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Ron in Regina

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So, are you trying to equate this one guy in Edmonton who lived in Afghanistan 12 years ago, who didn’t actually hurt anybody, including himself….to the Taliban in Afghanistan or to what Hamas did in Israel with 1200+ murdered & 250-ish kidnapped on Oct 7th? Still trying to figure this one out so I can respond to it. Not intentionally being obtuse, but I think I must be missing something still.

Was this guy like the “Mr Bean” of Terrorists?
 

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Sounds like it to me too, but I know little about that one yet still.

One guy? From 12 years ago. Is he a member of the Afghanistan government? The Taliban? Etc… still trying to grasp this one. Still not grasping the tangent.

Ok.

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Doesn't matter if it's one guy, or a dozen, or more.

It was a terrorist act.

You and others here have been on my ass about Hamas's attack on Oct 7, and not being all in with Israel because "It was a terrorist attack!", despite that while I agree and yes Israel does have a right to defend itself, HOW it did so was NOT the right way to do so. And other issues with the response as well.

Not only did this guy do a terrorist attack, but he supports Hamas.

Seeing as he's from Afghanistan and Hamas supporter, by your logic, we should be going to war with Afghanistan right now.
 

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OK…. I’m actually sitting down at home now so reread some stuff so I can try and catch up and catch on.
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I apologize as I tried to read things quickly in the parking lot of a Burger King as I was eating a couple of whopper juniors (2/$5) because if I do that, I seem to save money at the grocery store that I was pointed towards.

So Mr Bean-like “Terrorist” attacked the Edmonton City Hall, not harming himself, or anybody else, and was disarmed by an unarmed corp of commissioner security guard, which are usually pensioners, & though he wasn’t charged with terrorism or anything terrorist related, it’s still kind of terrorism-like…so we should retaliate against Afghanistan, where this guy moved from 12 years ago, and might’ve been born there.

That’s the premise of your comparison? Then you’re asking both RCS & myself why we shouldn’t be retaliating against Afghanistan?

I still think I must be missing something. It sort of reads like you’re trying to equate this guy to Hamas murdering 1200+ people & kidnapping another 250 others, and then holding them hostage for four months…or a significant chunk of them. I must be misunderstanding something because I’m not seeing the parallel.
 

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Doesn't matter if it's one guy, or a dozen, or more.

It was a terrorist act.

You and others here have been on my ass about Hamas's attack on Oct 7, and not being all in with Israel because "It was a terrorist attack!", despite that while I agree and yes Israel does have a right to defend itself, HOW it did so was NOT the right way to do so. And other issues with the response as well.

Not only did this guy do a terrorist attack, but he supports Hamas.

Seeing as he's from Afghanistan and Hamas supporter, by your logic, we should be going to war with Afghanistan right now.
You’re grasping here aren’t you? We (Canadians that are taxpayers) are all Terrorist supporters through the UNRWA/HAMAS link since 2016 at least. Should we Jihad ourselves (?) or just stop funding it again like Harper managed to do in 2010 with available intelligence at that time?

One guy, a dozen, or more. 1200+ murdered & 250-ish kidnapped, or nothing. Still seems like a bit of a stretch.

By the same logic, we (Canada & Canadians) can have Israel pull completely out of Gaza, UN Huff’n’Puff’s aside….and the IDF can be completely replaced not by a UN Security Force but by that one assumably geriatric unarmed Edmonton Corp of Commissioners Guy supplementing his Old Age Pension, because that one guy in Edmonton is the same as HAMAS…..& once HAMAS is subdued and pacified in Gaza….the same Security Guard can proceeded onto Afghanistan to kick ass and take names.

Don’t get me wrong….I am NOT knocking the Corps of Commissioners whatsoever. A friend of mine who is also my neighbour is one, and he’s also the one who took down the Jabroni with the machete last Summer.
 

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Was the guy from Edmonton ordered to attack by the leaders of Afghanistan? Unless he was this is a stupid comparison.

What would being told to do a terrorist attack by someone in Afghanistan matter?

He committed a terrorist attack. That demands retribution - according to people here.

