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Serryah

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Six days later, Gross-Taylor responded, confirming that 'schools should use the student's affirming name and pronouns and use their legal name and corresponding pronouns when talking with the family until they are supportive of the student's new name and pronouns.'

Gross-Taylor would then refer Pawelski to the district's ten new LGBTQIA+ Coordinator, Shayna Seitchik, who reiterated that she and Darcie Votipka, the Director of Student Services for the district, agreed with using the student's chosen pronouns and names against parents' will.

Despite the consensus, Pawelski, at the time, appeared worried that the parent's definite disapproval of using the chosen names and pronouns with the elementary student might prove to be an issue due to age….being a 5 year old…??????

The issue? No age was given for this student, thus we don't know if they were five, six, seven, eight OR nine.


Again, gonna look into it but it's DailyMail so suspect AF.
 

Serryah

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Interesting different take on this.


So it was more a fishing expedition, not just wanting information for her five year old.

And when your demand for things cost up to 10k? That's not "just information", that's overkill.

And everything else to do with this comes from right wing "OMGTHEY'REBEINGSOMEAN" articles.

Yeah, wanting info is one thing, and she had every right to know.

But not like this.

Buying into her clout fest helps no one and harms many.
 

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So. . . the union sued to block the release of records.

The rest of it's pseudo-clever manipulation of the legal formalities to whip up the rubes.

"They were the stupidest ten percent. They weren't hard to outwit."
--Robert J. Sawyer, Hominids
 

Serryah

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So. . . the union sued to block the release of records.

The rest of it's pseudo-clever manipulation of the legal formalities to whip up the rubes.

"They were the stupidest ten percent. They weren't hard to outwit."
--Robert J. Sawyer, Hominids

From how it reads, yeah, but... no. They're suing because she filed over 200 requests to see records and did not take the "we'll do so but we'll need time" well. So because they didn't bow down to her insta-demands, they sued. Her and some other person I guess kept filing but she's the only one that was sued.
 

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From how it reads, yeah, but... no. They're suing because she filed over 200 requests to see records and did not take the "we'll do so but we'll need time" well. So because they didn't bow down to her insta-demands, they sued. Her and some other person I guess kept filing but she's the only one that was sued.
It's a straightforward public-records request. The government agency has the responsibility to scrub personally identifying information from any such records before release, and is required to charge the requestor for the costs of assembling and redacting the records.

Perfectly normal. Been done a million times since the passage of the Freedom of Information Act in 1967, and parallel state statutes.

The very fact that all sides get equally pissed off says it's fair. What Eisenhower called "the equality of dissatisfaction."
 

Ron in Regina

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It is a crazy story, & there’s much that must be missing, and it escalates quickly from bureaucracy over a mother asking what her child will be learning (curriculum) in Kindergarten….to Gender whatever & CRT.

My initial take is, Mothers Child enters School going into Kindergarten & the news story repeatedly mentions 5-year-old with respect to her child. Mother asks what the curriculum will be, and it’s told she has to file some kind a request to get that answer. She still doesn’t get the answer. She was told to do it again so she does it again. She gets frustrated and does it repeatedly.

Unless this Child is Sheldon Cooper, if this is starting when the child is entering kindergarten…& the story repeatedly mentions five-year-old…& this drags out for two years….The child is not going to be in Grades beyond Grade 2 or 3…. so from what I recall, they should be learning about spelling and dinosaurs and basic math skills about that time, right?

(Probably would’ve been so much easier to say, first, in kindergarten, we’re gonna do some colouring, and then, after recess, we’re going to do some work with macaroni and glue, etc…& hopefully by the end of the school year your child will understand shapes and colours and rudimentary alphabet concepts, numbers, etc…)

Between the video, and the written story it escalates so damn quickly….. from the above to 200 written requests?? We’re missing a big chunk of the story….the mother goes from 0 to 100 & the School goes to Emails & Slideshows with the mothers picture on zoom calls with 250 other teachers, to multiple lawsuits that are erroneous enough that other teachers leak this to the mother….so there’s some weirdness happening on both sides of this equation/situation

Anyway, sounds like this drags out for two years…. So the child would be 5 + 2 = 7 or 8 eventually… depending on when the birthday is in relation to the date on the lawsuit… so eventually, that would make this child into a Grade 2 or 3 situation (?) but was starting Kindergarten when it begins??? Most kids start Kindergarten at 5 or maybe 6 years old right?

Here’s the Short Video that goes with the story:
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Tecumsehsbones

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So. . . missed the "conservative activist" part?

