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On the weekend, prominent activist, Chris Elston, popularly known as “Billboard Chris,” because he protests while wearing a sandwich board placard at events around the world making the case for a traditional binary understanding of gender identity, and Josh Alexander, an Ontario high school student who was suspended by his school for protesting the adoption of gender ideology in the Catholic school system organized a protest in Ottawa. To be absolutely clear, the Ottawa protest was not targeting gay rights but gender transition for kids. In fact, some prominent gay activists featured as part of the protest.

In response, a counter protest was organized by Horizon Ottawa, a far left NGO, active in promoting progressive social causes across the city. They partnered with labour unions, including the Public Service Alliance of Canada — now back at work after their prolonged strike — and community groups in the Ottawa neighbourhood of Westboro. While the protest and the counter-protest were largely peaceful, two apparent counter-protesters wearing balaclavas attempted to tackle Billboard Chris, but he kept his ground.

The demographic profile of the two groups couldn’t have been more starkly distinct. On the front lines of the anti gender ideology protests were people of colour and devout Muslims, as well as Christians, facing off against mostly masked old stock white Canadians leading the counter protesters. The progressive left which immediately judges any cause they disagree with as being “far right,” because it might constitute mainly white Canadians, were here mostly white, facing protesters against the trans agenda who were far more diverse than they were, almost representing a cross section of Canada. The cognitive dissonance was palpable.

The counter protesters appeared to be discomfited by the fact that the protesters weren’t their supposed bogeyman but included many people of colour, including socially conservative Muslims. This certainly doesn’t fit progressive ideology. After all, these were folk who stood up for minorities and called out what they perceived to be Islamophobia — yet there were Muslims lined up against them on the opposite side of the trans debate. It seemed to suggest that the price for supporting minority causes was that those they supported ought to support them on the social issues they cared about.

In fact, this sense of betrayal was made explicit in a widely shared rant by an Edmonton schoolteacher, who berated Muslim students in her class who stayed away from Pride events, telling them that, if they didn’t support Pride, they really didn’t belong in Canada. In other words, the progressive support of Muslim rights in Canada seemed to be contingent on their support of progressive social causes.

The hypocrisy runs the other way, too. Muslim Canadian advocates are certainly willing to accept progressive support in combatting what they perceive as Islamophobia yet, when push comes to shove, many conservative Muslims reveal their antipathy, not just toward gender ideology, but even of gay rights, which have not been a matter of contestation in Canada for decades.

Put differently, the aggressive gender ideology advocated by progressives in Canada has, willy nilly, brought religion into the equation. Muslim Canadians, even conservatives, have had to accept gay rights as a fait accompli — but now have joined the battle against gender ideology. An unforeseen consequence of the aggressive progressive push on gender ideology and Pride may be a highly regrettable backsliding on the consensus around gay rights, that simply hasn’t been up for discussion in Canada in recent memory.

Progressive advocates for gender ideology, such as the counter-protesters in Ottawa, do themselves no favours by staking out an extreme position in which even legitimate disagreement on gender ideology, especially as it relates to minors, is considered little short of reactionary and atavistic. This was fully on view. All of the counter-protesters I spoke to, refused to engage with me. One even told me that he would only speak to an “accredited” journalist from the CBC or CTV.

The so-called progressives reveal their own reactionary side when, in response to what they perceive as betrayal from immigrants and ethnic minorities who don’t buy into their social agenda, some go to the extent of saying that such illiberal people should return to where they came from if they don’t share what they blithely assert to be universally agreed on “Canadian values.”

As always, the rest at the above link…
 
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Teacher calls out student who challenged classmate ‘identifying as a cat’
The teacher immediately shut down the exchange, according to a recording

Author of the article:Denette Wilford
Published Jun 20, 2023 • Last updated 2 days ago • 2 minute read

A teacher in England accused two students of being “homophobic” after they questioned a classmate who identifies as a cat.


The teacher at the Church of England’s Rye College in East Sussex reportedly told one student she was “despicable” after she refused to accept a classmate who identifies as a cat.


The 13-year-old girl and her friend were reprimanded at the end of a Year 8 “life education” class, in which they were told they can “be who you want to be and how you identify is up to you,” the Telegraph reported.

During the lesson, the student asked one classmate, “How can you identify as a cat when you’re a girl?”

The teacher immediately shut down the exchange, according to a recording obtained by the news outlet.

