What led up to the attack? It was all quiet on the bunny farm then out of the blue for no reason.....?
Hamas attacks Israel
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Allah moves in predictable ways. Timing's a little fucked-up, but you always know where they're headed.
The potential normalization of relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel, with Saudi Arabia and Iran, being competitors, led to Oct 7th from Iran’s proxies.
It’s a “Sunni’s Shiite not playing well with each other…or one playing well with Israel jeopardizing Irans instability & influence on the other nations in the neighbourhood.”
In September 2023, Israeli tourism minister Haim Katz attended a UN conference in Saudi Arabia, the first-ever Israeli ministerial visit to Saudi Arabia. The following week, Israeli communications minister Shlomo Karhi became the first Israeli politician to deliver a speech in Saudi Arabia. Karhi's speech mentioned the India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor, which among other countries would travel through Saudi Arabia and Israel, and is seen as a precursor to Israel-Saudi normalization.
In 2023-2024, reports indicated that Saudi authorities have been removing anti-Israeli and antisemitic content from their textbooks, signaling a more moderate approach towards Israel and Zionism, and acknowledging the Jewish presence in the region.
In October 2023, following the outbreak of the Israel–Hamas war, Saudi Arabia halted negotiations…but that could just be an Iranic coincidence.
Iran Exposed to Israeli Counterattack After Blows Against Its Allies — The Wall Street Journal
Tehran has no good options as Israel defangs Iran’s proxies Hezbollah and Hamas
“I think that if no real change might occur, then Israel will probably strike back in the next few days,” Giora Eiland, retired major general of the Israel Defense Forces, said in an interview with Mercedes Stephenson on The West Block that aired Sunday.
Eiland said that Israel might not necessarily go after Iran’s nuclear facilities, “which are well-protected,” but he added: “Israel can cause real significant damage to Iran if we attack other possible targets.”
Israel is on high alert as it marks one year since the Oct. 7 attack by Iranian backed Hamas-led militants that killed 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and abducted another 250.
Israel could strike Iran back in 'next few days,' says retired Israeli general — Global News
'I think that if no real change might occur, then Israel will probably strike back in the next few days,' Giora Eiland, retired major general of the Israel Defense Forces, said.
Is that what happened? They went after the fuzzy bunnies for that? Really?
He'll probably hang around a while.
Or maybe Kamala will help him hop the border and get a sex change, so he can become Juanita.
Hezbollah has a stronger relationship with Christians than with Jews, but they're not anti semitic like others keep claiming
“Hezbollah has declared that it distinguishes between Zionism and Judaism and that it opposes Zionism.
On 30 November 2009, while reading the party's new political manifesto, Hassan Nasrallah declared "Our problem with [the Israelis] is not that they are Jews, but that they are occupiers who are raping our land and holy places."[59]
In a Pro-Palestinian Convention held in Beirut in 2005, Hezbollah representative in the Lebanese Parliament Abdallah Qussayr[60] stated that "Hezbollah has never been against religions. Hezbollah supports all religions, it supports interfaith dialogue, and it has no problem with any religion. Hezbollah considers Zionism to be the enemy, not the Jews as a people or a religion."[61]
According to Joseph Alagha, Hezbollah "only regards the Jews living in Israel as Zionists, who should be killed".[62] Alagha concluded that Hezbollah "neither discriminates against the Jews as a religion nor as a race" and that it is "not anti-Semitic in its overall orientation."[62]
Commenting on a recent project for rebuilding the Maghen Abraham Synagoguein Beirut, Hussein Rahhal, a spokesman for Hezbollah said that the group supported the restoration of the synagogue: "We respect the Jewish religion just like we do Christianity.... The Jews have always lived among us. We have an issue with Israel's occupation of land."[63]
Some Orthodox Jews from Neturei Kartahave expressed their support for Hezbollah and their anti zionist struggle”
Certainly there are some anti semitic elements of Hezbollah that can't be ignored. Hezbollah membership ranges from Islamist, Christian, and secular and it is certainly true that some of these members express anti semitic view points, out of anger toward Israel. But as a whole Hezbollah is not anti semitic. The type of anti semitism some members of Hezbollah and Hamas should be looked at as reactionary anger toward Zionist occupation. While there are members who distinguish between Jews and Zionists some believe that all Jews are responsible
'He's a Bad Fucking Guy': New Woodward Book Gives Unfiltered View of Biden-Netanyahu Rift
Excerpts from journalist Bob Woodward's upcoming book, 'War,' say the U.S. president described the Israeli prime minister as 'a fucking liar' and accused him of having no war strategy
Ben Samuels
Washington
Oct 8, 2024 5:32 pm IDT
WASHINGTON – U.S. President Joe Biden's growing disillusionment with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the year
No shit Joe.
