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Iran's supreme leader appeared at Friday prayers in Tehran and said Iran would not hesitate to attack Israel again after this week's ineffective missile barrage. The civilian death toll grew in Lebanon as Israel continued its airstrikes in Beirut aimed at Hezbollah.
The commander-in-chief of Iran’s Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC), Maj-Gen Hossein Salami, stood in front of a large banner in a war room as he used a telephone to order the launch of about 200 ballistic missiles at Israel on Tuesday night, according to a video clip published by Iranian media.

The banner featured photos of the three men whose deaths he said Iran was seeking to avenge with the major attack - Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh, who was killed in Tehran in July in an attack that Iran blamed on Israel, and Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and IRGC Quds Force operations commander Brig-Gen Abbas Nilforoushan, who were killed in an Israeli air strike in Beirut last week.

The IRGC claimed the barrage included Fattah hypersonic missiles that took 12 minutes to reach Israel and that they successfully hit targets including three Israeli airbases and the headquarters of the Mossad spy agency.

However, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said most of the missiles were “intercepted by Israel and a defensive coalition led by the United States”, and that there were a “small number of hits” in central and southern Israel.

Shortly after the attack, a massive banner was raised in Tehran’s Palestine Square, featuring missiles flying towards buildings shaped like a Star of David and the words “The beginning of the end of Zionism”.
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Iranian weapons, training and funding have been pivotal to Hezbollah’s transformation into Lebanon’s most powerful armed force and political actor since the IRGC helped establish the group in the 1980s.

Before this month, Iranian leaders had hoped that a war of attrition with Hezbollah would help wear down the Israeli military, which is still fighting a war against Hamas in Gaza.
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They also relied on Hezbollah and its massive arsenal of rockets and missiles to serve as a major deterrent against direct Israeli attacks on their country’s nuclear and missile facilities.
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President Masoud Pezeshkian, who was elected in July, accused Israel of trying to provoke Iran into a regional war that would also draw in the US. The above illustration shows Israel provoking Iran.
Israel has vowed to respond severely, with Netanyahu warning that "Iran made a big mistake and it will pay for it". Biden’s National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan warned there would be “severe consequences” for the Iranian attack and that the US will “work with Israel to make that the case”.
 

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Iran's supreme leader appeared at Friday prayers in Tehran and said Iran would not hesitate to attack Israel again after this week's ineffective missile barrage. The civilian death toll grew in Lebanon as Israel continued its airstrikes in Beirut aimed at Hezbollah.
The commander-in-chief of Iran’s Islamic Revolution Guard Corps (IRGC), Maj-Gen Hossein Salami, stood in front of a large banner in a war room as he used a telephone to order the launch of about 200 ballistic missiles at Israel on Tuesday night, according to a video clip published by Iranian media.

The banner featured photos of the three men whose deaths he said Iran was seeking to avenge with the major attack - Hamas political leader Ismail Haniyeh, who was killed in Tehran in July in an attack that Iran blamed on Israel, and Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and IRGC Quds Force operations commander Brig-Gen Abbas Nilforoushan, who were killed in an Israeli air strike in Beirut last week.

The IRGC claimed the barrage included Fattah hypersonic missiles that took 12 minutes to reach Israel and that they successfully hit targets including three Israeli airbases and the headquarters of the Mossad spy agency.

However, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said most of the missiles were “intercepted by Israel and a defensive coalition led by the United States”, and that there were a “small number of hits” in central and southern Israel.

Shortly after the attack, a massive banner was raised in Tehran’s Palestine Square, featuring missiles flying towards buildings shaped like a Star of David and the words “The beginning of the end of Zionism”.
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Iranian weapons, training and funding have been pivotal to Hezbollah’s transformation into Lebanon’s most powerful armed force and political actor since the IRGC helped establish the group in the 1980s.