In the clip recorded by a student, the teacher raged, “How dare you, you’ve just really upset someone” by “questioning their identity.”


The student replied: “If they want to identify as a cat or something then they are genuinely unwell — crazy.”

The girls also disagreed with the teacher’s claims that there are three biological sexes, insisting an individual “can’t have” an agender identity “if you have a vagina you’re a girl and if you have a penis you’re a boy – that’s it.”

The teacher was shocked by the statement.

“What do you mean you can’t have it? It’s not a law … Cisgender is not necessarily the way to be — you are talking about the fact that cisgender is the norm, that you identify with the sexual organ you were born with, that’s basically what you’re saying, which is really despicable.”

The teacher accused the girls of being homophobic and confused, which they denied, and said their mothers would agree with them.


“Well, that’s very sad as well then,” the teacher replied.

She suggested that the girls “need to go to a different school” since they disagreed with the lesson, would be reported to senior staff, and told them they “need to have a proper educational conversation about equality, diversity and inclusion because I’m not having that expressed in my lesson.”

A spokesman for Rye College said: “We are committed to offering our pupils an inclusive education. Teachers endeavour to ensure that pupils’ views are listened to, and encourage them to ask questions and engage in discussion. Teachers also aim to answer questions sensitively and honestly.”

A parent of another Year 8 student who received the same lesson told The Telegraph: “I understand the point the teacher was attempting to make, what bothers me is the shutting down of debate in such a threatening and aggressive manner,” adding, “it shouldn’t be a case of indoctrination.”
 

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On the weekend, prominent activist, Chris Elston, popularly known as “Billboard Chris,” because he protests while wearing a sandwich board placard at events around the world making the case for a traditional binary understanding of gender identity, and Josh Alexander, an Ontario high school student who was suspended by his school for protesting the adoption of gender ideology in the Catholic school system organized a protest in Ottawa. To be absolutely clear, the Ottawa protest was not targeting gay rights but gender transition for kids. In fact, some prominent gay activists featured as part of the protest.

In response, a counter protest was organized by Horizon Ottawa, a far left NGO, active in promoting progressive social causes across the city. They partnered with labour unions, including the Public Service Alliance of Canada — now back at work after their prolonged strike — and community groups in the Ottawa neighbourhood of Westboro. While the protest and the counter-protest were largely peaceful, two apparent counter-protesters wearing balaclavas attempted to tackle Billboard Chris, but he kept his ground.

The demographic profile of the two groups couldn’t have been more starkly distinct. On the front lines of the anti gender ideology protests were people of colour and devout Muslims, as well as Christians, facing off against mostly masked old stock white Canadians leading the counter protesters. The progressive left which immediately judges any cause they disagree with as being “far right,” because it might constitute mainly white Canadians, were here mostly white, facing protesters against the trans agenda who were far more diverse than they were, almost representing a cross section of Canada. The cognitive dissonance was palpable.

The counter protesters appeared to be discomfited by the fact that the protesters weren’t their supposed bogeyman but included many people of colour, including socially conservative Muslims. This certainly doesn’t fit progressive ideology. After all, these were folk who stood up for minorities and called out what they perceived to be Islamophobia — yet there were Muslims lined up against them on the opposite side of the trans debate. It seemed to suggest that the price for supporting minority causes was that those they supported ought to support them on the social issues they cared about.

In fact, this sense of betrayal was made explicit in a widely shared rant by an Edmonton schoolteacher, who berated Muslim students in her class who stayed away from Pride events, telling them that, if they didn’t support Pride, they really didn’t belong in Canada. In other words, the progressive support of Muslim rights in Canada seemed to be contingent on their support of progressive social causes.

The hypocrisy runs the other way, too. Muslim Canadian advocates are certainly willing to accept progressive support in combatting what they perceive as Islamophobia yet, when push comes to shove, many conservative Muslims reveal their antipathy, not just toward gender ideology, but even of gay rights, which have not been a matter of contestation in Canada for decades.

Put differently, the aggressive gender ideology advocated by progressives in Canada has, willy nilly, brought religion into the equation. Muslim Canadians, even conservatives, have had to accept gay rights as a fait accompli — but now have joined the battle against gender ideology. An unforeseen consequence of the aggressive progressive push on gender ideology and Pride may be a highly regrettable backsliding on the consensus around gay rights, that simply hasn’t been up for discussion in Canada in recent memory.