It ain't hard. You wanna pull a few government documents? They'll handle it routinely for a nominal fee. You want a 20,000-page data dump? That's gonna take time and money.

Would you prefer it if any chip-on-his-shoulder "activist" could get the names, phone numbers, and home addresses of every teacher in the school system?
 
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Ron in Regina

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I said it’s a weird story from the very first sentence on this….& much must be missing because it goes from 0 - 100 very quickly… which doesn’t make it any less weird.
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I’m assuming from the below, that this was a 5-yr-old girl being discussed in this story:

“'I’m a parent who enrolled my daughter in public school for kindergarten,' she said, adding that she is 'relieved' that the bill is being pushed through the Senate.” & goes from kid entering kindergarten to the senate in 2-3 years time….so maybe this mother’s situation fit some senators already active agenda (???) on situational circumstances like this one?
 

Ron in Regina

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Stumbled across the story last night on YouTube….Thought it was pretty weird, & found the details where I found them. The mother is listed below, meaningful or not.
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Here’s a different picture from the same story about the curriculum for that five year old entering kindergarten.
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It’s weird all over…& I’m a grandfather, but my Spidey-Senses would have been tingling had I actually met this woman a couple of decades ago. Something about not sticking your dick into crazy, etc….

The whole situation is blown up on both sides of this beyond beyond.
 
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petros

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It's a Fox story. The mother was not sued in any meaningful sense of the term.
Fox? Why is Serryah posting shit from Fox?

Local teachers' unions have filed a lawsuit that they say is intended to protect educators from targeted harassment amid an ongoing controversy over access to public records and so-called "critical race theory" in South Kingstown.

The legal complaint, filed last week by the National Education Association's chapters for Rhode Island and South Kingstown, is the most recent development in a saga that began this spring when Nicole Solas, a parent and conservative activist, filed more than 200 records requests for curriculum material, internal emails, and other documents.

 

petros

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Stumbled across the story last night on YouTube….Thought it was pretty weird, & found the details where I found them. The mother is listed below, meaningful or not.
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Here’s a different picture from the same story about the curriculum for that five year old entering kindergarten.
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It’s weird all over…& I’m a grandfather, but my Spidey-Senses would have been tingling had I actually met this woman a couple of decades ago. Something about not sticking your dick into crazy, etc….

The whole situation is blown up on both sides of this beyond beyond.
Yes its real and not made up.
 

petros

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I posted it, last night, from the DailyMail out of the UK…not Serryah, & DailyMail might be Fox adjacent (?) for that side of the Atlantic Ocean?? I just thought it was weird.
She posted the Providence RI newspaper article.

 

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There's a LOT in this scribble that I seriously question.

It's a typical right wing hit peace/freak out.

"Laying the sordid saga bare to Fox News' Rachel Campos Duffy, Solas said the disagreement started after she made a records request regarding the district’s curriculum, after learning students at her daughter's school were were receiving lessons on gender reassignment and Critical Race Theory."

Was her daughter in the classes? Were they really teaching CRT or just what she probably thinks is CRT? As you said, it's about a "Five year old" so was "Gender reassignment" actually taught? Likely not.

Now, the district not addressing her concerns, that I don't blame her for being put off by. But inundating people with requests after requests is overkill and makes her look more like a wackadoo looking to cause shitstirring, rather than a concerned parent.

"'These people present themselves as if they are pillars of the community when, really, they look more like psychopaths zeroing in on a target,' said Solas, who is also part of the right-wing Independent Women's Network."

... yeah, the IWN, branch of the IWF who were supporters for Clarence Thomas. 'Nuff said, really.

But the group was formed to fight against "Feminist tenets". Considering they are, admittedly, Right Wing, again, taking all this was a less than grain of salt that it's true concern.

"Of the pushback she's faced since reaching out to the school, Solas said: 'I had no idea that I would be treated like an adversary."

Well she made herself into an adversary, so that's all on her.

"You have a right to be heard, you have a right to know if there’s violence at school, you have a right to protect your child’s privacy,' Solas added.

'These are all common sense principles that everybody can agree on across political spectrums,' she added."


Sure, parents have a right to be heard, and know if there's violence. That's NOT what she was looking into. Sure, she has a right to protect her child's privacy, but so does the school. As for her "common sense", that's funny. Common sense would say that a five year old ISN'T being taught CRT, they're not being taught about gender reassignment; likely they're being taught TOLERANCE at five years old, and that people come from all kinds of backgrounds. But fuck no, can't have kids learn about people being different...

