tensions in the city after gunmen shot and killed a Palestinian Authority police officer. The IDF said that the missile that hit Tel Aviv and wounded 23 people on Saturday was not intercepted due to a malfunction in the Arrow anti-ballistic missile defense systems.
Israel has agreed to release around 200 Palestinian prisoners serving life sentences as part of a hostage/cease-fire deal, a Palestinian source told Haaretz. Hamas has reportedly agreed to release 11 young men in the first "humanitarian" phase of a truce. Opposition lawmaker Benny Gantz accused PM Netanyahu of sabotaging negotiations to return the hostages. A senior member of Netanyahu's Likud party said Jewish settlements in Gaza are "not in the cards at all." Sources in Jenin warned of escalating tensions in the city after gunmen shot and killed a Palestinian Authority police officer. The IDF said that the missile that hit Tel Aviv and wounded 23 people on Saturday was not intercepted due to a malfunction in the Arrow anti-ballistic missile defense systems.
Here's what you need to know 445 days into the war
Israeli troops forced the evacuation of the Indonesian Hospital in northern Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry. U.S. Ambassador to Israel Jack Lew rejected a report that found there was already famine in northern Gaza. Around 800 parents of Israeli combat soldiers sent a letter to PM Netanyahu demanding an end to the war and a hostage deal. Hanna Katzir, 78, taken hostage from Kibbutz Nir Oz and released in November 2023, passed away. Yemen's Houthis fired a missile at central Israel overnight, the third in seven days. Israel's foreign minister instructed its EU diplomatic missions to push for designating the Houthis as a terrorist organization. Three men from the Hamas and Islamic Jihad "Jenin battalion" were reportedly killed by Palestinian Authority security forces. Fatah announced it was barring Al Jazeera from operating in parts of the northern West Bank.
Israeli troops forced the evacuation of the Indonesian Hospital in northern Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry. U.S. Ambassador to Israel Jack Lew rejected a report that found there was already famine in northern Gaza. Around 800 parents of Israeli combat soldiers sent a letter to PM Netanyahu demanding an end to the war and a hostage deal. Hanna Katzir, 78, taken hostage from Kibbutz Nir Oz and released in November 2023, passed away. Yemen's Houthis fired a missile at central Israel overnight, the third in seven days. Israel's foreign minister instructed its EU diplomatic missions to push for designating the Houthis as a terrorist organization. Three men from the Hamas and Islamic Jihad "Jenin battalion" were reportedly killed by Palestinian Authority security forces. Fatah announced it was barring Al Jazeera from operating in parts of the northern West Bank.
Did Israel explode a small nuclear bomb in Syria? Spike in radiation report says...
Reports have added that the European Union's Radioactive Environmental Monitoring found that the amount of radiation increased in Turkey and Cyprus hours after the intense blast, pointing towards a small nuclear attack.
In a step that has shocked the entire world, the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) carried out an airstrike on the weapons depot in Tartus, Syria on 16 December 2024. Through the massive strike, Israel reportedly destroyed the Scud missile facility located in Syria. However, reports are speculating that the damage caused by the strike was more serious and a small nuclear weapon might have been used by Israel. Here are the details you need to note about the Israeli strike on Syria.
As a result of the Israeli attack, an earthquake of magnitude 3 also occurred along with the massive explosion. The earthquake was so huge that it was felt up to Iznik in Turkey, 820 km away. Moreover, Russian media organization Sputnik had then said that Israel had targeted it with a new missile from a warship. However, some reports also claimed that the B61 nuclear bomb developed by America was used here.
Reports have also added that the European Union's Radioactive Environmental Monitoring surprisingly found that the amount of radiation increased in Turkey and Cyprus 20 hours after the intense blast, pointing towards a small nuclear attack.
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Reports have added that the European Union's Radioactive Environmental Monitoring found that the amount of radiation increased in Turkey and Cyprus hours after the intense blast, pointing towards a small nuclear attack.
