Omnibus: Conservative Leadership Race

Ron in Regina

"Voice of the West" Party
Apr 9, 2008
26,211
9,587
113
Regina, Saskatchewan
That's probably some very wishful thinking. Even if Poilievre had the support of all conservative voters he's still too far to the right to woo anyone over from the left, and with the NDP holding the balance of power the deal is pretty much done before it starts. Most Canadians do not want a baby-Trump making a mess up here like the one south of the line. He still faces some pretty serious opposition from within the CPC, Patrick Brown has bared his claws in a big way already.
Just curious, as opposed to what? What I’m asking is:

“Most Canadians do not want a baby-Trump making a mess up here like the one south of the line…”...as opposed to what??
 
  • Like
Reactions: B00Mer

B00Mer

Make Canada Great Again
Sep 6, 2008
46,861
8,039
113
Rent Free in Your Head
www.canadianforums.ca
That's probably some very wishful thinking. Even if Poilievre had the support of all conservative voters he's still too far to the right to woo anyone over from the left, and with the NDP holding the balance of power the deal is pretty much done before it starts. Most Canadians do not want a baby-Trump making a mess up here like the one south of the line. He still faces some pretty serious opposition from within the CPC, Patrick Brown has bared his claws in a big way already.

Canadians see what is going on in the USA, they sure don't want baby-Biden anymore.. Trudeau, Brown, whatever

If O'Toole couldn't win the last election, what makes you think Brown or some other Ontario Conservative has a chance.. they don't.

Besides, what is the best way to change a persons vote.. fuck with their pocketbook. Higher gas, higher food costs, higher interest rates.. Trudeau is fucked.
 
  • Like
Reactions: taxslave

Nick Danger

Council Member
Jul 21, 2013
1,801
465
83
Penticton, BC
If O'Toole couldn't win the last election, what makes you think Brown or some other Ontario Conservative has a chance.. they don't.
That's the point. O'Toole understood that taking the party closer to center was what they had to do to attract voters from further left. Poilievre wants to take the party further to the right. Given what went on in the US during Trump's presidency, and what we've seen anti-vaxxers and the Freedom convoy, the far right doesn't have a great reputation right now. People will just hold their collective noses and vote Liberal. And I can see some Liberals defecting to the NDP as well, both of the main parties are looking the same with their choice to engage in squabbling over governing.
 

B00Mer

Make Canada Great Again
Sep 6, 2008
46,861
8,039
113
Rent Free in Your Head
www.canadianforums.ca
That's the point. O'Toole understood that taking the party closer to center was what they had to do to attract voters from further left. Poilievre wants to take the party further to the right. Given what went on in the US during Trump's presidency, and what we've seen anti-vaxxers and the Freedom convoy, the far right doesn't have a great reputation right now. People will just hold their collective noses and vote Liberal. And I can see some Liberals defecting to the NDP as well, both of the main parties are looking the same with their choice to engage in squabbling over governing.

I will vote for mini-Trump before I vote for mini-Biden - higer gas prices, food prices.. people will see that and I belive Canadians will go Canada First in an ever shrinking global climate..

If not.. then Canada is fucked and I would leave Canada for good.. it'll be 3rd world in 5 years under Trudeau
 
Last edited:

pgs

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 29, 2008
27,712
7,540
113
B.C.
That's the point. O'Toole understood that taking the party closer to center was what they had to do to attract voters from further left. Poilievre wants to take the party further to the right. Given what went on in the US during Trump's presidency, and what we've seen anti-vaxxers and the Freedom convoy, the far right doesn't have a great reputation right now. People will just hold their collective noses and vote Liberal. And I can see some Liberals defecting to the NDP as well, both of the main parties are looking the same with their choice to engage in squabbling over governing.
I would suggest that Americans would happily return to the Trump days . I would also suggest the trucker convoy crossed party lines . But to your point of taking the party left , does nothing for those away from vote rich urban settings , and tend to be aimed at disillusioned liberals . If the conservatives cater to eastern liberals they disenfranchise their rural base .
 

Serryah

Hall of Fame Member
Dec 3, 2008
10,018
2,416
113
New Brunswick
I will vote for mini-Trump before I vote for mini-Biden - higer gas prices, food prices.. people will see that and I belive Canadians will go Canada First in an ever shrinking global climate..

If not.. then Canada is fucked and I would leave Canada for good.. it'll be 3rd world in 5 years under Trudeau

So... the fact that the tech city in China is now under lockdown, which will lead to all kinds of issues and likely more inflation... is all on Trudeau?

Man, what it must be to have the power you keep insisting the dipstick has!
 