And yes, it's MEANT to be a stupid comparison, because what Ron, RCS and others are doing by siding with Israel in it's revenge porn genocide against Palestine instead of focusing on Hamas is JUST as stupid.

But terrorism is terrorism and terrorism demands absolute annihilation. Cause reasons!

You’re grasping here aren’t you?

Not at all.

We (Canadians that are taxpayers) are all Terrorist supporters through the UNWRA/HAMAS link since 2016 at least. Should we Jihad ourselves (?) or just stop funding it again like Harper managed to do in 2010 with available intelligence at that time?

Should we stop funding it? Absolutely. Point of fact, after this "bombshell", if the proof is indeed legitimate, there should be more done. But that's a whole other post.

Should we 'jihad' ourselves? Well, getting rid of Trudeau would be a start. Maybe we should "Jihad" the UN? It's not like we can "jihad" Gaza, that's already happening by supporting Israel.

One guy, a dozen, or more. 1200+ murdered & 250-ish kidnapped, or nothing. Still seems like a bit of a stretch.

Only because you want it to be a stretch.

To me, it's a stretch that what Hamas did on the 7th warrants the death of 20 thousand plus people, a good half of them children. And yet, you and others are all for that, so... who cares then, bring on the slaughter!

By the same logic, we (Canada & Canadians) can have Israel pull completely out of Gaza,

It should. But not because "We" say it should. Rather because Israel has proven it is genocidal against Palestinians and being fucking human beings, things like that SHOULD be wrong and we should call it out. But, well, Israel's World Guilt gets in the way of that.

UN Huff’n’Puff’s aside….and the IDF can be completely replaced not by a UN Security Force

That would never happen, even if things were good. The world doesn't give enough of a damn to put in a UN force that would be the buffer between the two.

Privately, well... that's another topic.

but by that one assumably geriatric unarmed Edmonton Corp of Commissioners Guy supplementing his Old Age Pension, because that one guy in Edmonton is the same as HAMAS…..& once HAMAS is subdued and pacified in Gaza….the same Security Guard can proceeded onto Afghanistan to kick ass and take names.

Ah... so calling you and others out by your own game doesn't make so much sense anymore, does it?

You forgot to include the Geriatric Corp of Commissioners guy needs to go murder the man's family before going to Afghanistan to get the rest of his extended family. Cause that's how dealing with terrorism is done, goddamnit!

Don’t get me wrong….I am NOT knocking the Corps of Commissioners whatsoever. A friend of mine who is also my neighbor is one, and he’s also the one who took down the Jabroni with the machete last Summer.

Well, at least you proved my point.

Terrorist attacks that happen in Canada don't warrant the revenge reaction because reasons.

But terrorist attacks against Israel can warrant OVER reaction/revenge, because reasons.
 

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Rape crisis centre may lose funding over pro-Hamas politics
Toronto Rape Crisis Centre's sponsorship of a highly charged political event creates problems for their provincial funding.


Author of the article:Brian Lilley
Published Jan 27, 2024 • 3 minute read

It’s a sick and twisted world when those who are supposed to help women suffering sexual violence instead stand with those who perpetrate it. That’s the case with one Toronto organization that claims to support a “world free of sexual violence.”


If you haven’t heard, the Toronto Rape Crisis Centre, which has been silent on the issue of Israeli women being raped during the Oct. 7 attacks, has decided to join the “pro-Palestinian” side by sponsoring an event this weekend. The problematic part is that they are co-sponsoring the event with two groups that regularly issue demands and statements that read like talking points for Hamas apologists.


So now, the Toronto Rape Crisis Centre is in danger of losing more than half of its annual budget for getting involved in politics. The TRCC has been informed by an official with the Ministry of Community and Social Services that the organization is in breach of their funding agreements over their latest political stance.


If it were up to me, the centre would be cut off immediately; for now they are being warned to stop the sponsorship and come into compliance with the rules.

“Under Article 6 of the Ontario Transfer Payment Agreement, a conflict of interest includes circumstances including ‘outside commitments … that could or could be seen to interfere with the Recipient’s objective, unbiased, and impartial judgment relating to each Service, the use of the Funds, or both,’” wrote Cynthia Campoli, Community Program Manager with the Ministry of Children, Community and Social Services.