In a step that has shocked the entire world, the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) carried out an airstrike on the weapons depot in Tartus, Syria on 16 December 2024. Through the massive strike, Israel reportedly destroyed the Scud missile facility located in Syria. However, reports are speculating that the damage caused by the strike was more serious and a small nuclear weapon might have been used by Israel. Here are the details you need to note about the Israeli strike on Syria.
As a result of the Israeli attack, an earthquake of magnitude 3 also occurred along with the massive explosion. The earthquake was so huge that it was felt up to Iznik in Turkey, 820 km away. Moreover, Russian media organization Sputnik had then said that Israel had targeted it with a new missile from a warship. However, some reports also claimed that the B61 nuclear bomb developed by America was used here.
Reports have also added that the European Union's Radioactive Environmental Monitoring surprisingly found that the amount of radiation increased in Turkey and Cyprus 20 hours after the intense blast, pointing towards a small nuclear attack.
Did Israel explode a small nuclear bomb in Syria? Spike in radiation report says...
Reports have added that the European Union's Radioactive Environmental Monitoring found that the amount of radiation increased in Turkey and Cyprus hours after the intense blast, pointing towards a small nuclear attack.
www.india.com
Israeli expert seeks new crime against humanity for waging 'kinocide'
Author of the article:Canadian Press
Canadian Press
Dylan Robertson
Published Dec 23, 2024 • 5 minute read
OTTAWA — The Israeli expert leading a civilian commission into sexual violence by Hamas is calling for global bodies to recognize “a new crime against humanity” involving violence targeted at families.
Cochav Elkayam-Levy said the world should take a stance against the destruction of families as a specific, identifiable weapon of war, aimed at terrorizing one’s kin. She is proposing the crime be called “kinocide.”
In an interview, she also said Canadians can demand Hamas be brought to justice while also seeking accountability when Israeli troops commit sexual violence against Palestinians, without drawing a false equivalence.
“We have to see Canada’s leadership in addressing the lack of moral clarity of international institutions,” Elkayam-Levy said in an interview during a visit to Ottawa last month.
Elkayam-Levy is an international law professor at Reichman University and a former Hebrew University researcher, who chairs Israel’s Civil Commission on Oct. 7 Crimes Against Women and Children.
That non-governmental body originally set out to document patterns in sexualized violence by Hamas and its affiliates during the 2023 attack and against hostages it took into the Gaza Strip.
The aim wasn’t to come up with a tally of assaults, but to instead document systemic factors in how women were raped, tortured and mutilated. The idea was to have an understanding that could help victims and their descendants cope with intergenerational trauma, and to create an archive for researchers and prosecutors to use for possible investigations.
Elkayam-Levy’s team reviewed hours of footage featuring “very extreme forms of violence” from closed-circuit cameras and what militants themselves recorded.
They started to notice six patterns of violence involving among the circumstances of more than 140 families.
These include using victims’ social media to broadcast that person being tortured to their friends and family, including hostages and those killed. Another involved murdering parents in front of their children or vice versa, while another is the destruction of family homes.
“We started understanding that there is something here, a unique form of violence,” she said. “The abuse of familial relations to intensify harm, to intensify suffering.”
Elkayam-Levy said she developed the term with the help of experts, including Canadians like former attorney general Irwin Cotler. The rules undergirding the International Criminal Court only mention families in procedural contexts, but not as a factor in war crimes, she noted.
“It’s a crime without a name,” she said, arguing that impedes victims’ healing.
She said experts in past conflicts have agreed with her, saying kinocide should have been a factor in how the world understood and sought justice for atrocities on various continents, such as how Islamic State militants targeted Yazidi families from 2014 to 2017.
“Justice begins with this recognition; healing begins with recognition,” she said.
Elkayam-Levy noted “gender-based violence” existed for centuries before the United Nations officially recognized the term in 1992.
She’s also taken aim at “the silence of many international organizations, and the lack of moral clarity,” in calling out sexual violence by Hamas, which Ottawa deems a terrorist group.