Excerpts from journalist Bob Woodward's upcoming book, 'War,' say the U.S. president described the Israeli prime minister as 'a fucking liar' and accused him of having no war strategy
Ben Samuels
Washington
Oct 8, 2024 5:32 pm IDT
WASHINGTON – U.S. President Joe Biden's growing disillusionment with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in the year
No shit Joe.
That’s an interesting term when you actually break it down and define it, versus Islamaphobic when you break that down and define it.
One being against…& the other being afraid of.
Check again.
anti-Islamic
adjective
an·ti-Is·lam·ic ˌan-ˌtī-i-ˈslä-mik ˌan-tē- +
: characterized by or expressing opposition to or hostility toward Islam or Islamic people : anti-muslim
Are you afraid of Islam or hostile?
Neither, & it’s not anti-Islamic, but phobic, for the term vs anti for the Jews.
Guess this should really be in the thread on Amira Elghawaby, but I just see it as interesting in the difference in the two terms used. She’s not the Anti-Islam rep, etc…but the phobic rep.
Anyhow…back to Hamas. Hamas' messaging on the first anniversary of October 7 focused on an attempt to justify the attack, to cite military achievements and to show that it remains stable. The group's leaders and spokespeople repeatedly proclaimed that what they call the "Al Aqsa Flood" was a necessary move in response to Israeli aggression and oppression of Palestinians, prisoners, and the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.
The terrible suffering of the more than two million people that live in an area that is barely habitable now was pushed aside. For Hamas, the end - total Palestinian liberty and independence - justifies any and all means.
The most notable thing about all these messages was how removed they were from reality. While Hamas' rocket fire did set off sirens in central Israel on Monday, one can't really say that it challenged the IDF, which shortly afterward announced that it had taken out the rocket launcher.
Unlike in previous rounds of fighting in Gaza, the current rocket fire means collective punishment of the local population will follow: Whoever lives in the area from which the rockets were fired will receive another order to evacuate, and this will be followed by massive aerial bombardments and attacks by ground forces, causing more casualties and further worsening the already dire humanitarian situation.
Hamas' official statement, as well as statements by Khaled Meshal, included a call for the West Bank to join in the struggle and for all of the Arab and Muslim world, etc…to join ranks against Israel. This call, too, is not grounded in reality.
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Hamas' hope for a conflagration in the West Bank that will increase the pressure on Israel has been disappointed - Israel is the one turning up the pressure in the West Bankwhile explicitly threatening to crush the Palestinian Authority. Raids up and down the West Bank have become routine, and the checkpoints that have been set up there are preventing even nonviolent protest marches about what is happening in Gaza.
Hamas' remaining hope lies in Lebanon, but the war that is already underway there is not bringing an end to the war in Gaza any closer. Hezbollah may still be insisting on uniting the fronts and sticking to its opposition to any agreement that is not tied to a ceasefire in Gaza, but no one in Lebanon or Gaza can predict for how long and to what extent it will continue to do so.
Abu Obeida, spokesman for Hamas military wing, said that Hamas plans to continue waging a war of attrition against Israel. However, despite the attempt to project business as usual, the campaign is now mostly taking the form of a guerilla war based on sporadic attacks by small cells of militants against Israeli forces. Its continuation depends on the amount of weaponry Hamas will have available, and its ability to obtain logistical aid when Gaza is hemmed in on all sides.
In this situation, the last card Hamas really has left to play is the Israeli hostages who “might” remain alive.
It was not by chance that Abu Obeida said Hamas is trying to keep the hostages alive, although he also warned about a repeat of theincident in Rafah where six hostages were shot to death ahead of an attempt to rescue them. The warning was intended to induce the Israeli public to pressure the government, though Hamas understands by now that such pressure makes little impression on Benjamin Netanyahu.
Ordinary Gazans hear these statements from Hamas and understand that the group's leaders have no operative plan that will lead to change, that there will be no ceasefire in the near future and that the world's attention has shifted elsewhere. They fear that after a year that has cost the lives of more than 40,000 Palestinians, the war will still be raging when the second anniversary comes around, with only the number of dead having changed by then.
Then, Hezbollah after firing 13,000-ish rockets & missiles into Isreal since Oct 8th 2023, once Israel focused on them:
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The terrible suffering of the more than two million people that live in an area that is barely habitable now was pushed aside. For Hamas, the end - total Palestinian liberty and independence - justifies any and all means.
The most notable thing about all these messages was how removed they were from reality. While Hamas' rocket fire did set off sirens in central Israel on Monday, one can't really say that it challenged the IDF, which shortly afterward announced that it had taken out the rocket launcher.
