Canada’s population is booming – and we aren’t building nearly enough homes
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It's not proposed. It's a sales video showing a running line you idiot.Sure. Like i said some of what is being proposed or looked at is very promising.
The austrailians have a bricklaying robot they claim can build the frame of a house all by itself ON SITE. You just plunk it down, program in the details, and it starts laying bricks and keeps going, leaving spaces for electrics and plumbing. It can run all day and night and do pretty much everything itself.
Doesn't really help us because we don't use bricks like they do but still - it's basically a 3d printer for houses and that's pretty cool
There is a company in western Canada i was reading about that's basically prefabbing 'kits' where everything is built to spec and then the crews literally just have to tilt up the walls and connect everythning and you're good to go. They HOPE that with a little more development it'll make home building much cheaper and faster ... but so far that really isn't the case. Yet. Someday tho, that may well be our future.
But we're still a long ways away just yet.
So dealing with the real world today, we just can't build a normal house in 2 days.
Of course i was right. And i understand why you're salty about it but even YOU proved i was right. YET AGAIN! - which is getting a little weird. Habitat for humanity doesn't build homes in 2 days. And a quad takes more than 90 days other than perhaps in exceptional circumstances.
THe facts ate there plain as day. Hell YOU posted some of them.
Sadly this is just another case where something popped into your head, and you ran with it without thinking and then tried everything you could to try to make that fit into the real world, but failed.
Lets recap.
-You claimed there WAS no housing shortage - why there's TONNES of houses available just in your area alone!
That turned out to be false. I've provided two seperate sources, one from banking and one from real estate that shows that's inaccurate.
- You tried to suggests our population wasn't really going up because 2020
Well that turned out to be inaccurate. While the pandemic put the breaks on immigraiton which slowed our population growth in 2020 and 2021, things are picking up again and are returning to at or greater than prepandemic levels.
- You tried to suggest that we could be building quad plexes in 90 days no trouble.
well that turned out to be wrong. To try to make that true you suggested that using prefab components might reduce the time but forgot that it takes time to build the prefab components as well, and the fact is except for some ideal circumstances you're not going to build a quad in 90 days.
- you then claimed that habitat for humanity could build a house in 2 days!!
Well while i'm sure we all enjoyed the laugh, that's proven to be a complete joke. They take 3 days just to do framing on a small house.
So - there you go. That's where we're at.
Maybe Truss should ask Biden can we buy Michigan. The Americans bought Alaska off the Russians on the cheap. If we offer Biden £10,000 and three cans of Stella Artois, and to make Prince Harry its king and Meghan its queen consort, maybe he'd let us have it for liebensraum.
Ummm - you yourself said "the direction things are headed", not "this is where we are at". I can't buy their product for a house in Vancouver can i? Nobody in Calgary will be using their products to build will they?
So they're not available in Canada yet. So... do i need to explain this further? Is that enough? Can you work it out from there?
Your initial comment was more correct. It's the direction things are heading in. It's not what's happening in Canada now. And i also gave other examples like the auzzi robot.
But that's not how we're building homes now.
I bet you could pick up Nunavut for a song
Fact is we've got all the land we need to account for our growth for many many years (possible exception of ontario) - but our issue is in land management and planning and we're just not addressing ANY of our infrastructure needs to match our growing population.
Awww muffin
You do get worked up when you're wrong - maybe have a cookie and a nap Sorry bud - i know you wanted this NOT to be a real problem. But it's a real problem.
We don't have enough homes right now, which is what is driving prices for rent and purchase through the roof (pardon the pun). AND we don't have the ability right now to build enough to deal with that without some pretty radical changes. AND - its getting worse.
So either we have to cut immigration by a huge percent or increase our capacity to build homes by a huge percent. Or some combination thereof. And we don't want to wait 3 years for that to start or we're going to be in such a mess that i think it will lead to a very dangerous situation. We're already seeing the starts of that.
That's the way it is. And habitat for humanity isn't going to dig us out of this.
Get a quote. Or better yet check them out in Langley.
Already know 'emGet a quote. Or better yet check them out in Langley.
And they'd be the first to tell you that the lead time is longer than 90 days on anything new right now
Sooooo - yeah. The reality is it would be much faster just to do it the old fashioned way if i wanted to start now and get it done in as close to 90 days as possible.They're more an answer to the labour shortage than any huge cost savings or time savings. Their can be specific examples where they're a great choice to deal with, but probably not for the reasons you're thinking.
Go have your nap kiddo
And stop just clicking on random things on the internet and hoping it'll somehow make your point. It probably won't and just makes you look a little silly.
But not a quad plex. Which was your original claim. Your original claim on how long it took to build a house was 2 days.
Go have your nap
That was literally your position. A quad plex in 90 days, a house in 2. soooo - are you saying you're finally giving up? they were pretty rediculous claims (especially the last one).
This present day immigration policy instituted by old man communist traitor to Canada Turdeau fiasco that is going on in Canada today is all part of a globalist elite plan to flood Canada, and all white countries of the world, with millions of non-white immigrants. This is not going to be oh so great once the white folk become a minority in their own white homeland within another decade or so.