In particular, UN Women did not condemn Hamas’ sexual violence until nearly two months after that attack, and Elkayam-Levy argued the institution has stayed largely silent, setting a bad precedent for upholding global norms.
“They have fuelled denial of the sexual atrocities,” she said, adding that a constant demand for physical evidence pervades social media “in a very antisemitic way.”
Israeli police have said forensic evidence was not preserved in the chaos of the attack, and people believed to be victims of sexual assault were often killed and immediately buried.
Acts of sexual violence were not part of a 43-minute video that Israel’s Foreign Ministry has screened for journalists, including The Canadian Press, which was sourced from security footage and videos filmed by militants during their October 2023 attack.
In March, a UN envoy said there are “reasonable grounds” to believe Hamas committed rape and “sexualized torture” during the attack, “including rape and gang rape,” despite the group’s denials.
That same month, released hostage Amit Soussana went public about her captors groping her and forcing “a sexual act” that she asked not be specified.
As part of its avowed feminist foreign policy, Canada funds initiatives abroad to prevent sexual violence and support victims. Yet the Conservatives have lambasted the Liberals for not condemning Hamas’ sexual violence until five months after the attack.
In March, Ottawa came under fire for pledging both $1 million for groups supporting Israeli victims of Hamas sexual violence and $1 million for Palestinian women facing “sexual and gender-based violence” from unspecified actors.
Global Affairs did not say whether that referred to domestic abuse or sexual violence by Israeli officials, drawing a rebuke from a senior Israeli envoy.
Human-rights groups have long accused Israeli officials of sexually assaulting Palestinian detainees in the West Bank. In July, those concerns escalated when Israeli soldiers were accused of perpetuating the filmed gang rape of a Palestinian prisoner from the Gaza Strip. Far-right Israeli cabinet ministers voiced support for mobs attempting to free soldiers under investigation.
Elkayam-Levy said Canadians can call out the patterns of sexual violence by Hamas against Israelis, while still demanding the Israeli state investigate and prosecute its soldiers who undertake individuals acts of sexual violence.
“The fact that (western leaders) are trying to make the right political decision, instead of the right moral decision, is creating confusion, is creating moral blur — instead of making space for all victims to be heard for what they have endured,” she said.
To her, there is a “false parallel” being made between individual cases of sexual assault from soldiers who should be held to account, and a group using patterns of sexual violence as a weapon of war.
Elkayam-Levy said people should uphold the principles of international law instead of what she deems to be weaponizing global institutions against Israel.
She is aware that many have instead argued that Israel’s military campaign has broken international law and undermined the systems meant to uphold human rights.
Elkayam-Levy has been critical of the Israeli government, arguing before the war that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has sought anti-democratic reforms to the country’s judiciary.
She has been critical of his war cabinet for lacking any women, and has highlighted extensive media reports that female military personnel had detected Hamas was planning a large attack only to be dismissed by male leaders.
She said the world needs to condemn Hamas’ violence against families and try prosecuting those responsible. Otherwise, she fears combatants in other countries will take up its brutal tactics.
Otherwise, “we are going to see an international system that will not last for long,” she said.
torontosun.com
Author of the article:Canadian Press
Canadian Press
Dylan Robertson
Published Dec 23, 2024 • 5 minute read
OTTAWA — The Israeli expert leading a civilian commission into sexual violence by Hamas is calling for global bodies to recognize “a new crime against humanity” involving violence targeted at families.
Cochav Elkayam-Levy said the world should take a stance against the destruction of families as a specific, identifiable weapon of war, aimed at terrorizing one’s kin. She is proposing the crime be called “kinocide.”
In an interview, she also said Canadians can demand Hamas be brought to justice while also seeking accountability when Israeli troops commit sexual violence against Palestinians, without drawing a false equivalence.
“We have to see Canada’s leadership in addressing the lack of moral clarity of international institutions,” Elkayam-Levy said in an interview during a visit to Ottawa last month.