Unlike in previous rounds of fighting in Gaza, the current rocket fire means collective punishment of the local population will follow: Whoever lives in the area from which the rockets were fired will receive another order to evacuate, and this will be followed by massive aerial bombardments and attacks by ground forces, causing more casualties and further worsening the already dire humanitarian situation.
Hamas' official statement, as well as statements by Khaled Meshal, included a call for the West Bank to join in the struggle and for all of the Arab and Muslim world, etc…to join ranks against Israel. This call, too, is not grounded in reality.
Analysis | Hamas' October 7 anniversary message shows Israeli hostages are its final leverage — Haaretz
Hamas' calls for the West Bank to join the fight and promises of a prolonged war are disconnected from reality. While they seek to pressure Israel into a hostage deal, Netanyahu and his government remain focused on other fronts
Hamas' remaining hope lies in Lebanon, but the war that is already underway there is not bringing an end to the war in Gaza any closer. Hezbollah may still be insisting on uniting the fronts and sticking to its opposition to any agreement that is not tied to a ceasefire in Gaza, but no one in Lebanon or Gaza can predict for how long and to what extent it will continue to do so.
Abu Obeida, spokesman for Hamas military wing, said that Hamas plans to continue waging a war of attrition against Israel. However, despite the attempt to project business as usual, the campaign is now mostly taking the form of a guerilla war based on sporadic attacks by small cells of militants against Israeli forces. Its continuation depends on the amount of weaponry Hamas will have available, and its ability to obtain logistical aid when Gaza is hemmed in on all sides.
In this situation, the last card Hamas really has left to play is the Israeli hostages who “might” remain alive.
It was not by chance that Abu Obeida said Hamas is trying to keep the hostages alive, although he also warned about a repeat of theincident in Rafah where six hostages were shot to death ahead of an attempt to rescue them. The warning was intended to induce the Israeli public to pressure the government, though Hamas understands by now that such pressure makes little impression on Benjamin Netanyahu.
Ordinary Gazans hear these statements from Hamas and understand that the group's leaders have no operative plan that will lead to change, that there will be no ceasefire in the near future and that the world's attention has shifted elsewhere. They fear that after a year that has cost the lives of more than 40,000 Palestinians, the war will still be raging when the second anniversary comes around, with only the number of dead having changed by then.
Then, Hezbollah after firing 13,000-ish rockets & missiles into Isreal since Oct 8th 2023, once Israel focused on them:
Hezbollah officials drop Gaza truce as condition for Lebanon ceasefire — Reuters
Hezbollah officials are no longer demanding a truce in Gaza as a condition for reaching a ceasefire in Lebanon, rowing back from an oft-repeated promise to keep fighting until Israel halts its offensive against Hezbollah's Iran-backed ally Hamas.
There was no justification for what happened October 7th.
Just saying/clarifying.
No, no the actions and things done on that day do NOT equal the shit that Israel has done.
That's how it usually is for terrorist groups.
And freedom fighters, sadly.
That's why sometimes the two are conflated.
Hamas has been like that since they took over; hell, since they were created.
Um... that's ALWAYS been the retaliation, Ron. This whole idea is not ANYTHING new to the people of Gaza.
To say it's "unlike previous rounds" is absolute bullshit and denial of the reality of things before Oct. 7th.
Agreed, because the West Bank has it's own issues and don't need more shit to happen. Extremists and illegal settlers are encroaching on those lands and those who live there should be defending the invaders with all the restraint Israel shows...
Hamas' hope for a conflagration in the West Bank that will increase the pressure on Israel has been disappointed - Israel is the one turning up the pressure in the West Bankwhile explicitly threatening to crush the Palestinian Authority. Raids up and down the West Bank have become routine, and the checkpoints that have been set up there are preventing even nonviolent protest marches about what is happening in Gaza.Analysis | Hamas' October 7 anniversary message shows Israeli hostages are its final leverage — Haaretz
Hamas' calls for the West Bank to join the fight and promises of a prolonged war are disconnected from reality. While they seek to pressure Israel into a hostage deal, Netanyahu and his government remain focused on other fronts
As I said, Israel is invading the West Bank. As usual, but now it's using Hamas in Gaza as an excuse to keep pushing into land that isn't theirs.
PFT, not likely.
Ordinary Gazans hear these statements from Hamas and understand that the group's leaders have no operative plan that will lead to change, that there will be no ceasefire in the near future and that the world's attention has shifted elsewhere. They fear that after a year that has cost the lives of more than 40,000 Palestinians, the war will still be raging when the second anniversary comes around, with only the number of dead having changed by then.