B00Mer

Make Canada Great Again
Sep 6, 2008
46,861
8,039
113
Rent Free in Your Head
www.canadianforums.ca
For the past two years, China had at most 50-100 new daily covid cases. Now it's 5000, and it is shutting down key supply chain arteries that feed the US economy.

So bizarre

No Serryah, Mini-Biden put Canada into a situation where we are not energy dependent..

Energy supplies your power, heat, transportation of food, medical supplies, military.. he has left Canada weak and venerable..
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Serryah

Ron in Regina

"Voice of the West" Party
Apr 9, 2008
26,211
9,587
113
Regina, Saskatchewan
China and Russia are working together to take out the US economically and financially, they're in a good position to succeed.

Canada is just canon fodder with mini-Biden spreading his ass cheeks to the Climate Zar in the USA
Climate Czar in the USA? How much is the American Carbon Tax again currently (?) and how much does it increase annually?
More than a year after President Joe Biden killed the Keystone XL project, support for the pipeline has surged in the U.S. in the wake of the country’s ban on the import of Russian oil, a new poll shows.

The exclusive poll of Americans conducted by Maru Public Opinion for Postmedia found that 71 per cent of Americans think Biden should give an executive order to “green light the restart of the building of the Keystone XL pipeline that would transport oil from Canada’s oil sands region through the Midwest to refineries in Texas.”

The idea that Canadian oil and gas could help fill shortfalls in Europe and the United States has received considerable traction in the weeks since Russia invaded Ukraine, with some re-evaluating energy projects such as Keystone XL and Energy East.

While 64 per cent of American believe Canada should fill the void left following the ban on Russian oil, the challenge for Canada would be in increasing production — it could take years, not weeks or months — and figuring out how to ship it across the border. Anyway, the rest at the above link.

I believe the challenge for Canada would be to find the political will to act, & then to convince investors that they won’t get the rug yanked out from under them again or be tied up in red tape forever to accomplish less than nothing.
 

Nick Danger

Council Member
Jul 21, 2013
1,801
465
83
Penticton, BC
More than a year after President Joe Biden killed the Keystone XL project, support for the pipeline has surged in the U.S. in the wake of the country’s ban on the import of Russian oil, a new poll shows.
The elephant in the room here is the thought that we should be scaling back the production of fossil fuels for energy, not ramping up. I'd like to know where the push to breathe life back into things like Energy Easy and Keystone XL is really coming from.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Ron in Regina

B00Mer

Make Canada Great Again
Sep 6, 2008
46,861
8,039
113
Rent Free in Your Head
www.canadianforums.ca
Climate Czar in the USA? How much is the American Carbon Tax again currently (?) and how much does it increase annually?
More than a year after President Joe Biden killed the Keystone XL project, support for the pipeline has surged in the U.S. in the wake of the country’s ban on the import of Russian oil, a new poll shows.

The exclusive poll of Americans conducted by Maru Public Opinion for Postmedia found that 71 per cent of Americans think Biden should give an executive order to “green light the restart of the building of the Keystone XL pipeline that would transport oil from Canada’s oil sands region through the Midwest to refineries in Texas.”

The idea that Canadian oil and gas could help fill shortfalls in Europe and the United States has received considerable traction in the weeks since Russia invaded Ukraine, with some re-evaluating energy projects such as Keystone XL and Energy East.

While 64 per cent of American believe Canada should fill the void left following the ban on Russian oil, the challenge for Canada would be in increasing production — it could take years, not weeks or months — and figuring out how to ship it across the border. Anyway, the rest at the above link.

I believe the challenge for Canada would be to find the political will to act, & then to convince investors that they won’t get the rug yanked out from under them again or be tied up in red tape forever to accomplish less than nothing.

Ask John Kerry the Climate Zar what he thinks of that..

“Hope Putin’s war in Ukraine doesn’t get in the way of his climate goals..”
 

Ron in Regina

"Voice of the West" Party
Apr 9, 2008
26,211
9,587
113
Regina, Saskatchewan
He’s so out’a touch that he’s a goofy sound bite at this point. Real people are still trying to get to work and pay their bills and feed their families. The “Let them eat Cake!” Crowd is (or should be) an international embarrassment.

The fact that we both know that this jerk off has taken that stance and neither one of us are in America as residents is telling by itself….(damn text to talk)….
 
Last edited:

pgs

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 29, 2008
27,712
7,540
113
B.C.
The elephant in the room here is the thought that we should be scaling back the production of fossil fuels for energy, not ramping up. I'd like to know where the push to breathe life back into things like Energy Easy and Keystone XL is really coming from.
We require energy to survive in the frozen north . Until such time that we have alternative energy sources we will need carbon based power . Solar and wind are not efficient to power our countries needs .
 
  • Like
Reactions: Ron in Regina