Before this month, Iranian leaders had hoped that a war of attrition with Hezbollah would help wear down the Israeli military, which is still fighting a war against Hamas in Gaza.
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They also relied on Hezbollah and its massive arsenal of rockets and missiles to serve as a major deterrent against direct Israeli attacks on their country’s nuclear and missile facilities.
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President Masoud Pezeshkian, who was elected in July, accused Israel of trying to provoke Iran into a regional war that would also draw in the US. The above illustration shows Israel provoking Iran.
Youd think all these cruise missiles in Lebanese living rooms and Hamas MLRS would be fired in conjunction with Iran to totally overwhelm Israeli air defence.

Nobody got the texts?
 

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Youd think all these cruise missiles in Lebanese living rooms and Hamas MLRS would be fired in conjunction with Iran to totally overwhelm Israeli air defence.

Nobody got the texts?
Not texts, or smartphones, or pagers, or walkie-talkies, or telegraph, and they’re suspicious of the carrier pigeons. There’s a certain demographic in Lebanon that’s become telecommunications shy recently.
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Sweet.

 

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Israel has cranked their minimum wage for marriage to 18 years old, & Iran has lowered theirs to…nine?

Israel will hold memorials for the first anniversary of the October 7 attacks on Monday as the war it launched in response escalates on two fronts, with heavy bombing raids and mass evacuation orders issued in Lebanon and Gaza amid the growing possibility of a retaliatory airstrike against Iran.
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As Israelis across the country prepared to mark one year since Hamas launched its devastating attack, a region that has spiralled into unprecedented crisis was on high alert. In Israel, authorities said they were on the lookout for attacks timed to coincide with the anniversary after a gunman opened fire on pedestrians in a central bus station in a city in the Negev desert, killing one and wounding 10 in the second attack in the last week.
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In Iran, airports announced on Sunday afternoon that they would cancel all flights in a potential indication that Tehran expected Israeli jets could strike in a raid that could be targeted against Iranian military, oil, or even nuclear production. However, flight restrictions were lifted after “ensuring safe conditions”, Iranian media said.
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Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has vowed to retaliate against Iran for a recent ballistic missile strike on Israel but said he would choose the time and place.
1728272243967.jpegWashington has pleaded with him not to cross red lines that could send the region further into an all-out war. Senior White House and Pentagon officials have been in consultations with Israel over its expected retaliatory strike. Joe Biden has urged Netanyahu not to target Iranian nuclear or oil production, potentially prompting retaliatory attacks from Iran (?) against vulnerable Israeli infrastructure.
It’s always appropriate to remember (holocaust?) what happened a year ago. In a surprise attack, Hamas terrorists stormed across the Gaza-Israel border, torturing, raping and killing over 1,200 Israeli citizens and foreign nationals. Hamas also took 251 hostages — some have returned, some have been killed and many remain captive.

Taking a broader regional perspective is also helpful. From Israel’s establishment in 1948 to the Yom Kippur War in 1973, each decade saw Israel face down hostile Arab states. Eventually, many of the Arab countries accepted Israel’s existence. With the signing of the Abraham Accords in 2020, many of those same countries agreed to work with Israel, both militarily and economically.

At the same time, Israel made numerous attempts to achieve peace with the Palestinians, who repeatedly rejected such overtures. With the imposition of the radical Islamic regime in Iran in 1979, tensions between Israel and the Palestinians were turned into an opportunity for Iran to work through its proxies — Hamas, Hezbollah and others — to destabilize the Middle East generally, and prevent peace between Israel and the Palestinians specifically. Good times…& here we are today.
 

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Speaking on CBS' "Face the Nation," former CENTCOM commander Frank McKenzie, now retired, said: "Iran is the country that's in a corner. Their strike against Israel several nights ago was not particularly successful. Their principal ally in the region, Hezbollah has been decapitated, and its own offensive capability is gravely limited. Hezbollah’s is gravely limited. So Iran's on their back heel."