Under the funding agreement signed between the province and the TRCC, the centre is required to inform the ministry promptly of any possible conflict. Not only did that not happen, but the letter from Campoli stated that the ministry had tried to contact officials at the centre multiple times with no success.


The same can be said of attempts by the Toronto Sun, both Joe Warmington and myself, to contact the centre.

According to the centre’s 2022 annual report, their budget came in at just under $1.2 million with $624,119 coming from the Ontario government. That includes $540,519 coming from the Ministry of the Attorney General and $80,600 coming from MCCSS.

That’s more than half of the centre’s budget, more if you include the $57,910 from the provincially-controlled Ontario Trillium Foundation.

As Campoli noted, the centre’s involvement with a political event like this, “may reasonably be seen to or may actually interfere with the Centre’s ability to provide ‘unbiased, and impartial judgment’ relating to the programs.” That’s true with any type of program but it is especially true here.


The TRCC hasn’t condemned the rape of women by Hamas, but they are willing to partner with groups that are making the same demands as the terrorist group including that all Palestinian prisoners must be released. That statement would include the captured terrorists who carried out the rapes, murders and more on Oct. 7.

One thing neither organization has done according to their online public profile is denounce the rapes or the taking of hostages now being used as sex slaves.

The Toronto Rape Crisis Centre’s leadership should have been smart enough to stay away from such an event. That they weren’t, that they actively signed up to this and then ignored questions not only from the media, but their government funding partners shows that perhaps the leadership should be replaced, or the organization should stop getting any financial support.


Campoli’s letter told the centre to remedy the situation by, “immediately ending its sponsorship of the event and further taking steps to mitigate any ongoing risk to current or potential clients.”

As of Saturday afternoon, it’s not clear that has happened. The centre is not answering its phone and has not responded to questions that were emailed.

The closest we have to a claim that this event was shut down is a claim by a supporter citing an unnamed worker from the centre complaining about harassment. That harassment appear to consist of the province and private donors raising concerns about an organization that shouldn’t be involved in such political issues taking a radical and wrongheaded stance.

If they won’t fix this, the funding from the province must be cut and other major donors including the City of Toronto and Canadian Women’s Foundation should cut their funding as well.

A rape crisis centre should stand against sexual violence, not with those supporting the parties that carried it out.
 

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What would being told to do a terrorist attack by someone in Afghanistan matter?

He committed a terrorist attack. That demands retribution - according to people here.
So, terroristy flavoured, what has the Edmonton guy been charged with? How many died or were injured?
And yes, it's MEANT to be a stupid comparison, because what Ron, RCS and others are doing by siding with Israel in it's revenge porn genocide against Palestine instead of focusing on Hamas is JUST as stupid.
I think you’ve succeeded, unless it’s a forest for the trees thing.
But terrorism is terrorism and terrorism demands absolute annihilation. Cause reasons!
Ok.
Not at all.
Ok.
Should we stop funding it? Absolutely. Point of fact, after this "bombshell", if the proof is indeed legitimate, there should be more done. But that's a whole other post.
It’s not even remotely new news though, so it’s not exactly a bombshell. We did stop finding it already (UNRWA, I mean) in 2010, with the intelligence available to Canadians at that point in time.
Should we 'jihad' ourselves? Well, getting rid of Trudeau would be a start. Maybe we should "Jihad" the UN? It's not like we can "jihad" Gaza, that's already happening by supporting Israel.
Could we just stop sending them money? The UN I mean? Would not be the good place to start, then sort it out from there?
Only because you want it to be a stretch.
Ok.
To me, it's a stretch that what Hamas did on the 7th warrants the death of 20 thousand plus people, a good half of them children. And yet, you and others are all for that, so... who cares then, bring on the slaughter!
Huh, ok. So Of those 20,000+, or 26,000+, or pick a number from or not from the Hamas Health Ministry…how many where Hamas? 2? 20? 200? 2000? 20,000? What does the Hamas Ministry of Health tell us if that’s the only reliable source to go by?
It should. But not because "We" say it should. Rather because Israel has proven it is genocidal against Palestinians and being fucking human beings, things like that SHOULD be wrong and we should call it out. But, well, Israel's World Guilt gets in the way of that.
So, in the tango, one side’s dancing and the other side’s a wallflower? Ok.
That would never happen, even if things were good. The world doesn't give enough of a damn to put in a UN force that would be the buffer between the two.
Would a UN Force, that’s not an armed division of UNRWA/HAMAS…be acceptable to HAMAS/Palestine? Would non-Palestinian members be acceptable?
Privately, well... that's another topic.
OK.
Ah... so calling you and others out by your own game doesn't make so much sense anymore, does it?
Is that what’s happening?
You forgot to include the Geriatric Corp of Commissioners guy needs to go murder the man's family before going to Afghanistan to get the rest of his extended family. Cause that's how dealing with terrorism is done, goddamnit!
Did the Geriatric Corps of Commissioners guy resolve the situation, without bloodshed, without Edmonton Terrorist-lite guy kidnapping 250 (or 25, or 2.5 Edmontonians) that Corps Guy had to still go retrieve?
Well, at least you proved my point.
Which was?
Terrorist attacks that happen in Canada don't warrant the revenge reaction because reasons.
Ok. What about Terrorist Attacks to our Neighbour to the south…like 9/11?