White folk in Canada are fast becoming a minority in their white homeland and this could happen in another five to seven years or so. Our present day leftist liberal immigration policy is pretty close to 85% non-white compared to approx 15% white of new immigrants that are being allowed to immigrate to Canada.
Here in Vancouver construction of new condos and townhouses is booming. Tens of thousands of new housing being built in the lower mainland of Vancouver. This is not due to any shortage but more to do with the millions of new non-white immigrants that this prime dicktator of Canada is planning on bringing to Canada in the next few years. Traffic is getting worse every day here in Vancouver. Climate change is like covid 19. Both are full of shit.
It cannot be stopped because the majority of white people are not being informed of what is really going on here. It is the likes of Soros, the WEF and that pos leader of ours who are out to destroy the old Canada that we once knew several years ago. The french gang of liberal socialists and their ilk have pretty much destroyed this once great white British/European nation and are fast replacing those two with third world unneeded and unwanted new immigrants. In five years Canada will be toast unless the white folk in this country decide that they have had enough of all of this massive third world immigration and stop it now. If it takes becoming a racist then so be it otherwise we white folk are doomed to a third world hell hole that will be created and they are not going to like it all one bit. Just my opinion of course.
Well i don't particularly have a problem with where immigrants are from, and i do think immigration is a net benefit for Canada when done properly but we can't bring in more people than we can house,
They're talking about 13 million people more total population in 19 years. That would require about 6.5 million new homes minimum to keep up. At least.
Currently we build about 250k a year and that's not net. So we're scheduled to build maybe 4.8 million homes roughly. And a lot of those are small one bedroom places.
nationalpost.com
They're talking about 13 million people more total population in 19 years. That would require about 6.5 million new homes minimum to keep up. At least.
Currently we build about 250k a year and that's not net. So we're scheduled to build maybe 4.8 million homes roughly. And a lot of those are small one bedroom places.
FIRST READING: Canada to have 50 million people, half of them immigrant families, by 2041
According to Statistic Canada projections, Canada will add 13 million new citizens over the next 19 years
You got a lot to learn about construction.Soooo - not 24 hours a day. And still humans required. Soooo - i was right again
Well thanks for confirming But - a shift is a shift. As i said whether the work is done during the day or night it makes no difference to how long it takes to get a set amount of work done as far as the project goes. If it takes x number of hours to build a wall it takes that whether the wall was made in the daytime or the night.
Now - it makes a BIG difference to the profitability of the company, which is great. Sure, SOME labour costs double and machine maintenance costs probably double but the intial costs of the machines doesn't change and the lease of the space doesn't change etc etc. So there's some real opportunity to make profit. Which is great. That means they can sell their product competitively and because it requires less overall labour they don't face the same effect from labour shortages. So yay, But - that doesn't change the fact it takes x hours to build y.
Here's the bottom line. If it were possible to build a house in 2 days as you suggest at a much reduced price... or quad plexes in 90 days at a discounted price, then developers would be doing that all day and all night. But - that's not what's actually happening. I watch hundreds and hundreds of units of townhomes and such getting built where i'm involved, and have watched developers and contractors build several homes and small business buildings in my area where i know the people and talk to them on occasion about their builds.
And they are not building houses in two days. Or quads (or even duplex structures) in 90.
These are some of the cheapest people in the world - and time is everything because they're trying to match up when they sell a 'future home' to someone and that person takes possession as closely as possible.
So - do all these businessmen just hate money? Do they just love throwing it away? That seems to be your argument - they COULD be doing it faster and cheaper, but chose not to. They COULD be building houses in 2 days - but for some reason take much longer. They COULD be putting up quads in 90 days but for some reason that just doesn't interest them. That's your argument?
Sorry but that's just not the case.
Prefabbing some elements can cut time and costs a little. Certainly with fixtures like cabinetry and such it can be big, but it's not like they were making their own toilets or the like onsite either
And we've seen more than enough proof from even your own sources that nobody is building houses from start to finish in 2 days. And they're not building quads in 90 days either except maybe under some very ideal conditions.
And that brings us back to the original issue. There is no where near enough homes in canada for our population and that situation is getting worse - AND currently the average time for a developer in most places to go from identifying a hunk of land to build on to turning things over to the owners is about 3 - 3.5 years and that doesnt' include deliberately slowing things down to address market concerns (a project may be delayed if the housing market is volitile, as we're seeing right now).
So - if the situation continues to worsen, and PP gets in in 3 years and magically day one manages to encourage developers to start building like crazy, as things are right now it would be 6 years or so before we even began to see the situation START to correct.
If he could cut that average time to 2 years, that would help but you're still talking half a decade.
And when you look at housing starts and expected population growth, that's going to be a very very serious problem. And habitat for humanity isn't going to be able to help much unfortunately.
Yeah, we have islands bigger than your country.shredded wouldn’t want to build on one though.