Elkayam-Levy is an international law professor at Reichman University and a former Hebrew University researcher, who chairs Israel’s Civil Commission on Oct. 7 Crimes Against Women and Children.
That non-governmental body originally set out to document patterns in sexualized violence by Hamas and its affiliates during the 2023 attack and against hostages it took into the Gaza Strip.
The aim wasn’t to come up with a tally of assaults, but to instead document systemic factors in how women were raped, tortured and mutilated. The idea was to have an understanding that could help victims and their descendants cope with intergenerational trauma, and to create an archive for researchers and prosecutors to use for possible investigations.
Elkayam-Levy’s team reviewed hours of footage featuring “very extreme forms of violence” from closed-circuit cameras and what militants themselves recorded.
They started to notice six patterns of violence involving among the circumstances of more than 140 families.
These include using victims’ social media to broadcast that person being tortured to their friends and family, including hostages and those killed. Another involved murdering parents in front of their children or vice versa, while another is the destruction of family homes.
“We started understanding that there is something here, a unique form of violence,” she said. “The abuse of familial relations to intensify harm, to intensify suffering.”
Elkayam-Levy said she developed the term with the help of experts, including Canadians like former attorney general Irwin Cotler. The rules undergirding the International Criminal Court only mention families in procedural contexts, but not as a factor in war crimes, she noted.
“It’s a crime without a name,” she said, arguing that impedes victims’ healing.
She said experts in past conflicts have agreed with her, saying kinocide should have been a factor in how the world understood and sought justice for atrocities on various continents, such as how Islamic State militants targeted Yazidi families from 2014 to 2017.
“Justice begins with this recognition; healing begins with recognition,” she said.
Elkayam-Levy noted “gender-based violence” existed for centuries before the United Nations officially recognized the term in 1992.
She’s also taken aim at “the silence of many international organizations, and the lack of moral clarity,” in calling out sexual violence by Hamas, which Ottawa deems a terrorist group.
In particular, UN Women did not condemn Hamas’ sexual violence until nearly two months after that attack, and Elkayam-Levy argued the institution has stayed largely silent, setting a bad precedent for upholding global norms.
“They have fuelled denial of the sexual atrocities,” she said, adding that a constant demand for physical evidence pervades social media “in a very antisemitic way.”
Israeli police have said forensic evidence was not preserved in the chaos of the attack, and people believed to be victims of sexual assault were often killed and immediately buried.
Acts of sexual violence were not part of a 43-minute video that Israel’s Foreign Ministry has screened for journalists, including The Canadian Press, which was sourced from security footage and videos filmed by militants during their October 2023 attack.
In March, a UN envoy said there are “reasonable grounds” to believe Hamas committed rape and “sexualized torture” during the attack, “including rape and gang rape,” despite the group’s denials.
That same month, released hostage Amit Soussana went public about her captors groping her and forcing “a sexual act” that she asked not be specified.
As part of its avowed feminist foreign policy, Canada funds initiatives abroad to prevent sexual violence and support victims. Yet the Conservatives have lambasted the Liberals for not condemning Hamas’ sexual violence until five months after the attack.
In March, Ottawa came under fire for pledging both $1 million for groups supporting Israeli victims of Hamas sexual violence and $1 million for Palestinian women facing “sexual and gender-based violence” from unspecified actors.
Global Affairs did not say whether that referred to domestic abuse or sexual violence by Israeli officials, drawing a rebuke from a senior Israeli envoy.
Human-rights groups have long accused Israeli officials of sexually assaulting Palestinian detainees in the West Bank. In July, those concerns escalated when Israeli soldiers were accused of perpetuating the filmed gang rape of a Palestinian prisoner from the Gaza Strip. Far-right Israeli cabinet ministers voiced support for mobs attempting to free soldiers under investigation.
Elkayam-Levy said Canadians can call out the patterns of sexual violence by Hamas against Israelis, while still demanding the Israeli state investigate and prosecute its soldiers who undertake individuals acts of sexual violence.
