2SLGBTQQIA+

[Serryah]

So, if divisions of Lesbians & Gays (Gay Men I’m assuming) are divided in political opinion from other Lesbians & Gays (again, Gay Men I’m assuming)….should they drop off the front of the LGBTQ+Whatever (minus the vowels I’d assume) thing…& become separate consonants and symbols further back in the2SBTTQQIAAP+++ etc… movement/club thing to the back of the bus until other sub-sects and self-identifying subgroups tacked on at the end push their new letters and symbols back more towards the middle?

Wouldn’t that add clarity? The T-Shirts could have the new anacronym start on the right shoulder and spiral clockwise (unless that’s offensive?) to the left around the torso as many times as needed (?) but saving room to add new letters and symbols when needed?

To be honest, frak if I know

In the end, I hate all the need for labeling anyway. I dislike feeling like I have to identify people as "gay" or "lesbian" or "Trans". Unless someone is non-binary on the gender spectrum or asexual on the sexuality spectrum, or pan for that matter, to me you're just a man or woman or whatever.

That friend I have in Calgary, they're two spirit, but okay with a lot of the girlie things despite a masculine nature sometimes. But they ditched anything to do with the local GLBTQIA groups because of their focus on labels. As they put it "I'm me and I don't need labels".

 

[Taxslave2]

So the provinces pay for it. Thanks for clarifying. Appreciate the support.

Which means that we the taxpayer are paying for it. We also are forced to pay for free needles and drugs for junkies, but hard working, taxpaying diabetics are forced to pay for their own needles and insulin unless they have a private plan that helps pay.

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Which means that we the taxpayer are paying for it. We also are forced to pay for free needles and drugs for junkies, but hard working, taxpaying diabetics are forced to pay for their own needles and insulin unless they have a private plan that helps pay.

I'm sure there are just as many people pissing and moaning about "having to pay" cops' salaries.

 

[Taxslave2]

In theor

Well, not mine, but. . .

It perplexes me that people who think their paycheques, which they must be given under law, are THEIR money, and would react violently if one suggested it was still the boss's money, and the boss could tell you how to spend it, cannot get their heads around the fact that when you pay your taxes, as you must under law, the money ceases to be yours and becomes the government's.

In theory, we are the government. We elect supposedly responsible people to look after our money. When they refuse to act in a responsible manner, we naturally get upset and tend to replace the crooks with new crooks. When the crooks gain too much power, the citizens often remove them by force. Depending on which side of the equation you are on, this can be either taking out the trash, or an insurrection.

 

[Taxslave2]

To be honest, frak if I know

In the end, I hate all the need for labeling anyway. I dislike feeling like I have to identify people as "gay" or "lesbian" or "Trans". Unless someone is non-binary on the gender spectrum or asexual on the sexuality spectrum, or pan for that matter, to me you're just a man or woman or whatever.

That friend I have in Calgary, they're two spirit, but okay with a lot of the girlie things despite a masculine nature sometimes. But they ditched anything to do with the local GLBTQIA groups because of their focus on labels. As they put it "I'm me and I don't need labels".

The labels does seem to be a problem. One of our lesbian friends that I talked to about this said she and her wife just want to be left alone. By everyone.

 

[Taxslave2]

I'm sure there are just as many people pissing and moaning about "having to pay" cops' salaries.

They can go to jail. No longer have to pay anything. 3 hots and a cot. Free medical and dental.

 

[Serryah]

In theor

In theory, we are the government. We elect supposedly responsible people to look after our money. When they refuse to act in a responsible manner, we naturally get upset and tend to replace the crooks with new crooks. When the crooks gain too much power, the citizens often remove them by force. Depending on which side of the equation you are on, this can be either taking out the trash, or an insurrection.

And what do you do when part of the population has no issue paying their taxes for things you might find "unneeded"?

Crooks?

So if I don't want my taxes to pay for education for example (since I don't have a dog in that game, as it were) I should start calling Government crooks?

 

[pgs]

And what do you do when part of the population has no issue paying their taxes for things you might find "unneeded"?

Crooks?

So if I don't want my taxes to pay for education for example (since I don't have a dog in that game, as it were) I should start calling Government crooks?

Big difference between providing universal education and providing free drugs and needles .

 

[Jinentonix]

True.

My taxes pay for it. Yours. Everyone's.

And sometimes they're used for things we don't like or may not agree with.

Don't like it, vote people in to change how everything is done.

You can't cherry pick healthcare, Jin. You start to do that and we might as well switch to a system like the US has.

It's *health care*, and not every part of these is covered by medicare.