Last week, Iran launched a missile strike against Israel, a country that it considers a rogue nation, but its missiles did only limited damage. Iran was responding to recent attacks on its Hezbollah proxies in Lebanon; those attacks killed Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah and caused other casualties, both among Hezbollah and civilians. Fighting continues in southern Lebanon between Israel and Hezbollah, even as fighting continues in Gaza between Israel and Hamas, another Iranian proxy.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, in a rare appearance Friday at public prayers, praised those who died fighting Israel. “Our resisting people in Lebanon and Palestine, you brave fighters, you loyal and patient people, these martyrdoms and the blood that was shed shouldn’t shake your determination but make you more persistent,” Iran's supreme leader said.

Israel, which said that most of Iran's missiles were intercepted, has threatened to retaliate for its strike.

"Israel has a lot of choices here," McKenzie told host Margaret Brennan. "They can choose for something that would be very escalatory in terms of a strike against the Supreme Leader himself, perhaps, or against the nuclear program, or against the oil infrastructure, or they could look at military intelligence targets. They have a wide variety of options that they can choose from. They have the capability to execute most of those attacks."
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Though he said Israel has a right to strike back, President Joe Biden said Wednesday he wouldn't be in favor of Israel targeting Iran's nuclear facilities.

McKenzie, in response, said he thought it unwise to "take a potential target off the menu" and thereby make it easier for the other country to plan its defense.
 

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Though he said Israel has a right to strike back, President Joe Biden said Wednesday he wouldn't be in favor of Israel targeting Iran's nuclear facilities.

McKenzie, in response, said he thought it unwise to "take a potential target off the menu" and thereby make it easier for the other country to plan its defense.
Many did. We ignored 'em.

Of course, ya can do that when yer not dependent on them for weapons and money.
 
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Hamas fired rockets at Tel Aviv, forcing Israelis into bomb shelters on the anniversary of the militant group’s attacks that sparked a multifront war in the Middle East.

The rocket fire on Monday came hours after the Israeli military said it launched strikes in the Gaza Strip to thwart such an attack. Israelis are attending ceremonies Monday memorializing a year since Hamas-led militants mounted an assault that killed 1,200 and kidnapped around 250 people, with many still held in Gaza.

Israel in recent weeks had shifted focus from Gaza to Lebanon, where the Israeli military last week launched a ground offensive against Hezbollah, the Lebanese militia that has supported Hamas with rocket fire against communities in northern Israel.

The Israeli military said Monday it had deployed a new division of soldiers in the ground offensive inside Lebanon. The fresh troops marked an increase in personnel but not an expansion of the goals of the operation or a deepening of Israel’s presence inside Lebanon, a military spokesman said. The aim of the operation is to destroy tunnels, weapons caches and rocket launchpads in areas on the border that could be used in an attack against Israeli communities.

The Israeli military earlier on Monday said it had bombed launch sites for Hamas rockets to thwart an immediate attack and a day earlier reopened an offensive in northern Gaza to combat Hamas militants who have resurfaced there.

“We remember our dead, our hostages, whom we are obligated to bring back, and our heroes who fell in defense of the homeland and the nation,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said, marking the anniversary of the Oct. 7 attacks. “We went through a terrible massacre a year ago.”

Israel’s war against Hamas in Gaza has expanded over the year to include Hezbollah, Yemen’s Houthi rebels and Iran, which backs all three “militias”.

Israel is fighting on the ground in Gaza and Lebanon, and has launched airstrikes targeting Houthis in Yemen and on Iranian weapons shipments bound for Hezbollah through Syria. The Israeli military is also battling Palestinian militants in the Israeli-controlled West Bank.

Israel is also considering how to retaliate against Iran for launching roughly 180 ballistic missiles last week on Israeli territory—a response that risks metastasizing an already-complex conflict.

A year on from Hamas’s Oct. 7 attacks, the war in Gaza has decimated buildings and civilian infrastructure in the strip. Most of Gaza’s 2.2 million people have been displaced by the fighting, which has caused the deaths of more than 41,000 people, according to health authorities there, who (shockingly?) don’t say how many were combatants.