“The fact that (western leaders) are trying to make the right political decision, instead of the right moral decision, is creating confusion, is creating moral blur — instead of making space for all victims to be heard for what they have endured,” she said.
To her, there is a “false parallel” being made between individual cases of sexual assault from soldiers who should be held to account, and a group using patterns of sexual violence as a weapon of war.
Elkayam-Levy said people should uphold the principles of international law instead of what she deems to be weaponizing global institutions against Israel.
She is aware that many have instead argued that Israel’s military campaign has broken international law and undermined the systems meant to uphold human rights.
Elkayam-Levy has been critical of the Israeli government, arguing before the war that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has sought anti-democratic reforms to the country’s judiciary.
She has been critical of his war cabinet for lacking any women, and has highlighted extensive media reports that female military personnel had detected Hamas was planning a large attack only to be dismissed by male leaders.
She said the world needs to condemn Hamas’ violence against families and try prosecuting those responsible. Otherwise, she fears combatants in other countries will take up its brutal tactics.
Otherwise, “we are going to see an international system that will not last for long,” she said.
Israeli expert seeks new crime against humanity for waging 'kinocide'
The Israeli expert leading a commission into sexual violence by Hamas is calling for 'a new crime' involving violence targeted at families.
The report — titled, “Questionable Counting: Analysing the Death Toll From the Hamas-Run Ministry of Health in Gaza” — includes a meticulous analysis of casualty figures released by Hamas since the October 7 massacre that sparked the ongoing war in Gaza, along with a third-party media analysis on how the numbers have been reported.
It found “widespread inaccuracies and distortion in the data collection process” used by the Gaza Ministry of Health (MoH), including “significant daily increases in the reported deaths of women and children that are mathematically impossible.”
Indeed, Fox and his team uncovered a plethora of “statistical anomalies” that should immediately raise red flags. For example, on Oct. 26, 2023, the MoH reported 481 deaths, but the number of women and children killed increased by 626 — more than the total number who supposedly died on that day. On Oct. 29, the death toll increased by 302, while the number of dead women and children went up by 328.
Likewise, on Dec. 5, MoH statistics showed 1,041 deaths over a three-day period, while the number of dead women and children increased by 1,353, suggesting that “the number of men killed in Gaza actually declined over those days, despite heavy combat action.”
As the report notes, “No evidence has been produced to show that the IDF has deliberately targeted civilians, which is what casualty outcomes of the type generated by the ministry imply was happening. In fact, if the figures are taken on face value, they would suggest the IDF was actively choosing to prioritize the killing of civilians rather than armed combatants,” which is clearly not the case, given the number of Israeli soldiers who died on the battlefield.
Fox’s team also found inconsistencies between the ministry’s raw fatality lists, which show a higher proportion of male casualties, and its reports, as well as between data collected from MoH-run hospitals, in which men account for 42 per cent of deaths, and from families reporting through an online form, in which males make up 62 per cent of the total.
In what appears to be a deliberate attempt to increase the number of dead women and children, the report uncovered over 100 instances in which the ages of 18- and 19-year-olds were reduced by one year between reporting periods so they would be counted as children, along with adults who had been misclassified as kids and men who were listed as women.
MoH statistics, which purport to only include those who have died from “Israeli aggression,” were also found to include people who died in accidents or were killed by terrorists or other criminals, such as a young boy who was shot by Hamas last December while trying to obtain food from an aid shipment.
The official death count also includes Gazans who died from misfired terrorist rockets, such as in the infamous Al-Ahli Hospital complex explosion. Hamas blamed the explosion on Israel and said it resulted in 471 deaths. In reality, it was found to be caused by a misfired terrorist rocket and the United States and France said the death toll was likely much lower.
Based on third-party estimates of between 10 and 20 per cent of terrorist rockets failing to reach their targets within Israel, the report estimates that over 1,000 have detonated within Gaza since the start of the war, though how many people died as a result remains unknown.