Then, Hezbollah after firing 13,000-ish rockets & missiles into Isreal since Oct 8th 2023, once Israel focused on them:
Hezbollah officials drop Gaza truce as condition for Lebanon ceasefire — Reuters
Hezbollah officials are no longer demanding a truce in Gaza as a condition for reaching a ceasefire in Lebanon, rowing back from an oft-repeated promise to keep fighting until Israel halts its offensive against Hezbollah's Iran-backed ally Hamas.
And when you're just trying to survive, how the fuck do you get rid of the oppressive terrorists who control your life and are the reason you have nothing left, including family?
Well thats gotta suck for Jews who arent Zionists.
What is a Semite?
Adobe Acrobat
Well what are you? Islmophobic or Anti-Islam?
And why? Are you not secular? Whats your skin in the game?
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Are you still in denial that Israel is run by terrorists?Anyhow…back to Hamas. Hamas' messaging on the first anniversary of October 7 focused on an attempt to justify the attack, to cite military achievements and to show that it remains stable. The group's leaders and spokespeople repeatedly proclaimed that what they call the "Al Aqsa Flood" was a necessary move in response to Israeli aggression and oppression of Palestinians, prisoners, and the Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem.
The terrible suffering of the more than two million people that live in an area that is barely habitable now was pushed aside. For Hamas, the end - total Palestinian liberty and independence - justifies any and all means.
The most notable thing about all these messages was how removed they were from reality. While Hamas' rocket fire did set off sirens in central Israel on Monday, one can't really say that it challenged the IDF, which shortly afterward announced that it had taken out the rocket launcher.
Unlike in previous rounds of fighting in Gaza, the current rocket fire means collective punishment of the local population will follow: Whoever lives in the area from which the rockets were fired will receive another order to evacuate, and this will be followed by massive aerial bombardments and attacks by ground forces, causing more casualties and further worsening the already dire humanitarian situation.
Hamas' official statement, as well as statements by Khaled Meshal, included a call for the West Bank to join in the struggle and for all of the Arab and Muslim world, etc…to join ranks against Israel. This call, too, is not grounded in reality.
Hamas' hope for a conflagration in the West Bank that will increase the pressure on Israel has been disappointed - Israel is the one turning up the pressure in the West Bankwhile explicitly threatening to crush the Palestinian Authority. Raids up and down the West Bank have become routine, and the checkpoints that have been set up there are preventing even nonviolent protest marches about what is happening in Gaza.Analysis | Hamas' October 7 anniversary message shows Israeli hostages are its final leverage — Haaretz
Hamas' calls for the West Bank to join the fight and promises of a prolonged war are disconnected from reality. While they seek to pressure Israel into a hostage deal, Netanyahu and his government remain focused on other fronts
Hamas' remaining hope lies in Lebanon, but the war that is already underway there is not bringing an end to the war in Gaza any closer. Hezbollah may still be insisting on uniting the fronts and sticking to its opposition to any agreement that is not tied to a ceasefire in Gaza, but no one in Lebanon or Gaza can predict for how long and to what extent it will continue to do so.
Abu Obeida, spokesman for Hamas military wing, said that Hamas plans to continue waging a war of attrition against Israel. However, despite the attempt to project business as usual, the campaign is now mostly taking the form of a guerilla war based on sporadic attacks by small cells of militants against Israeli forces. Its continuation depends on the amount of weaponry Hamas will have available, and its ability to obtain logistical aid when Gaza is hemmed in on all sides.
In this situation, the last card Hamas really has left to play is the Israeli hostages who “might” remain alive.
It was not by chance that Abu Obeida said Hamas is trying to keep the hostages alive, although he also warned about a repeat of theincident in Rafah where six hostages were shot to death ahead of an attempt to rescue them. The warning was intended to induce the Israeli public to pressure the government, though Hamas understands by now that such pressure makes little impression on Benjamin Netanyahu.
Ordinary Gazans hear these statements from Hamas and understand that the group's leaders have no operative plan that will lead to change, that there will be no ceasefire in the near future and that the world's attention has shifted elsewhere. They fear that after a year that has cost the lives of more than 40,000 Palestinians, the war will still be raging when the second anniversary comes around, with only the number of dead having changed by then.
Then, Hezbollah after firing 13,000-ish rockets & missiles into Isreal since Oct 8th 2023, once Israel focused on them:
Hezbollah officials drop Gaza truce as condition for Lebanon ceasefire — Reuters
Hezbollah officials are no longer demanding a truce in Gaza as a condition for reaching a ceasefire in Lebanon, rowing back from an oft-repeated promise to keep fighting until Israel halts its offensive against Hezbollah's Iran-backed ally Hamas.
Do Palestinians not have a right to defend themselves?
Now that the Supremacists have attacked a Christian country hiw is this going to play out at home?
Canada's largest Arab population is Lebanese with the majority Catholic.
WTF? I know right?