Trudeau’s Newest New Carbon Tax

Ron in Regina

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The federal Liberals have undermined their highest environmental priority, the carbon tax, because they simply cannot afford to lose their Atlantic base.
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For three decades, voters in the Maritimes and in Newfoundland and Labrador have mostly stood by the Liberal Party. One important exception came in 1996, when prime minister Jean Chrétien’s government tightened eligibility requirements for unemployment insurance – a vital social program for the region’s seasonal economy. Atlantic voters hammered the Liberals in the following election, costing them 20 seats.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau appears determined to prevent something similar from happening to him. There are only 32 seats in Atlantic Canada. Even so, the region is disproportionately represented in the House of Commons, since it accounts for less than 7 per cent of Canada’s population, but has just under 10 per cent of the seats in the legislature.

In the three elections won by prime minister Stephen Harper’s Conservatives, the Liberals fared relatively well in Atlantic Canada. In every election on Mr. Trudeau’s watch, they have won a large majority of the seats in the region. (In 2015, they won them all.)
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But after the Liberals brought Atlantic Canada fully into the carbon pricing system in July, because provincial plans no longer met federal standards, polls showed support for the party in the region cratering. The 338Canada.com compendium of polls projects that the Conservatives would likely win more seats than the Liberals in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick if an election were held today.
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The Liberal Atlantic caucus pushed Mr. Trudeau hard for relief from carbon pricing. They succeeded. On Thursday, the government announced measures that included exempting home heating oil, which is pretty much used only in Atlantic Canada, from the carbon tax.
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No doubt you’ve heard the rejoinder from federal Rural Economic Development Minister Gudie Hutchings to Western complaints about the cave-in for Atlantic Canada: “Perhaps they need to elect more Liberals in the Prairies.”
 

Tecumsehsbones

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OK, it's a dumb tax. Fiercely unpopular and should be repealed and replaced.

However, I'll give Canada some credit for at least paying lip service to the idea of holding down its deficit, and dreaming of paying off its debt.

We aren't even talking about that anymore.
 

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OK, it's a dumb tax. Fiercely unpopular and should be repealed and replaced.

However, I'll give Canada some credit for at least paying lip service to the idea of holding down its deficit, and dreaming of paying off its debt.

We aren't even talking about that anymore.
Why pay when you plan on defaulting anyway?
 
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Ron in Regina

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Conservatives will force a vote on a motion that calls on the government to freeze the federal carbon tax on all forms of home heating until the next election, and then ask Canadians at the polls to decide if they want the price reapplied.

Green MPs Elizabeth May and Mike Morrice stated they will be voting against the Conservatives’ motion.

BQ Leader Yves-François Blanchet has not yet signalled his party’s voting intentions, but when asked on Oct. 30 what he thinks about the Liberals’ temporary exemption of home heating oil from the carbon price said: “I’m so glad this tax, whatever the Conservatives say, does not apply in Quebec.”
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With the above in mind, it will potential allow the Federal NDP to play lip service to actually being in opposition to the Liberals in their non-coalition coalition that’s definitely not a coalition supply and confidence agreement to keep the Liberal government in power until Oct 2025 no mater what for occasional handouts of magic beans, etc…so on that note, NDP House leader Peter Julian said Thursday his party will support the Conservative motion because "the reality is we need to make sure that affordability is available to all Canadians.”
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has already said there will be no other carve-outs or exemptionson the carbon tax, but the pressure is increasing from provincial premiers and parties. Just the one, focused on Atlantic Canada, that is all.
Heating & Eating are not luxuries to be taxed…as these are not optional things Canadians can decide to do without when “modifying their behaviour” regarding a carbon tax.
 
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The federal Liberals have undermined their highest environmental priority, the carbon tax, because they simply cannot afford to lose their Atlantic base.
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For three decades, voters in the Maritimes and in Newfoundland and Labrador have mostly stood by the Liberal Party. One important exception came in 1996, when prime minister Jean Chrétien’s government tightened eligibility requirements for unemployment insurance – a vital social program for the region’s seasonal economy. Atlantic voters hammered the Liberals in the following election, costing them 20 seats.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau appears determined to prevent something similar from happening to him. There are only 32 seats in Atlantic Canada. Even so, the region is disproportionately represented in the House of Commons, since it accounts for less than 7 per cent of Canada’s population, but has just under 10 per cent of the seats in the legislature.