Progressive advocates for gender ideology, such as the counter-protesters in Ottawa, do themselves no favours by staking out an extreme position in which even legitimate disagreement on gender ideology, especially as it relates to minors, is considered little short of reactionary and atavistic. This was fully on view. All of the counter-protesters I spoke to, refused to engage with me. One even told me that he would only speak to an “accredited” journalist from the CBC or CTV.

The so-called progressives reveal their own reactionary side when, in response to what they perceive as betrayal from immigrants and ethnic minorities who don’t buy into their social agenda, some go to the extent of saying that such illiberal people should return to where they came from if they don’t share what they blithely assert to be universally agreed on “Canadian values.”

As always, the rest at the above link…
This isn't a Canadian value at all. It's some Canadians with weird "afflictions" & MH issues who want everyone to comply with their thinking & call names of those of us who disagree.
 

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On the weekend, prominent activist, Chris Elston, popularly known as “Billboard Chris,” because he protests while wearing a sandwich board placard at events around the world making the case for a traditional binary understanding of gender identity, and Josh Alexander, an Ontario high school student who was suspended by his school for protesting the adoption of gender ideology in the Catholic school system organized a protest in Ottawa. To be absolutely clear, the Ottawa protest was not targeting gay rights but gender transition for kids. In fact, some prominent gay activists featured as part of the protest.

In response, a counter protest was organized by Horizon Ottawa, a far left NGO, active in promoting progressive social causes across the city. They partnered with labour unions, including the Public Service Alliance of Canada — now back at work after their prolonged strike — and community groups in the Ottawa neighbourhood of Westboro. While the protest and the counter-protest were largely peaceful, two apparent counter-protesters wearing balaclavas attempted to tackle Billboard Chris, but he kept his ground.

The demographic profile of the two groups couldn’t have been more starkly distinct. On the front lines of the anti gender ideology protests were people of colour and devout Muslims, as well as Christians, facing off against mostly masked old stock white Canadians leading the counter protesters. The progressive left which immediately judges any cause they disagree with as being “far right,” because it might constitute mainly white Canadians, were here mostly white, facing protesters against the trans agenda who were far more diverse than they were, almost representing a cross section of Canada. The cognitive dissonance was palpable.

The counter protesters appeared to be discomfited by the fact that the protesters weren’t their supposed bogeyman but included many people of colour, including socially conservative Muslims. This certainly doesn’t fit progressive ideology. After all, these were folk who stood up for minorities and called out what they perceived to be Islamophobia — yet there were Muslims lined up against them on the opposite side of the trans debate. It seemed to suggest that the price for supporting minority causes was that those they supported ought to support them on the social issues they cared about.

In fact, this sense of betrayal was made explicit in a widely shared rant by an Edmonton schoolteacher, who berated Muslim students in her class who stayed away from Pride events, telling them that, if they didn’t support Pride, they really didn’t belong in Canada. In other words, the progressive support of Muslim rights in Canada seemed to be contingent on their support of progressive social causes.

The hypocrisy runs the other way, too. Muslim Canadian advocates are certainly willing to accept progressive support in combatting what they perceive as Islamophobia yet, when push comes to shove, many conservative Muslims reveal their antipathy, not just toward gender ideology, but even of gay rights, which have not been a matter of contestation in Canada for decades.

Put differently, the aggressive gender ideology advocated by progressives in Canada has, willy nilly, brought religion into the equation. Muslim Canadians, even conservatives, have had to accept gay rights as a fait accompli — but now have joined the battle against gender ideology. An unforeseen consequence of the aggressive progressive push on gender ideology and Pride may be a highly regrettable backsliding on the consensus around gay rights, that simply hasn’t been up for discussion in Canada in recent memory.

Progressive advocates for gender ideology, such as the counter-protesters in Ottawa, do themselves no favours by staking out an extreme position in which even legitimate disagreement on gender ideology, especially as it relates to minors, is considered little short of reactionary and atavistic. This was fully on view. All of the counter-protesters I spoke to, refused to engage with me. One even told me that he would only speak to an “accredited” journalist from the CBC or CTV.

The so-called progressives reveal their own reactionary side when, in response to what they perceive as betrayal from immigrants and ethnic minorities who don’t buy into their social agenda, some go to the extent of saying that such illiberal people should return to where they came from if they don’t share what they blithely assert to be universally agreed on “Canadian values.”