GrS Montreal | Frequently asked questions

For any question on the surgeries and services offered by GrS Montreal, you can consult our frequently asked questions.

www.grsmontreal.com

2. Will my surgery be reimbursed by my province’s health insurance?



Most Canadian provinces cover the cost of gender reassignment surgery. However, feminizing surgeries considered cosmetic, such as breast augmentation, voice surgery, Adam’s Apple reduction, and facial feminization, are not currently covered by all health insurance programs. Each Canadian province has its own reimbursement program. You can find information specific to your province in the Being Trans section of our website or of your provincial government.
If you are a U.S. citizen or from elsewhere in the world, check with the health department of your state or provincial government and/or your own insurance company.
*Some health insurance programs cover certain fees associated with your surgery while others do not.


So not everything is covered by medicare and most people don't get coverage by provinces, they pay out of pocket. And there are only 3 places that offer bottom surgery in Canada.

Canada transgender resources – Transgender Map

www.transgendermap.com

"Three ways to get coverage

Out-of-pocket

• Many Canadians choose to pay with their own money to avoid long wait times and gatekeeping for government-funded healthcare and to choose their own surgeon.

Employer coverage

• Other Canadians get healthcare covered via private employer insurance. Contact your employer’s benefits liaison or human resources department.

Government-funded coverage


Each province handles government-funded coverage differently, so check with your healthcare provider to learn the procedure in your province.


Those seeking subsidized surgeries will need to be approved by your provincial health service. As of 2022, three Canadian clinics offer bottom surgery via government healthcare:

• Centre Metropolitain de Chirurgie (Montréal, QC)
• Women’s College Hospital in Toronto (Toronto, ON)
• Gender Surgery Program B.C. (Vancouver, BC – only treats BC and Yukon residents)

Listings are presented alphabetically by province, with cities under each province also listed alphabetically.


GrS Montréal has been a top Canadian surgical destination for our community for decades. They have the most experience in Canada for most privately funded gender surgeries."


So, all the freaking out about "My taxes pay for it" is just an excuse to bitch and be against trans care.

Actually my comment also applies to abortion in Canada. Abortion for ANY other reason than genuine medical necessity is elective. Elective procedures are not covered by most, if any provincial health care plans. Except for elective abortions.

Also, back in the 90's when my friend's brother had the surgery the province paid for the WHOLE thing. And that was before all the woke bullshit and even before gay people could marry. I find it quite unlikely that sex changes have less govt coverage now than they did 30 years ago.

 

[Serryah]

Actually my comment also applies to abortion in Canada. Abortion for ANY other reason than genuine medical necessity is elective. Elective procedures are not covered by most, if any provincial health care plans. Except for elective abortions.

That's your opinion. I'd rather my taxes not go to unneeded abortions too but, again, you can't cherry pick what health care someone gets and what they don't with generalized health care. So...

Also, back in the 90's when my friend's brother had the surgery the province paid for the WHOLE thing.

What province? And what do you mean by whole thing? Top/Bottom surgery? Both? The cosmetic surgery? If they did, then that'd be damned rare, as it doesn't even happen now like that.

And that was before all the woke bullshit and even before gay people could marry. I find it quite unlikely that sex changes have less govt coverage now than they did 30 years ago.

Whatever you think, but that doesn't make it true. *shrug* I posted up a link regarding how trans surgery care is applied currently.

 

[Serryah]

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

In theor

In theory, we are the government.

You clearly don't understand even the fundamentals of the theory.

We elect supposedly responsible people to look after our money. When they refuse to act in a responsible manner, we naturally get upset and tend to replace the crooks with new crooks.

Yes, and they, not you, are the government.

When the crooks gain too much power, the citizens often remove them by force. Depending on which side of the equation you are on, this can be either taking out the trash, or an insurrection.

Often? How often? How many times in your life has a Canadian government, national, provincial, or local, been "removed by force?"

 

[55Mercury]

How often? How many times in your life has a Canadian government, national, provincial, or local, been "removed by force?"

not enough, and it's high time we get started!

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

not enough, and it's high time we get started!

Go for it. The prison will probably let you visit CanCon a couple hours a week.

 

[55Mercury]

let the record show that T-bones has dissuaded me from saving the nation!

:?P

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

let the record show that T-bones has dissuaded me from saving the nation!

:?P

I might win an Otto Bellgardt Award for that.

 

[55Mercury]

I might win an Otto Bellgardt Award for that.

all while shattering my dream of earning the Guy Fawkes Award.

*sigh*

you big meanie

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

all while shattering my dream of earning the Guy Fawkes Award.

*sigh*

you big meanie

You WANT to be tortured and executed?

Kinky!

 

[55Mercury]

You WANT to be tortured and executed?

Kinky!

Smile when you say that.

 

[55Mercury]

You WANT to be tortured and executed?

Kinky!

ok, it's my dream, right?

like... of course Guy Fawkes succeeds.