In the three elections won by prime minister Stephen Harper’s Conservatives, the Liberals fared relatively well in Atlantic Canada. In every election on Mr. Trudeau’s watch, they have won a large majority of the seats in the region. (In 2015, they won them all.)
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But after the Liberals brought Atlantic Canada fully into the carbon pricing system in July, because provincial plans no longer met federal standards, polls showed support for the party in the region cratering. The 338Canada.com compendium of polls projects that the Conservatives would likely win more seats than the Liberals in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick if an election were held today.
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The Liberal Atlantic caucus pushed Mr. Trudeau hard for relief from carbon pricing. They succeeded. On Thursday, the government announced measures that included exempting home heating oil, which is pretty much used only in Atlantic Canada, from the carbon tax.
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No doubt you’ve heard the rejoinder from federal Rural Economic Development Minister Gudie Hutchings to Western complaints about the cave-in for Atlantic Canada: “Perhaps they need to elect more Liberals in the Prairies.”
As usual, the liberals steal money from the west to buy votes in the east, and attempt to crater the economy in the west.
The latest is a move by the minister of economic terrorism and job elimination to turn 20% of BC into parks. Conveniently, much of these areas are prime logging country.
 
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Taxslave2

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Libtards don't have a fukkin clue.
It would be interesting if someone could go around and inspect the heating source of every ndpliberalnoncolition member in Canada.
 
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Ron in Regina

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Some mention of the “free” heat pumps…
How will the Bloc Québécois vote today?
On Monday, Bloc Québécois MPs will decide the fate of Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre’s motion to exempt all fuel for home heating from the carbon price. The motion is non-binding but is significant because it serves to keep the hot-button carbon tax debate alive and in the public eye.

But no matter what the Bloc does Monday, the Liberals are in a tough situation.

While the Bloc holds all the power over the outcome of this symbolic vote, the Liberals are under tremendous pressure to present a united front, said Marland.
 

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OK, it's a dumb tax. Fiercely unpopular and should be repealed and replaced.

However, I'll give Canada some credit for at least paying lip service to the idea of holding down its deficit, and dreaming of paying off its debt.

We aren't even talking about that anymore.
Is lip service saying that the budget will balance itself?

Yeah....he cares......lol
 

55Mercury

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It will! Picture the smashed wreckage at the bottom of a cliff.

That's balanced.
so...
the budget will balance itself right out of existence then, is what your saying?
lol
at which point it will be every man for himself, I suppose.
no-lol
 

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so...
the budget will balance itself right out of existence then, is what your saying?
lol
at which point it will be every man for himself, I suppose.
no-lol
I honestly don't know. The U.S. debt is somewhere north of 30 trillion, and we're not even pretending we're trying to quit adding to it, much less pay it off, anymore.

Money is, and has always been, a symbol. It may be that the willingness of various entities to continue lending money to the U.S. is a symbol of their confidence that the U.S. will pay the interest payments, if not the principal (with more borrowed money). A symbol means whatever everybody agrees it means, or fails to object to other people agreeing it means.

I think your biggest worry is that no sane person wants to bankrupt the U.S. They're all too deeply in it.

Canada, not so much.
 
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55Mercury

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Not the first time a con man has hoodwinked lots of people by playing to their desires.
yeah, and pretty much why Churchill said democracy is the worst form of government (except for all the others).

elections get bought with the largesse of future generations.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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yeah, and pretty much why Churchill said democracy is the worst form of government (except for all the others).

elections get bought with the largesse of future generations.
Actually, that can apply to any form of government.

There's one way in which democracy is the worst form of government. . . ultimately, you have no one to blame but yourselves.
 

55Mercury

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. . ultimately, you have no one to blame but yourselves.
so
for not rising up and overthrowing the bastards? oh shoot, wouldn't th..th..that m..m..mean an in..in..insurrection?

Like I said, to make the world a better place a helluvalotta people gotta die.

^humanity's sad paradox^