Iranian backed Hezbollah began firing on Israel on Oct. 8 last year in support of Iranian backed Hamas. Since fighting began, Israel says about 13,200 projectiles have been fired toward its territory from Gaza and 12,400 from Lebanon. It has also faced hundreds of missiles and rockets fired from Iran and Iran-backed militias in Syria and Yemen.
Israelis began holding Oct. 7 memorials at around dawn Monday—about the time when Hamas first began its assault on Israeli communities near the Gaza border—and ceremonies were planned throughout the day. One of the memorials was for the victims at the Tribe of Nova music festival, where militants killed more than 250 people.

Israel says that of the 250 hostages taken by Hamas on Oct. 7, 97 remain in captivity, most of them Israeli, including dual nationals. That includes many whom Israel has concluded are dead.
 

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A year and things haven't changed.

A year and things have gotten worse.

Israel has abandoned the hostages left in the hands of the insane people of Hamas.

Israel has also punished everyone but the right people for what happened one year ago.

Israel and Hamas has brought the Middle East closer to war than it's been for years.

And the rest of the world doesn't give a real damn about any of it.
 

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A year and things haven't changed.

A year and things have gotten worse.

Israel has abandoned the hostages left in the hands of the insane people of Hamas.
What should they have done, & how?
Israel has also punished everyone but the right people for what happened one year ago.
Who should Israel have punished for the Iranian backed Hamas & Hezbollah lobbing rockets & missiles at them for the last year now? Or perhaps the Iranian rockets & missiles lobbed at Israel a couple of times now? Or perhaps the Iranian backed Houthi’s or some other Iranian backed outfit?

Should the Saudi’s be punished for trying to normalize relations with Israel, leading up to this goat rodeo? It was sorta the catalyst for the timing of this…
Israel and Hamas has brought the Middle East closer to war than it's been for years.

And the rest of the world doesn't give a real damn about any of it.
 

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What should they have done, & how?

Who should Israel have punished for the Iranian backed Hamas & Hezbollah lobbing rockets & missiles at them for the last year now? Or perhaps the Iranian rockets & missiles lobbed at Israel a couple of times now? Or perhaps the Iranian backed Houthi’s or some other Iranian backed outfit?

Should the Saudi’s be punished for trying to normalize relations with Israel, leading up to this goat rodeo? It was sorta the catalyst for the timing of this…
The fuzzy bunnies were living life as fuzzy bunnies botbering nobody but then Iran jumped up and said "bunnies must die" so then the bunniy killers went wild?

Youre sticking with that story?
 

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Exactly. The bunnies did nothing and were blindsided. Poor bastards eh?

Nothing happened that charged the game in the years prior to the Anti-Easter? Nothing nonody needs to own up for?
You’re on your own tangent here. Take a step back in the forest for the trees thing, bunnies and all…or don’t. Your call. I think you might be looking at a couple of connected puzzle pieces but not seeing the picture that will be formed when the rest of the pieces fit…or a whole lot more of them anyway.
 

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What should they have done, & how?

I've said it before.

First thing, use their supposedly great powers at being great spies to get info on where the hostages were, then there should have been plans for special ops to go into Gaza on the moment they had any information about the hostages to get them out. And I'm pretty sure they would have had help from the Brits, Americans and other allies too. Be outraged, be pissed off but play out making like you want a deal to prevent, well... all this bullshit.

But because the current leadership are fucking idiots, they didn't do anything like that and they haven't given a damn about the hostages at all, rather they've taken their kidnapping as an excuse to commit genocide.

Who should Israel have punished for the Iranian backed Hamas & Hezbollah lobbing rockets & missiles at them for the last year now?

Themselves, since it was their stupidity to bomb the fuck out of Gaza in the first place that pushed it.