But terrorist attacks against Israel can warrant OVER reaction/revenge, because reasons?
 

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Sounds like it to me too, but I know little about that one yet still.

One guy? From 12 years ago. Is he a member of the Afghanistan government? The Taliban? Etc… still trying to grasp this one. Still not grasping the tangent.

Ok.

Ok.

Ok

Ok.

Ok.

Ok.

We should also attack Pakistan for Butter Chicken. It's not really an Indian dish.
 

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Nov 16, 2016 3:05 PM CST. The federal Liberals are providing $25 million to a UN relief agency for Palestinian refugees that was cut off by the previous Conservative government for “alleged” ties to Hamas.

The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees, also known as UNRWA, lost federal funding in 2010 amid allegations it was tied too closely to Hamas, considered a terrorist organization by Canada and others.
"I'm horrified," said Conservative foreign affairs critic Peter Kent, who said there is ample proof that "massive amounts" of UN aid have been redirected to support Palistinian military efforts against Israel…back in 2016.

"We have abundant evidence that UNRWA is part of the problem."…but that’s so 7-8 years ago now…
David Cape, chair of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs, said his group respects the need to provide humanitarian aid to the region, but nonetheless has "serious reservations" about the UN agency in question and its alleged Hamas ties.

"Hamas is notorious for diverting funds and materials provided by the international community intended for humanitarian aid to terrorist purposes," Cape said in a statement.
"We have communicated our concerns about UNRWA's accountability and neutrality to the government, and we appreciate both the government's acknowledgement of these concerns and the measures Canada has now put into place to ensure meaningful accountability and oversight."
(Yes, I am intentionally using CBC Videos & News Link above where I can)
 

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B.C. premier apologizes after social media mistake on Holocaust Remembrance Day
Author of the article:Canadian Press
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Published Jan 28, 2024 • 1 minute read
B.C. Premier David Eby has apologized after he says a member of his staff posted an incorrect message in social media posts linking to his statement marking Holocaust Remembrance Day on Saturday.
B.C. Premier David Eby has apologized after he says a member of his staff posted an incorrect message in social media posts linking to his statement marking Holocaust Remembrance Day on Saturday.
VICTORIA — British Columbia’s premier has apologized after he says a member of his staff posted an incorrect message in social media posts linking to his statement marking Holocaust Remembrance Day on Saturday.


David Eby says on the social media platform X that the mistake was noticed immediately and removed, “but it should not have occurred.”


Andrew Reeve, the press secretary for the BC United Opposition leader, shared a screenshot of the initial post from Eby’s account, which said, “We stand with the Muslim community throughout Canada on this sorrowful day of remembrance.”



The original post provided a link to Eby’s full, correct statement on Holocaust Remembrance Day on Saturday.

