Good point . Right now we in B.C. have a typical November rain storm approaching from Hawaii generally described as a Pineapple Express. Suddenly this storm is an approaching atmospheric river , never heard of before last year now used to describe regular rainfall . They even already have degrees of these rivers strength even though this is only the second reported on , one it is now a first degree storm . Head for the hills , but beware of swollen creeks .…& that was the train of question, asked and answered. Nothing about 815 people in BC etc etc etc.
“Extreme” as a word has become so overused in the last decade or more that it’s the butt of a punchline at this point, from Extreme Sports, to Extreme views, to Extreme weather events, to Extreme Extremist Extremism. “Quench Your Extreme Thirst with Product-X!” type extreme use of the word Extreme. That’s where I was going. Just count the number of times you encounter the word “Extreme” tomorrow in media (both written & verbal), in Sales Marketing, and in peoples day to day speech. Hell, just cruise the news headlines without even reading the stories and count the “Extreme’s” you encounter. It’s pretty extreme.
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Those people died for several reasons. Mostly there were not enough ambulances to get around. A lot of people were found to be dehydrated, meaning they were not even remotely prepared for the heat. You really need to get out of the city. Fraser valley is still city. Tha farms that were flooded were all either in Sumas lake or low landwhere the pumps and dykesf@iled. That is a man made failure. Lack of both planning and maintenance. It was only the lower mainland that was cut off. Ferries still ran from the island to Powell River and Pr. Rupert, just like always.
That’s extremely extreme…to the Extreme!
Which place got 14’ of rain in seven consecutive days (extremists call that a “Week”)? I ask about the 14’ being the 24” per day & for seven days in a row referred to above…
I’m not claiming anything is or isn’t normal, & I’ve been through a prairie storm about 40 years ago (so ‘82 or ‘83 where we got 7” (of rain) in 6 hours and I’ve never seen anything like that (for that length of time anyway) personally before or since. That was pretty extreme. I can only imagine what that would have cost in todays dollars.
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Rarely a year goes by that’s ‘normal’ as they all stand out in one way or another, & some more than others.
Every couple of years we get told we got record snowfall but it’s nothing like the ‘70’s & ‘80’s out here…and those don’t look like they hold a candle to the 10 day blizzard on the prairie in winter of ‘46-‘47 (before my time), where storms began just after Christmas and continued on and off for weeks.
“On Jan. 30, 1947, a 10-day blizzard rolled through the south of the province, effectively shutting it down. The snow drifts blocked roads and rail lines from Calgary all the way to Winnipeg, some until spring. Only the tops of telephone poles were visible in some communities and transportation in the province ground to a halt.”
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Bullshit. That's just an excuse. Everyone understands what extreme means, and you're just trying to excuse bad behavior.
People died last year due to extreme weather. A couple of billion dollars in damages from extreme flooding. Thousands lost their livelyhoods, thousands of animals were drowned.
Not to mention lytton burning to the ground in minutes when they passed 50C.
In both cases the heat or water were grossly in excess of what we've experienced before.
And you're claiming that this is an inappropriate use of the word extreme? Or that using it is just a 'marketing' gimmick?
Shame on you Ron. I scincerely hope you don't have to suffer the death of loved ones from being baked to death or lose everything you have to a flood, i suspect if you do you'll find the humour level isn't actually as high as you seem to think it is, and that the suffering is very real, rather than just 'marketing'. And the word 'extreme' is correctly used.
None of that is true.
They've always been atmospheric rivers, and the STATES have a numbering system. WE do not nor are we close to having one. If all you watch is the weather man on tv they tend to refer to it as a pineapple express and in MOST cases historically they have been. All pineapple expresses are atmospheric rivers, not all atmospheric rivers are pineapple expresses. The one that clobbered us hardest last year was not. The term has been used in meterology for years.
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Last updated 2015.
Your lack of awareness is not the same as fact. The term is decades old. That's WHY the US has a numbering system for it.
you really were. If you're saying otherwise now then you're backpedaling
This isn't complex. There is a normal range of weather that represents the vast majority of the weather in any area. Then there are extreme events which exceed that and are unusual or rare. What has been happening is those extreme events are becoming far MORE extreme and outside the normal, and somewhat more frequent. This has been predicted as likely for a few years now and the evidence is strong it's an issue. We have had THREE very extreme events in a year, all of which vastly exceeded previous examples.
My statement was simple - given that we would be wise to take a few extra precautions. Doesn't have to be crazy - but maybe improving our water resivours or our drainage systems or making sure all new buildings are plumbed for AC (most are now anyway and it's easy to do) and educating people and the like. Taking steps to prepare for floods and wash outs of our major transport routes, etc.
If you think that's such a horrible idea then fine. Hell there's lots of people without house insurance because they feel they don't need it. I think it's a good idea. but you may not. But lets not pretend that we haven't had extreme weather or that there's not likely to be more in our near future.
So all day long on local media I have been hearing of the approaching November weather as a level one atmospheric river , will it be extreme or were the news readers discussing Pineapple Express without mentioning such ?None of that is true.
They've always been atmospheric rivers, and the STATES have a numbering system. WE do not nor are we close to having one. If all you watch is the weather man on tv they tend to refer to it as a pineapple express and in MOST cases historically they have been. All pineapple expresses are atmospheric rivers, not all atmospheric rivers are pineapple expresses. The one that clobbered us hardest last year was not. The term has been used in meterology for years.
Check this out:
Last updated 2015.