Or perhaps the Iranian rockets & missiles lobbed at Israel a couple of times now? Or perhaps the Iranian backed Houthi’s or some other Iranian backed outfit?

Blah, blah blah... see above answer.

Should the Saudi’s be punished for trying to normalize relations with Israel, leading up to this goat rodeo? It was sorta the catalyst for the timing of this…

Nope and had Israel played its cards right they probably could have gotten some of the Arab nations on their side too.

Instead, they didn't give a damn and fucked all that up too.

Hamas made a huge fucking mistake doing this and they deserve to be gotten rid of.

Israel though made it all worse and never gave a single shit about hostages or anyone else. But you and others like you don't give a damn either and you're just as happy as Israel that the Palestinians are being driven out of their homes either by fleeing or by body bags.
 

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What should they have done, & how?

Found this little gem tonight.

What should they have done? NOT this shit.




""[An] IDF helicopter appeared above us. At some point the helicopter shot at the terrorists, the driver and the others. There was screaming in the wagon," Neomit Dekel-Chen told Israeli news site Ynet.

Ms Dekel-Chen said one woman, her friend Efrat Katz, was shot and killed.

Six months later, an Israeli Air Force investigation acknowledged that it was likely an attack helicopter, which had targeted the wagon, had killed Efrat Katz.

The probe found that the hostages could not be distinguished from terrorists.

Nevertheless, Air Force chief Major General Tomer Bar said he "did not find fault in the operation by the helicopter crew, who operated in compliance with the orders in a complex reality of war".

The military has also confirmed troops were ordered to fire at a home, despite knowing there were civilians being held hostage inside.

In Kibbutz Be'eri, where 101 Israeli civilians died, a tank was ordered to fire upon at least one house, after a prolonged firefight with around 40 Hamas gunmen who had been holding 15 hostages inside and outside.""


You tell me, Ron - where's the Israeli "intelligence" in this? Where is the "The Hostages are the most important thing!" in this?

This? This shit right there? That's absolutely from people who are so stupidly focused on the blood of their "enemy" they don't give a damn WHO they hurt, innocents or their own fucking people. So long as "the enemy!" dies.

You explain to me how this mentality makes sense, how this mentality gets excused when at the same time there is the demand that the other side showing the same absolute barbarism be dealt with to the most extreme ends?
 

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First thing, use their supposedly great powers at being great spies to get info on where the hostages were, then there should have been plans for special ops to go into Gaza on the moment they had any information about the hostages to get them out.
Well, in the reality of…reality…the Jews (IDF, Mossad, whatever) are still only just as human as the rest of us (depending whom you ask, I guess) and still have to put their pants on one leg at a time.

If this was an action movie, they would’ve gone in like choreographed super-Rambo/John Wick’s, but that’s the movies. This was a cluster-fuck like most things actually are.
And I'm pretty sure they would have had help from the Brits, Americans and other allies too. Be outraged, be pissed off but play out making like you want a deal to prevent, well... all this bullshit.
That’s a great big maybe. Look at the last year and all the waffling by all of Israel’s supposed allies. Would that really have happened? Look at our own microcosm of Canada & its reaction and continuous flip-flopping. There’s no guarantee that your scenario would’ve happened, or wouldn’t have happened, but a year in, personally I’m doubting it.

Israel seriously underestimated its intelligence in advance before this happened, & it seriously underestimated Hamas’s disregard of the “Palestinians” as disposable human shields for propaganda purposes. It’s one Hell of a lesson learned the hard way for everyone involved so far.
But because the current leadership are fucking idiots, they didn't do anything like that and they haven't given a damn about the hostages at all, rather they've taken their kidnapping as an excuse to commit genocide.
I’ve seen the term genocide thrown around on both sides of this goat rodeo so often that it’s lost its meaning just as it has in Canada and elsewhere.
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….and had Israel played its cards right they probably could have gotten some of the Arab nations on their side too.
Yep…some of the predominantly Sunni Muslim nations with stable governments, maybe…as long as Israel was also a predominately Islamic nation. Oh well.
Instead, they didn't give a damn and fucked all that up too.
Yeah, that’s where we differ here. If they didn’t give a damn, they wouldn’t have existed for as long as they have. Israel will eventually (sooner or later) be a footnote in history books and a blip on the radar, but at this point until it loses, once, it does still exist.