Another glaring red flag is the fact that the Ministry of Health has not reported any people dying of natural causes since the war began. Based on historic data, the report estimates that around 5,000 people included in the fatality figures would have died naturally. It even found numerous instances of people who were listed as having died in war, but then appeared on lists of cancer patients weeks later.
Making matters worse, Hamas’s figures do not distinguish between civilian and combatant deaths. This is a deliberate, long-running strategy on the part of Hamas. In 2014, the MoH released guidelines for “social media activists,” which stated that, “Anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from Gaza or Palestine, before we talk about his status in jihad or his military rank. Don’t forget to always add ‘innocent civilian’ … in your description of those killed in Israeli attacks.”
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Unfortunately, these guidelines now appear to have been adopted by much of the mainstream media. An analysis of 1,378 articles published by eight major English-language news outlets found that 98 per cent regurgitated Hamas’s biased statistics…
…and just 16 per cent noted that they don’t distinguish between civilians and combatants.
Although the report didn’t attempt to estimate the true death count in Gaza, the numbers are not significantly out of line with many other modern conflicts. Hamas claims that around 45,000 Gazans have died since October 7. Israel says that, as of last month, it had killed at least 18,000 terrorists, along with 1,000 who invaded Israel on that fateful day.
By my calculations, that puts the civilian casualty ratio at about 1.4:1, or 58 per cent. Given all the inaccuracies in Hamas’s reporting, it is likely closer to 1:1, if not lower. But even if we take the numbers at face value, the 58 per cent civilian death rate is significantly lower than estimates for the Iraq War (66-67 per cent) and the Persian Gulf War (87-88 per cent).
In fact, the deaths reported by Hamas in all its wars with Israel since it assumed control of the Gaza Strip in 2007 (49,000) is dwarfed by the number of civilians and opposition fighters who are estimated to have died during the 10-year war in Iraq (223,500-254,000) or the 20-year war in Afghanistan (99,000). The rest at the above link.
It found “widespread inaccuracies and distortion in the data collection process” used by the Gaza Ministry of Health (MoH), including “significant daily increases in the reported deaths of women and children that are mathematically impossible.”
Indeed, Fox and his team uncovered a plethora of “statistical anomalies” that should immediately raise red flags. For example, on Oct. 26, 2023, the MoH reported 481 deaths, but the number of women and children killed increased by 626 — more than the total number who supposedly died on that day. On Oct. 29, the death toll increased by 302, while the number of dead women and children went up by 328.
Likewise, on Dec. 5, MoH statistics showed 1,041 deaths over a three-day period, while the number of dead women and children increased by 1,353, suggesting that “the number of men killed in Gaza actually declined over those days, despite heavy combat action.”
As the report notes, “No evidence has been produced to show that the IDF has deliberately targeted civilians, which is what casualty outcomes of the type generated by the ministry imply was happening. In fact, if the figures are taken on face value, they would suggest the IDF was actively choosing to prioritize the killing of civilians rather than armed combatants,” which is clearly not the case, given the number of Israeli soldiers who died on the battlefield.Fox’s team also found inconsistencies between the ministry’s raw fatality lists, which show a higher proportion of male casualties, and its reports, as well as between data collected from MoH-run hospitals, in which men account for 42 per cent of deaths, and from families reporting through an online form, in which males make up 62 per cent of the total.
In what appears to be a deliberate attempt to increase the number of dead women and children, the report uncovered over 100 instances in which the ages of 18- and 19-year-olds were reduced by one year between reporting periods so they would be counted as children, along with adults who had been misclassified as kids and men who were listed as women.
MoH statistics, which purport to only include those who have died from “Israeli aggression,” were also found to include people who died in accidents or were killed by terrorists or other criminals, such as a young boy who was shot by Hamas last December while trying to obtain food from an aid shipment.
The official death count also includes Gazans who died from misfired terrorist rockets, such as in the infamous Al-Ahli Hospital complex explosion. Hamas blamed the explosion on Israel and said it resulted in 471 deaths. In reality, it was found to be caused by a misfired terrorist rocket and the United States and France said the death toll was likely much lower.