Jan. 29 is the anniversary of the deadly shooting at a Quebec City mosque in 2017, and further screenshots show a post from Eby’s Instagram account on Saturday with a message paying tribute to those killed in the attack.

In his post on X, formerly Twitter, Eby says he’s sorry for any pain the mistake may have caused, as well as the “distraction from such an important day.”

Eby’s actual statement said this year’s Holocaust Remembrance Day came “in the shadow of the deadliest act of violence against Jewish people since the Shoah.”

Almost four months ago, he said the world watched in horror as Hamas militants killed 1,200 people and took more than 200 people hostage in southern Israel.

The B.C. government has committed to working with the Jewish community to make Holocaust education mandatory for all high school students, he added.

Eby’s press secretary, Jimmy Smith, did not respond to an email with questions about the mistake on social media.
 

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So, terroristy flavoured, what has the Edmonton guy been charged with? How many died or were injured?

Doesn't matter, it was terrorism.

It’s not even remotely new news though, so it’s not exactly a bombshell.

Maybe not to you. Certainly was to a lot more of the world.

We did stop finding it already (UNRWA, I mean) in 2010, with the intelligence available to Canadians at that point in time.

Yeah, and Trudeau started it up again. We shouldn't have unless we had proof it was clean.

Considering the reactions of the rest of the world, maybe somehow Harper was actually RIGHT on something before others.

Could we just stop sending them money? The UN I mean? Would not be the good place to start, then sort it out from there?

Another thread.

Huh, ok. So Of those 20,000+, or 26,000+, or pick a number from or not from the Hamas Health Ministry…how many where Hamas? 2? 20? 200? 2000? 20,000?

Does it matter? They're Palestinians, Israel has already stated the only good Palestinian is a dead one. Cause they're all terrorists.

What does the Hamas Ministry of Health tell us if that’s the only reliable source to go by?



I mean... you can brush those off, sure. In which case, maybe watch videos coming out of Gaza either from Palestinians, or by Israel itself, and you can get a good clue that with all the destruction, it certainly isn't going to be just 10 people dying and hurt.

Would a UN Force, that’s not an armed division of UNRWA/HAMAS…be acceptable to HAMAS/Palestine? Would non-Palestinian members be acceptable?

Another thread.

Did the Geriatric Corps of Commissioners guy resolve the situation, without bloodshed, without Edmonton Terrorist-lite guy kidnapping 250 (or 25, or 2.5 Edmontonians) that Corps Guy had to still go retrieve?

Doesn't matter, he was a terrorist. From Afghanistan. By your logic on the Israel/Palestinian situation, death to all from Afghanistan.


Ok. What about Terrorist Attacks to our Neighbour to the south…like 9/11?

Did you miss the early 2000's?

Read up on it, there's your answer.

But terrorist attacks against Israel can warrant OVER reaction/revenge, because reasons?

By your logic, yes.

I mean, whether it's Palestinian kids throwing stones, settlers in West Bank defending themselves against invading Israeli settlers, or Hamas attacking at any point, it's all terrorism to Israel. It's all demanded "protecting Israel" as a response and that response has NEVER been equal to the initial "attack" on them.

So it doesn't matter the reason. As long as it's labelled terrorism, a nation can "Defend itself" by whatever means, the more over-reactive, the better.



Now, if you think the above is absolutely ridiculous, maybe you'll start to see that so is the current response of Israel.

Or maybe not.

That World Guilt thing is like an addiction. Hard to shake.
 

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The six-page dossier, seen by Reuters, alleges that some 190 UNRWA employees, including teachers, have doubled as Hamas or Islamic Jihad militants. It has names and pictures for 11 them.
The dossier was shown to Reuters by a source who could not be identified by name or nationality. The source said that it had been compiled by Israeli intelligence and shared with the United States, which on Friday suspended funding for UNRWA.

An Israeli official told Reuters the 190 mentioned in the dossier were "hardened fighters, killers" whereas overall some 10% of UNRWA staff were believed to have more general affiliation with Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

The agency employs 13,000 people in Gaza.