Your lack of awareness is not the same as fact. The term is decades old. That's WHY the US has a numbering system for it.
you really were. If you're saying otherwise now then you're backpedaling
This isn't complex. There is a normal range of weather that represents the vast majority of the weather in any area. Then there are extreme events which exceed that and are unusual or rare. What has been happening is those extreme events are becoming far MORE extreme and outside the normal, and somewhat more frequent. This has been predicted as likely for a few years now and the evidence is strong it's an issue. We have had THREE very extreme events in a year, all of which vastly exceeded previous examples.
My statement was simple - given that we would be wise to take a few extra precautions. Doesn't have to be crazy - but maybe improving our water resivours or our drainage systems or making sure all new buildings are plumbed for AC (most are now anyway and it's easy to do) and educating people and the like. Taking steps to prepare for floods and wash outs of our major transport routes, etc.
If you think that's such a horrible idea then fine. Hell there's lots of people without house insurance because they feel they don't need it. I think it's a good idea. but you may not. But lets not pretend that we haven't had extreme weather or that there's not likely to be more in our near future.
No, they died because of extreme stupidity. Not necessarily their own, but stupidity. Lytton burned because of a hot bearing on a rail car. So, someone else’s stupidity.
I have no idea - canada does not have a rating system so it kind of sounds like you listen to people who just make crap up. Which actually would explain a lot.
Here - see for yourself. This is one day old.
Still no ranking system for atmospheric rivers in Canada as research continues
Environment Canada officials said research into atmospheric rivers continues, including investigation of the viability of a rating scale.
so if you're listening to a canadian weather forecaster saying that canada is about to experience a "level one" AR, i have no idea what system they're using or if they're just making shit up. But it sure isn't a canadian weather report. We don't have that system.
As to what is 'extreme' - this has been discussed. If you ACTUALLY need me to break it down like you're a 7 year old child i'll do that for you, but i suspect if you try really hard you'll get your head around it on your own. So quit pretending it's just too hard a concept to grasp. There's the usual range of weather, then there's weather outside of that. We call that extreme and the level to which it is extreme is equal to the level by which it surpasses the average.
30 km wind - not extreme. Nobody cares. 70 km wind - extreme. there's a real possibility of damage, ferries may be cancelled, power outages etc. 150 km wind - extremely extreme. (at least where i am).
Hopefully this will prevent such obviously needless questions in the future.
In a thread about extreme weather. So - you've noticed a number of occurrences of the topic being discussed in the thread where that topic is being discussed.
Seriously. Do you need me to tell you what that sounds like?
Just checked 5 stories from the financial post. Didn't find the word once. Guess i win?
Please.
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You win. Just was trying to make a point. Extreme has lost its extreme due to overuse was what I for going for.
Well you should listen and watch the lower mainland news . We are experiencing a level one atmospheric river according toCKNW and Global T . V . If they act like seven year olds take it up with them .I have no idea - canada does not have a rating system so it kind of sounds like you listen to people who just make crap up. Which actually would explain a lot.
Here - see for yourself. This is one day old.
Still no ranking system for atmospheric rivers in Canada as research continues
Environment Canada officials said research into atmospheric rivers continues, including investigation of the viability of a rating scale.vancouversun.com
so if you're listening to a canadian weather forecaster saying that canada is about to experience a "level one" AR, i have no idea what system they're using or if they're just making shit up. But it sure isn't a canadian weather report. We don't have that system.
As to what is 'extreme' - this has been discussed. If you ACTUALLY need me to break it down like you're a 7 year old child i'll do that for you, but i suspect if you try really hard you'll get your head around it on your own. So quit pretending it's just too hard a concept to grasp. There's the usual range of weather, then there's weather outside of that. We call that extreme and the level to which it is extreme is equal to the level by which it surpasses the average.
30 km wind - not extreme. Nobody cares. 70 km wind - extreme. there's a real possibility of damage, ferries may be cancelled, power outages etc. 150 km wind - extremely extreme. (at least where i am).
Hopefully this will prevent such obviously needless questions in the future.
You had to go back to april to make that work. Wow.
So basically the word shows up every month or so - and you feel overwhelmed.
You weren't trying to make a point. You were making light of tragedy and then decided to try to justify it with a pathetically weak argument. If you're going to blow off people's suffering, at least have the balls to just own it. Rather than going back a year to try to find quotes that will support your excuse.
Bud you're clearly not even watching canadian news. And while nobody knows what you mean by a 'catagory one' storm, if you're using the US system that's the mildest there is. sooooo..... don't know what you thought was going to happen....
To be blunt it just sounds like you're making shit up completely. Like 'catagory one' is like 'defcon one' in your mind or something. They said we'd have a storm. We had a storm, there's another storm starting now, there's another one behind it, nobodys suggesting they're extreme or the like.
Here's a clue in life. If you find yourself making shit up to try to make a point - you probably didn't have a very good point.
To be blunt it just sounds like you're making shit up completely. Like 'catagory one' is like 'defcon one' in your mind or something. They said we'd have a storm. We had a storm, there's another storm starting now, there's another one behind it, nobodys suggesting they're extreme or the like.
Here's a clue in life. If you find yourself making shit up to try to make a point - you probably didn't have a very good point.
You are the one who came looking for a fight. All i said was it's a good idea to prepare for extreme weather seeing as that's a thing now. You've tried everything under the sun to try to suggest there is no such thing as extreme weather, which is a completely rediculous and indefensible position. Culminating in being dishonest about 'news reports' you've heard.
Don't blame me if you picked a fight and it didn't turn out the way you wanted.