Trying to peel the kidnapped hostages out of Gaza with the Palestinian population being used as a living layer of disposable body armour is an almost impossible task as seen over the last year, with every Hamas/Islamic Jihad/whatever member instantly becoming a civilian when convenient or actually killed.

Looking at how Israel is conducting itself on the Gaza front as opposed to the Lebanon front are two very different things though, without Israeli hostages to attempt to work around in the Hezbollah goat rodeo northern border. Whatever happens with Lebanon, Israel won’t be pussyfooting there for the next year.
Israel though made it all worse and never gave a single shit about hostages or anyone else. But you and others like you don't give a damn either and you're just as happy as Israel that the Palestinians are being driven out of their homes either by fleeing or by body bags.
Thank you I guess. Hamas/Islamic Jihad/Iran knew this was the probable outcome in advance, and it was chosen for that exact reason…& it’s worked. Yes, I, and other like me, must be ecstatic about body bags on all sides of this shit-show ‘cuz my (& others) opinions are different than yours, & thus wrongly inhuman with no other viewpoint whatsoever being considered.
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Who’s eventually going to lose in this conflict? Israel will cease to exist, and it is only a matter of time. Who will win? It’s not going to be the Palestinians as, if they ever obtain a nation of their own, it won’t last anywhere near as long as Israel has so far, before being annexed by its neighbours.
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Well, in the reality of…reality…the Jews (IDF, Mossad, whatever) are still only just as human as the rest of us (depending whom you ask, I guess) and still have to put their pants on one leg at a time.

Yep, and their government KNEW this was coming, and did NOTHING. Nothing before, nothing after...

Yet people still don't see that Israel fucked this up and "has every right" blah blah...

If this was an action movie,

It's not, it's reality.

they would’ve gone in like choreographed super-Rambo/John Wick’s, but that’s the movies. This was a cluster-fuck like most things actually are.

Yes, yes it was. But people still support Israel and damn Palestinians.

That’s a great big maybe.

Really?

Look at the last year and all the waffling by all of Israel’s supposed allies.

Yes, let's look at that.

Look at WHY they waffled...

Would that really have happened?

Had Israel handled things better and not decided "Fuck hostages, we choose annihilation!"

Look at our own microcosm of Canada & its reaction and continuous flip-flopping.

But you don't understand WHY the reaction and flip-flopping is there and that is the entire point.

There’s no guarantee that your scenario would’ve happened, or wouldn’t have happened, but a year in, personally I’m doubting it.

Yes, of course you are, because you're not capable of actually seeing beyond the "right of Israel to Exist!" extremists.

Israel seriously underestimated its intelligence in advance before this happened, & it seriously underestimated Hamas’s disregard of the “Palestinians” as disposable human shields for propaganda purposes. It’s one Hell of a lesson learned the hard way for everyone involved so far.

Well at least you finally recognize that much.

I’ve seen the term genocide thrown around on both sides of this goat rodeo so often that it’s lost its meaning just as it has in Canada and elsewhere.

Except, no. What's happened is too many willing to dismiss the genocide Israel is doing because it's Israel and OH MY GOD Israel could NEVER commit Genocide!


Yes, exactly, thank you for pointing it out and proving that Israel is, indeed, committing genocide.

Yep…some of the predominantly Sunni Muslim nations with stable governments, maybe…as long as Israel was also a predominately Islamic nation. Oh well.

And yet Jordan is decent with them, Egypt, Saudi was working towards that (which is why this was also suspect, as YOU've pointed out before) so don't use that BS that Israel had to be an Islamic Nation. There was the motions towards working better together for the good of the region.