"Both the district and the NEA have yet to respond to the statements made by Solas in the Sunday interview, which came days after the mom took to social media to share leaked emails from her daughter's school that confirmed administrators had been going behind a parent's back to secretly transition one of their students..."

First off, these emails have nothing to do with her kid, so she should shut the fuck up about it (what about the kid's privacy? Oh wait...)

Second, the school/teacher/principles AREN'T conspiring to "transition" a student. What they're doing is respecting the student. Now, it says elementary school - that's grade what, K-4? That means the kid could be between 5 and 9. Since there's no age mentioned, well, it doesn't matter. Trans kids could know as early AS five that they're the wrong gender. And at 9, most of them really start to think on it.

Likely as elsewhere, on official documents, the kid's current name is the one they have to use, but in social settings, the request for pronouns is likely respected. It's not a formal thing, it's something called respect.

Something this wackadoo doesn't have at all.

I don't trust this "reporting" what so ever so I'll look more into it, but from all of this thus far?

No sympathy, and that's keeping it polite.

From how it reads, yeah, but... no. They're suing because she filed over 200 requests to see records and did not take the "we'll do so but we'll need time" well. So because they didn't bow down to her insta-demands, they sued. Her and some other person I guess kept filing but she's the only one that was sued.
She likely did 200 because she wasn't receiving any responses so what else was she supposed to do? I'd keep asking as well until I got an answer! She was entitled to receive one.
 

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I posted it, last night, from the DailyMail out of the UK…not Serryah, & DailyMail might be Fox adjacent (?) for that side of the Atlantic Ocean?? I just thought it was weird.

It's weird sure. It's weird the mother thought CRT and issues about Gender Reassignment was taught to five year olds. It's weird she thought that only five year olds were educated in an elementary school. It's weird she made over 200 requests totalling near 10K to find out information that had no relation to her kid but demanded it anyway. It was weird that when she was told she could get the info, but it'd take time, she didn't like that so kept shoving requests to the school.

It's weird that she used right wing buzz words like CRT and "forced transition" to try and prove an invalid point. It's weird that as a member of a right wing wackadoo group, she did all this and is bitching like a "Karen" because everything she demanded wasn't done like, yesterday. It's weird that she has representation from another right wing wackadoo group for her suit and think it makes her position valid. It's weird she cries about the privacy of children in one minute, but the next is demanding the privacy of children be exposed to HER all because she demanded it.

It's weird the teacher's union is suing the moron.

And yes, there probably is a lot missing from this, but the truth ISN'T going to come from this agenda-driven wackadoo.

It's a straightforward public-records request. The government agency has the responsibility to scrub personally identifying information from any such records before release, and is required to charge the requestor for the costs of assembling and redacting the records.

Perfectly normal. Been done a million times since the passage of the Freedom of Information Act in 1967, and parallel state statutes.

The very fact that all sides get equally pissed off says it's fair. What Eisenhower called "the equality of dissatisfaction."

Not arguing over the request itself.

It's the harassment/over demand that's the issue. At what point is enough enough? At request 5? 50? 100?

Now, could the school have been stalling and hope she go away? Sure, totally plausible. After request 10? They're not stupid so at that much "Karening" they had to realize she wasn't going to go away.

What I haven't found is of the 200 requests, how long was it between them? Months? Not years certainly. Weekly? If it was 200 over the span of weeks, then yeah, that's harassment and suggests she's stirring shit up.

Then throw in it WASN'T just for curriculum, but internal emails and "other documents"; that's demanding BEYOND the right of a parent to know 'what they're teaching (or in this case not teaching) my kid'.

Interesting that the district later decided to not sue, but mediation was an answer.


"Schools Supt. Linda Savastano said the district was "overwhelmed" by the volume of information that Solas, who lives in Wakefield, was seeking.

"It was not the best beginning of a relationship," she said. "I own that. It overwhelmed us. That doesn't mean we can't do better in the future."

The committee then discussed whether engaging in mediation with Solas might be a preferable solution. In the end, the committee voted to try mediation first."

Okay, so she overwhelmed them with requests.

"Although the district complied with her requests, it wanted to charge her $9,570 for gathering the information. She said the department then dropped the fee to $79.50 after she narrowed her request. "

So, they COMPLIED with her requests - which runs counter to the stories Ron had linked to. And dropped the cost of fees when she narrowed her request.

So in the end, it's not a suit about information per say, rather the harassment of teachers that could come from her demands.

And I can see that.