Based on third-party estimates of between 10 and 20 per cent of terrorist rockets failing to reach their targets within Israel, the report estimates that over 1,000 have detonated within Gaza since the start of the war, though how many people died as a result remains unknown.
Another glaring red flag is the fact that the Ministry of Health has not reported any people dying of natural causes since the war began. Based on historic data, the report estimates that around 5,000 people included in the fatality figures would have died naturally. It even found numerous instances of people who were listed as having died in war, but then appeared on lists of cancer patients weeks later.
Making matters worse, Hamas’s figures do not distinguish between civilian and combatant deaths. This is a deliberate, long-running strategy on the part of Hamas. In 2014, the MoH released guidelines for “social media activists,” which stated that, “Anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from Gaza or Palestine, before we talk about his status in jihad or his military rank. Don’t forget to always add ‘innocent civilian’ … in your description of those killed in Israeli attacks.”
Jesse Kline: Exposing Hamas’s phony casualty statistics — National Post
A new report uncovers significant 'statistical anomalies' in Hamas's account of the death toll in the war in Gaza
…and just 16 per cent noted that they don’t distinguish between civilians and combatants.
Although the report didn’t attempt to estimate the true death count in Gaza, the numbers are not significantly out of line with many other modern conflicts. Hamas claims that around 45,000 Gazans have died since October 7. Israel says that, as of last month, it had killed at least 18,000 terrorists, along with 1,000 who invaded Israel on that fateful day.
By my calculations, that puts the civilian casualty ratio at about 1.4:1, or 58 per cent. Given all the inaccuracies in Hamas’s reporting, it is likely closer to 1:1, if not lower. But even if we take the numbers at face value, the 58 per cent civilian death rate is significantly lower than estimates for the Iraq War (66-67 per cent) and the Persian Gulf War (87-88 per cent).
In fact, the deaths reported by Hamas in all its wars with Israel since it assumed control of the Gaza Strip in 2007 (49,000) is dwarfed by the number of civilians and opposition fighters who are estimated to have died during the 10-year war in Iraq (223,500-254,000) or the 20-year war in Afghanistan (99,000). The rest at the above link.
I wonder if this explains why these Israeli’s keep having the citizens of Gaza rotate out of what’s gonna be the next combat zone?
The data suggests not only that Hamas is engaging in a systematic campaign to make it seem as though Israel is deliberately targeting civilians — which the media is buying hook, line and sinker — but that, far from being some some sort of “genocide,” Israel’s actions are actually in line with many other modern Middle East wars.
Given Hamas’s tactics of hiding behind human shields and building military infrastructure in civilian areas, this is a pretty impressive feat.
While the war in Gaza has undoubtedly been devastating, and caused much harm to the civilian population, it is important to put the numbers into perspective.
The data suggests not only that Hamas is engaging in a systematic campaign to make it seem as though Israel is deliberately targeting civilians — which the media is buying hook, line and sinker — but that, far from being some some sort of “genocide,” Israel’s actions are actually in line with many other modern Middle East wars.
Given Hamas’s tactics of hiding behind human shields and building military infrastructure in civilian areas, this is a pretty impressive feat.
The report — titled, “Questionable Counting: Analysing the Death Toll From the Hamas-Run Ministry of Health in Gaza” — includes a meticulous analysis of casualty figures released by Hamas since the October 7 massacre that sparked the ongoing war in Gaza, along with a third-party media analysis on how the numbers have been reported.
It found “widespread inaccuracies and distortion in the data collection process” used by the Gaza Ministry of Health (MoH), including “significant daily increases in the reported deaths of women and children that are mathematically impossible.”
Indeed, Fox and his team uncovered a plethora of “statistical anomalies” that should immediately raise red flags. For example, on Oct. 26, 2023, the MoH reported 481 deaths, but the number of women and children killed increased by 626 — more than the total number who supposedly died on that day. On Oct. 29, the death toll increased by 302, while the number of dead women and children went up by 328.