Asked about the dossier, a spokesperson for UNRWA said she could not comment due to an ongoing probe by the United Nations.
 

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The six-page dossier, seen by Reuters, alleges that some 190 UNRWA employees, including teachers, have doubled as Hamas or Islamic Jihad militants. It has names and pictures for 11 them.
The dossier was shown to Reuters by a source who could not be identified by name or nationality. The source said that it had been compiled by Israeli intelligence and shared with the United States, which on Friday suspended funding for UNRWA.

An Israeli official told Reuters the 190 mentioned in the dossier were "hardened fighters, killers" whereas overall some 10% of UNRWA staff were believed to have more general affiliation with Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

The agency employs 13,000 people in Gaza.

Asked about the dossier, a spokesperson for UNRWA said she could not comment due to an ongoing probe by the United Nations.
I recall hearing a story a few weeks back, about UNRWA being caught smuggling rockets into Gaza with aid shipments.

The UN is nothing more than a paper tiger that is rotten from within. It's an international romper room where zealots are in charge of human rights.
 

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I mean, whether it's Palestinian kids throwing stones, settlers in West Bank defending themselves against invading Israeli settlers, or Hamas attacking at any point, it's all terrorism to Israel. It's all demanded "protecting Israel" as a response and that response has NEVER been equal to the initial "attack" on them.

So it doesn't matter the reason. As long as it's labelled terrorism, a nation can "Defend itself" by whatever means, the more over-reactive, the better.

Now, if you think the above is absolutely ridiculous, maybe you'll start to see that so is the current response of Israel.

Or maybe not.

That World Guilt thing is like an addiction. Hard to shake.
I think that the surge in popularity Palestinians were enjoying is shrinking. I mean there will still be protesters, absolutely. But some people are waking up to the fact that the Palestinians aren't the victims they play themselves as. That they have infiltrated, and perverted a humanitarian arm of the UN designed to help their own people, but instead use it as cover while they attack, kill, and abduct.

You like to rant about the casualties. When you want to win a war, casualties are a part of the deal. No getting around it. It makes it even worse when the Freedom Fighters use their own people as human shields. Criticism of Israel and the IDF is easy, but hiding under schools in hospitals, knowing that you are sacrificing women and children, people in hospitals having babies takes a special kind of freedom fighter.

We hear no criticism of the scumbags who knew that this would happen and put their own citizens in front of the falling bombs and bullets. Fuck, even Nazis Germany met us on the battlefield, and they were voted the biggest Dicks of the 20th century. I just don't know what the disconnect is.

If everyone backed away from them and said no more, this mentality would be soon purged, but we keep feeding the terror addict by ignoring the obvious because we're distracted by the poor Palestinians.
 
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Another article published Monday in the Wall Street Journal suggests as many as 10 per cent of UNRWA’s 12,000 Gaza employees have terrorist ties.
The six-page dossier, seen by Reuters, alleges that some 190 UNRWA employees, including teachers, have doubled as Hamas or Islamic Jihad militants. It has names and pictures for 11 them.
The dossier was shown to Reuters by a source who could not be identified by name or nationality. The source said that it had been compiled by Israeli intelligence and shared with the United States, which on Friday suspended funding for UNRWA.

An Israeli official told Reuters the 190 mentioned in the dossier were "hardened fighters, killers" whereas overall some 10% of UNRWA staff were believed to have more general affiliation with Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

The agency employs 13,000 people in Gaza.

Asked about the dossier, a spokesperson for UNRWA said she could not comment due to an ongoing probe by the United Nations.
While many observers praised Canada for following suit with the United States in cutting funding for a contentious UN agency allegedly involved in Hamas’s Oct. 7 terror attacks in Israel, many are wondering why it took so long.
 

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I thought it was one of those British drunken Subway dishes? Isn’t Butter Chicken British just like Chicken Malai Tiki or greasy Donar Kabobs?
That's a line from my best friend as a kid and adult. I perverted it slightly. He said: I want to apologize for Butter Chicken. It's really a Pakistani dish. He was a Pakistani immigrant when we met in 1973. Still close friends.
 
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