Omnibus: Conservative Leadership Race

Ron in Regina

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Hopefully Trudeau won’t steal the election in Canada
Here’s a weird twist. The media, under Trudeau, has gotten paid, repeatedly & well. Not all but many.

Will the media (yeah, sounds tinfoil hat-ish) allow someone like Pierre P to be elected (?) or will that become a semi-united front to Justin T’s disinformation to prevent to stop of media cash handouts?
 

Nick Danger

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I have my doubts that if Pee Pee is successful in his bid for CPC leadership that he would be running against Trudeau. I wouldn't be surprised to see some serious discussion on him stepping down come the LPC's National Conference in a year's time. There's plenty of good arguments to be made against Pee Pee as prime minister, but I think JT has lost the credibility to deliver them effectively.
 
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petros

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I have my doubts that if Pee Pee is successful in his bid for CPC leadership that he would be running against Trudeau. I wouldn't be surprised to see some serious discussion on him stepping down come the LPC's National Conference in a year's time. There's plenty of good arguments to be made against Pee Pee as prime minister, but I think JT has lost the credibility to deliver them effectively.
Creepy Freeland is next up but she'll fail to secure the PM chair.
 

taxme

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Hopefully Trudeau won’t steal the election in Canada
If the turd gets his way, there will be no more free elections in Canada. Just the communist China version of elections. Fixed elections forever. (n)
 

Nick Danger

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I haven't heard the "racists and extremists" story yet, but it strikes me as extremist in its own right, like labeling the Trudeau Liberals as "communists". Mindless mudslinging from the cheap seats.

One than that is apparent is that Mr. Poilievre's popularity has built up some serious momentum, he is gifted at stirring the emotional pot and tugging the right strings to get good turnouts at his rallies. His cries to "bring back freedom" and "remove the gatekeepers" are obviously doing something to appeal to the uncertainties and frustrations of our times, but the cynic in me can't help but notice that his speeches are devoid of any effective policy proposals, or perhaps even worse, contain hints at proposals that could do more damage than good.

We are in for a few months of great political spectator sport for sure, and it will be intersting to see who ends up leading the CPC, and what the LPC does to react, but we shouldn't lose fact that what we are watching is politics, and what plays out for you and me in the end will likely not bear much resemblance to the stuff that is pouring past politician's lips right now.

The reality of it is that government has spent a boatload of money keeping things afloat during the pandemic, that bill will come due right snappy and will likely be felt to some degree by everyone. Next, environmental issues are in the spotlight, something real needs to be done, we are past the time of half measures, that's going to hurt too as anyone who drives will be part of that plan, along with the corporate polluters who have danced away from playing their part for decades. We will have to look at wealth distribution as people are learning that the social and real costs of not paying attention to inequality are no longer hidden.
 
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pgs

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I haven't heard the "racists and extremists" story yet, but it strikes me as extremist in its own right, like labeling the Trudeau Liberals as "communists". Mindless mudslinging from the cheap seats.

One than that is apparent is that Mr. Poilievre's popularity has built up some serious momentum, he is gifted at stirring the emotional pot and tugging the right strings to get good turnouts at his rallies. His cries to "bring back freedom" and "remove the gatekeepers" are obviously doing something to appeal to the uncertainties and frustrations of our times, but the cynic in me can't help but notice that his speeches are devoid of any effective policy proposals, or perhaps even worse, contain hints at proposals that could do more damage than good.

We are in for a few months of great political spectator sport for sure, and it will be intersting to see who ends up leading the CPC, and what the LPC does to react, but we shouldn't lose fact that what we are watching is politics, and what plays out for you and me in the end will likely not bear much resemblance to the stuff that is pouring past politician's lips right now.

The reality of it is that government has spent a boatload of money keeping things afloat during the pandemic, that bill will come due right snappy and will likely be felt to some degree by everyone. Next, environmental issues are in the spotlight, something real needs to be done, we are past the time of half measures, that's going to hurt too as anyone who drives will be part of that plan, along with the corporate polluters who have danced away from playing their part for decades. We will have to look at wealth distribution as people are learning that the social and real costs of not paying attention to inequality are no longer hidden.
Why not create more wealth ?
 

Nick Danger

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Why not create more wealth ?
It's a nice thought, but still misses the point. The trouble isn't that there's not enough wealth available, it's that the whole system is designed to have it in the hands of too few. What's the sense of "creating more wealth" if it does't get distributed on a more equitable basis ?
 
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taxslave

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It's a nice thought, but still misses the point. The trouble isn't that there's not enough wealth available, it's that the whole system is designed to have it in the hands of too few. What's the sense of "creating more wealth" if it does't get distributed on a more equitable basis ?
How would you propose to spread the wealth more equitably? Aside from criminals the majority of wealthy earned it either themselves or multi generational hard work. Should couch potatoes that play video games all day long be entitled to as much wealth as a person that works 16 hr days? Do you trust our government enough to take control of the wealth distributuion?
 

petros

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It's a nice thought, but still misses the point. The trouble isn't that there's not enough wealth available, it's that the whole system is designed to have it in the hands of too few. What's the sense of "creating more wealth" if it does't get distributed on a more equitable basis ?
I love your defeatist attitude.

I doubt you could handle wealth without killing yourself with booze and dope.
 
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pgs

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It's a nice thought, but still misses the point. The trouble isn't that there's not enough wealth available, it's that the whole system is designed to have it in the hands of too few. What's the sense of "creating more wealth" if it does't get distributed on a more equitable basis ?
We are the richest civilization in history with the highest standard of living ever , why is that not something worth celebrating ? I grew up in a nice veteran housing area , lots of baby boomers . We lived in three bedroom one bathroom places often with six or more children . We were not rich , but many of my baby boomer friends have sure done well for themselves , most out earning and living more comfortable lives then their parents . How is that possible if the rich have it all ?
 
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