Likewise, on Dec. 5, MoH statistics showed 1,041 deaths over a three-day period, while the number of dead women and children increased by 1,353, suggesting that “the number of men killed in Gaza actually declined over those days, despiteheavy combat action.”
As the report notes, “No evidence has been produced to show that the IDF has deliberately targeted civilians, which is what casualty outcomes of the type generated by the ministry imply was happening. In fact, if the figures are taken on face value, they would suggest the IDF was actively choosing to prioritize the killing of civilians rather than armed combatants,” which is clearly not the case, given the number of Israeli soldiers who died on the battlefield.
Fox’s team also found inconsistencies between the ministry’s raw fatality lists, which show a higher proportion of male casualties, and its reports, as well as between data collected from MoH-run hospitals, in which men account for 42 per cent of deaths, and from families reporting through an online form, in which males make up 62 per cent of the total.
In what appears to be a deliberate attempt to increase the number of dead women and children, the report uncovered over 100 instances in which the ages of 18- and 19-year-olds were reduced by one year between reporting periods so they would be counted as children, along with adults who had been misclassified as kids and men who were listed as women.
MoH statistics, which purport to only include those who have died from “Israeli aggression,” were also found to include people who died in accidents or were killed by terrorists or other criminals, such as a young boy who was shot by Hamas last December while trying to obtain food from an aid shipment.
The official death count also includes Gazans who died from misfired terrorist rockets, such as in the infamous Al-Ahli Hospital complex explosion. Hamas blamed the explosion on Israel and said it resulted in 471 deaths. In reality, it was found to be caused by a misfired terrorist rocket and the United States and France said the death toll was likely much lower.
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Based on third-party estimates of between 10 and 20 per cent of terrorist rockets failing to reach their targets within Israel, the report estimates that over 1,000 have detonated within Gaza since the start of the war, though how many people died as a result remains unknown.
Another glaring red flag is the fact that the Ministry of Health has not reported any people dying of natural causes since the war began. Based on historic data, the report estimates that around 5,000 people included in the fatality figures would have died naturally. It even found numerous instances of people who were listed as having died in war, but then appeared on lists of cancer patients weeks later.
Making matters worse, Hamas’s figures do not distinguish between civilian and combatant deaths. This is a deliberate, long-running strategy on the part of Hamas. In 2014, the MoH released guidelines for “social media activists,” which stated that, “Anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from Gaza or Palestine, before we talk about his status in jihad or his military rank. Don’t forget to always add ‘innocent civilian’ … in your description of those killed in Israeli attacks.”
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Unfortunately, these guidelines now appear to have been adopted by much of the mainstream media. An analysis of 1,378 articles published by eight major English-language news outlets found that 98 per cent regurgitated Hamas’s biased statistics, and just 16 per cent noted that they don’t distinguish between civilians and combatants.Jesse Kline: Exposing Hamas’s phony casualty statistics — National Post
A new report uncovers significant 'statistical anomalies' in Hamas's account of the death toll in the war in Gaza
Although the report didn’t attempt to estimate the true death count in Gaza, the numbers are not significantly out of line with many other modern conflicts. Hamas claims that around 45,000 Gazans have died since October 7. Israel says that, as of last month, it had killed at least 18,000 terrorists, along with 1,000 who invaded Israel on that fateful day.
By my calculations, that puts the civilian casualty ratio at about 1.4:1, or 58 per cent. Given all the inaccuracies in Hamas’s reporting, it is likely closer to 1:1, if not lower. But even if we take the numbers at face value, the 58 per cent civilian death rate is significantly lower than estimates for the Iraq War (66-67 per cent) and the Persian Gulf War (87-88 per cent).
In fact, the deaths reported by Hamas in all its wars with Israel since it assumed control of the Gaza Strip in 2007 (49,000) is dwarfed by the number of civilians and opposition fighters who are estimated to have died during the 10-year war in Iraq (223,500-254,000) or the 20-year war in Afghanistan (99,000). The rest at the above link.
You still believe the human shield bullshit?