Yeah, that’s where we differ here. If they didn’t give a damn, they wouldn’t have existed for as long as they have.

Oh please. Considering the backing of the rest of the world thanks to the World Guilt, the existence of Israel was a guarantee from the get go.

Israel will eventually (sooner or later) be a footnote in history books and a blip on the radar, but at this point until it loses, once, it does still exist.

ALL nations fall at some point or another.

Trying to peel the kidnapped hostages out of Gaza with the Palestinian population being used as a living layer of disposable body armour is an almost impossible task as seen over the last year,

Excuse me while I laugh hysterically at this.

Your point might have been valid if Israel was even TRYING to rescue hostages. Here's a HUGE hint Ron - they weren't.

with every Hamas/Islamic Jihad/whatever member instantly becoming a civilian when convenient or actually killed.

Yep, that does make things hard as hell to deal with, won't deny that.

Looking at how Israel is conducting itself on the Gaza front

I have been, hence why I am calling the current government genocidal fanatics more obsessed with power, region control, and Bibi trying to stay in power long enough so he doesn't go to jail.

as opposed to the Lebanon front are two very different things though,

Yes they are.

without Israeli hostages to attempt to work around in the Hezbollah goat rodeo northern border.

Hostages only added a minor inconvenience and a GREAT excuse in Gaza. In the North, yes it's a whole other gong show for a LOT of reasons and not because of hostages.

Whatever happens with Lebanon, Israel won’t be pussyfooting there for the next year.

No, they'll continue to be the regional assholes hell bent on war just like Hezbollah, the Houthi's and Hamas.

Thank you I guess. Hamas/Islamic Jihad/Iran knew this was the probable outcome in advance, and it was chosen for that exact reason…& it’s worked. Yes, I, and other like me, must be ecstatic about body bags on all sides of this shit-show ‘cuz my (& others) opinions are different than yours, & thus wrongly inhuman with no other viewpoint whatsoever being considered.

No, a different viewpoint isn't why you and other assholes are, well, assholes in this fiasco.

It's because you're HYPOCRITICAL assholes.


Neat little image and I won't deny there are fucking idiots out there who probably do believe that.

Most don't.

Pretty much if you asked you'd get agreement with the first, but the three remaining would be outright fucking lies. Not that you and others see that of course, or even listen when people say as much. Whether they're people living in Israel itself, Palestine/Gaza or anywhere else in the world. You. Don't. Listen. Or you just deny it's even possible to support Palestinians and deny the terrorists in Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis and so on.


Who’s eventually going to lose in this conflict?

You don't know, no one does.

Israel will cease to exist, and it is only a matter of time.

Oh please; the rest of the world has proven repeatedly they won't let that happen, and do you know WHY?

(Yes, I'm asking do you know why)
Who will win? It’s not going to be the Palestinians as, if they ever obtain a nation of their own, it won’t last anywhere near as long as Israel has so far, before being annexed by its neighbours.

No, it won't be Palestinians, because they'll either be forced out of their ancestral homes or buried under the rubble of the homes they had there (and gee, that sounds and AWFUL lot like another group of people from the same region, exactly... who could that be I wonder...)

Again, no nation lasts forever; none. Likely if there was no Israel, the people of the area would be sucked up - again - into some other power in the region, and there'd be fighting because of the Religious bullshit that comes with the crazy there.


As for your map - your map does not apply to the modern reality of the region. Stop being the poster spokesperson for ignorance for the usual Western ignorance of the area.




Those are MUCH better representations of the facts in the region and why it's usually a shitshow.
 

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You’re on your own tangent here. Take a step back in the forest for the trees thing, bunnies and all…or don’t. Your call. I think you might be looking at a couple of connected puzzle pieces but not seeing the picture that will be formed when the rest of the pieces fit…or a whole lot more of them anyway.
There are no fuzzy bunnies. The blues brothers have gone wrong.