I think the question is how big a poison pill are we willing to take to fight climate change if the results of our action have little effect? If China was truly on board and was going to be taking the same pill together, then yes we should all just gulp and swallow. But if it is being sold as we need to take this pill to prevent the devastating fires, droughts, etc. (which is how its being sold) and us actually taking the pill has negligible results, then why should we take the pill?
That’s apparent, but used as a measuring stick, but I will gladly use a different measuring stick. Which one is acceptable?The fucking question is "What can the human species do to reduce harmful effects of its activities, while enjoying the fruits of our progress in technology, and at what cost?"
I absolutely guaran-fucking-tee you that pissing and moaning about China does nothing to resolve that question.
Canada’s geographical location and size and climate have a huge relevance to its ability to functionally thrive vs it’s pollution and emissions portion of the global whole when it comes to cutting off our noses to spite our faces.Canada's geographical size has very little relevance to the pollution/emissions problem.
Canada’s population, then using that as a comparison on a Per Capita basis measurement against India (bet you thought I was gonna say China) has very little relevance to its pollution emissions total.
I’m interested in continuing to afford to get to & from work, so I can continue to afford to pay my ever increasing taxes, so I can continue to afford to take the balance to pay my ever increasing utility bills that are carbon taxed, so I can then take the balance off that to purchase luxuries like ever increasingly costly groceries, so I can repeat that month after month, so I can eventually afford to retire from this one day.Are you interested in pissing and moaning about who got the bigger piece of cake, or do you think reducing pollution and CO2 emissions is a desirable goal?
After that comes my concern about CO2 levels from the various nations and climate changiness and it’s both positive and negative effects depending on where you reside, etc…in that order.
Leonardo DiCaprio has addressed the UN about climate change more than all the unelected bums on all the corners regardless of the medical advice they offer.Leonardo DiCaprio has no relevance to anything. Might as well get your medical advice from the bum on the corner.
I completely agree with you here!China will do what China wants to do. There is little or nothing Canada, or anybody else, can do about that.
Canada’s total annual emissions are less than China’s difference in increased annual emissions year to year, so does it? Really?But if Canada cuts its emissions and China doesn't, that's still a net of less emissions globally.
I’m not saying we ALL can’t do better, but we can do it in a way that isn’t creating hardship and poverty, using technology that actually exists or new technologies once they exist instead of unrealistic timelines based upon technologies that might or might not exist before the arbitrary deadline’s currently imposed.
We currently can replace coal fired electrically generated power with Natural Gas and Nuclear for baseload generation using Wind & Hydro (where applicable) to supplement it, and when Nuclear Fusion or Dilithium Crystals or whatever comes down the pipe actually exists we can plug them into the equation at that point.
I agree, but if Natural Gas is supplied in plenty (like the US HAS stepped up to do in the last less than a decade, while Canada just hasn’t due to political posturing) it would have a much larger immediate impact to the “China’s” globally than finger shaking and the other techniques currently being employed.Then the question becomes "What tools to we have to encourage/influence/force China to cut its emissions?" Damn few and of limited effectiveness.
You & I can each cast one vote in our respective federal elections per election. Then we watch and see what influences that made while we wait for the next one.But the fact remains that if the industrialized West cuts its emissions, that's less emissions regardless of what China does. Whether and what level is worth doing at the cost is the topic for endless pissing and moaning.
While we wait, we ‘piss and moan’ as we watch the outcome deciding on the next potential influence (our next ballot cast when the opportunity arises next) we can make from our level to influence the direction of our respective nations.