As always, the rest at the above link…

Smart of the protesters to not speak to this person.

"So called" doesn't help the cause for being 'unbiased'.

The idea that trying to help kids stay alive is looked at as somehow "ideology" is just... insane.

Muslims against trans kids being themselves? Duh.

Gays being against trans kids? Again, duh.

The author was right in one respect - forcing Muslims to accept gay people ("forcing"... more like by law you can't do shit they might want to) has only driven them into the 'anti' sphere of things more publicly.

But gays being anti-trans? Psh, there are gays who have been anti-trans for years and years. But you'd think they'd remember what it was like when THEY were called the "Groomers" and "pedophiles" by people, and what it was like when people believed the lies about them.

Meh.

Canadian values... sure; depending on what kind of Canadian you are, those "Values" change a lot.

This article isn't really saying much other than the counter protesters were "bad" and what they support is "Bad"....

So, it was a slow news day and otherwise normal.
 

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Thought it was a weird story, kinda like Elon Musk and that other Brazilianaire shit talking to each other into a cage fight MMA type thing.
Smart of the protesters to not speak to this person.

"So called" doesn't help the cause for being 'unbiased'.

The idea that trying to help kids stay alive is looked at as somehow "ideology" is just... insane.

Muslims against trans kids being themselves? Duh.

Gays being against trans kids? Again, duh.
Here’s where it can get interesting…
The author was right in one respect - forcing Muslims to accept gay people ("forcing"... more like by law you can't do shit they might want to) has only driven them into the 'anti' sphere of things more publicly.
Sharia Law? Coming to a theatre near you?
M-103 was almost a precursor to C-11 like a test run…& Canada doesn’t have Sharia Law (or didn’t, anyway) but do these protestors or counter-protesters realize this…or do they think that they are practising their religious expression?
But gays being anti-trans? Psh, there are gays who have been anti-trans for years and years. But you'd think they'd remember what it was like when THEY were called the "Groomers" and "pedophiles" by people, and what it was like when people believed the lies about them.
Depending on their age, they might never have known that.
Meh.

Canadian values... sure; depending on what kind of Canadian you are, those "Values" change a lot.

This article isn't really saying much other than the counter protesters were "bad" and what they support is "Bad"....

So, it was a slow news day and otherwise normal.
Thought it was interesting with the opposing potential justifications, where they can potentially take each other to human rights tribunals over the same issue.
 

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I’m just talking to potential for competing human rights tribunals over the same issue from opposing camps in the protest & counter protest, Kevlar sandwich boards aside.
Canada operates under a minor variation of the English common law. The notion that Shari'a could somehow replace that is a paranoid fantasy suitable only for whipping up terrified morons.

If that's what you want to do, the next step is to start screaming that True Dope is trying to replace Canadian law with Shari'a. If this board is anything to go by, you'll have no trouble persuading the already convinced.
 
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Canada operates under a minor variation of the English common law. The notion that Shari'a could somehow replace that is a paranoid fantasy suitable only for whipping up terrified morons.

If that's what you want to do, the next step is to start screaming that True Dope is trying to replace Canadian law with Shari'a. If this board is anything to go by, you'll have no trouble persuading the already convinced.
One more time. Picture Canada. Picture our Human Rights Tribunals where the accused is guilty until proven innocent, opposite from a court of law. Seriously, & almost nobody ever wins in a human rights tribunal if they’re put in front of one.

Picture Gay/Trans/Whatever Protestors hauling the Muslim Protesters in front of a Tribunal for infringing on their right to protest for being gay or whatever…freedom of expression; while simultaneously picture Muslim Protesters hauling the Gay/Trans/Whatever Protesters in front of a Tribunal for infringing on their right to protest for being Muslim or Islamophobia… their freedom of expression, etc…

The irony would be kind’a funny, as they can do the trumped up trial of the Muslims in the mornings, and the trumped up trial of the Gay/Trans/etc…in the afternoons, and repeat daily until they’re done.

Both sides of the protest could eventually end up defending each other, and find common ground with a common enemy being a human rights tribunal….& probably both sides would lose, because the odds of winning in one of those situations are slim at best.

Thus my mental picture comparing them to Elon Musk & Mark Zuckerberg with their coming slap-fest in an Octagon probably in Las Vegas.
 

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Picture Sergeant Preston, Constable Fraser, and Paul Bunyan bursting in to put things right with a few well-thrown Canadian uppercuts. . .
I’m picturing something more like a Bonspiel of unlikely match-ups in the Octagon in Vegas. 😁

Musk vs Zuckerberg, a Muslim Protester Champion vs a Trans Champion, Justin Trudeau vs Lia Thomas, Dudley Doright vs Snidely Whiplash, Bond vs Archer, etc… & the winner in the end becomes the Canadian Minister of Heritage in charge of the CRTC…to protect Canadian values, etc…and…and they get their own Kevlar Sandwich board!!!
 
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Here’s where it can get interesting…

Sharia Law? Coming to a theatre near you?
M-103 was almost a precursor to C-11 like a test run…& Canada doesn’t have Sharia Law (or didn’t, anyway) but do these protestors or counter-protesters realize this…or do they think that they are practising their religious expression?

Yeah, don't think - as TB pointed out - Sharia Law is is gonna take hold in Canada. But you do make a valid point nonetheless about it.

Depending on their age, they might never have known that.

If it was a thing of the past you'd have a point, but gays today are still called groomers and so on. Not as much or openly, but it does still happen. And I get that gays want to be 'accepted' so some of them will cling to the big issues like this just to say "Hey, we're not as bad as THEM", and some are just as anti-trans as any other straight, but sometimes this issue between gays and trans makes me want to bite people, or smack them with a foam bat.

Thought it was interesting with the opposing potential justifications, where they can potentially take each other to human rights tribunals over the same issue.

Oh on that I agree; the entire issue is complicated and layered.

But let's be real; the issue is this idea that kids are being somehow "Forced" to be trans. They're not. IF at any point they are though, trans people would rise up against those who did this, along with everyone else. Even inside the community there's a divide about how to handle trans kids. In the end though, I'd rather go with what DOESN'T lead to a dead kid.
 

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Canada operates under a minor variation of the English common law. The notion that Shari'a could somehow replace that is a paranoid fantasy suitable only for whipping up terrified morons.

If that's what you want to do, the next step is to start screaming that True Dope is trying to replace Canadian law with Shari'a. If this board is anything to go by, you'll have no trouble persuading the already convinced.
You obviously have little understanding of Canadian Kangaroo courts , called human rights tribunals .
 

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One more time. Picture Canada. Picture our Human Rights Tribunals where the accused is guilty until proven innocent, opposite from a court of law. Seriously, & almost nobody ever wins in a human rights tribunal if they’re put in front of one.

Picture Gay/Trans/Whatever Protestors hauling the Muslim Protesters in front of a Tribunal for infringing on their right to protest for being gay or whatever…freedom of expression; while simultaneously picture Muslim Protesters hauling the Gay/Trans/Whatever Protesters in front of a Tribunal for infringing on their right to protest for being Muslim or Islamophobia… their freedom of expression, etc…

The irony would be kind’a funny, as they can do the trumped up trial of the Muslims in the mornings, and the trumped up trial of the Gay/Trans/etc…in the afternoons, and repeat daily until they’re done.

Both sides of the protest could eventually end up defending each other, and find common ground with a common enemy being a human rights tribunal….& probably both sides would lose, because the odds of winning in one of those situations are slim at best.

Thus my mental picture comparing them to Elon Musk & Mark Zuckerberg with their coming slap-fest in an Octagon probably in Las Vegas.
Over his head , I got you in the first instance . You are a very patient man .
 
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Yeah, don't think - as TB pointed out - Sharia Law is is gonna take hold in Canada. But you do make a valid point nonetheless about it.



If it was a thing of the past you'd have a point, but gays today are still called groomers and so on. Not as much or openly, but it does still happen. And I get that gays want to be 'accepted' so some of them will cling to the big issues like this just to say "Hey, we're not as bad as THEM", and some are just as anti-trans as any other straight, but sometimes this issue between gays and trans makes me want to bite people, or smack them with a foam bat.



Oh on that I agree; the entire issue is complicated and layered.

But let's be real; the issue is this idea that kids are being somehow "Forced" to be trans. They're not. IF at any point they are though, trans people would rise up against those who did this, along with everyone else. Even inside the community there's a divide about how to handle trans kids. In the end though, I'd rather go with what DOESN'T lead to a dead kid.
Never heard of gays being called groomers until recently .