As much as I hate it, I have to agree with that. The Cons just can't seem to find a decent leader these days.
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I just said "Even the Maritimes and some Western ridings liked him too." So, as I said from the West there were 19 and there are 24 Liberal MP's from the Maritimes (6 from NB).
I do agree with your last sentence but, he won 3 times so....
On the scale Groper's done it? Yeah, it's never been done before in Canada.
The more recent $60,000,000.00 media hand out of Trudeau CERB bucks was more broadly distributed across the spectrum, & it was ten cents on the dollar compared to the $600,000,000.00 from three years ago that was given out to select media outlets.
If the Liberal Party selects the entities on the committee that in turn decides who is worthy of receiving this $600 million (OK, $595 million), & the committee is stuffed with ‘Liberal Friendly’ groups….there can’t possibly be any stench of bias and the Liberal Party can claim to be a step removed from picking winners & losers in that Daddy-Mack dole out.
On that note, how does that “maintain the independence” of those selected media outlets (?) let alone even just the appearance of independence? Some financial independence away from non-Liberal Party advertising in exchange for…?
That still did help these other select media outlets from having to compete with the CBC so the same advertising clients (beyond having larger audiences than the CBC) could pick and choose between the the various outlets compared to the advertising quotes from the CBC offset by the BILLION$/yr CBC dole that could be used to undercut these other media outlets….so what was it for then? If straight up electronic media as well as mixed print/electronic media received portions of the $600,000,000.00 where other media outlets received none of it, how does that help to maintain their independence??
Taking money from government does not necessarily make one beholding to government. If so, each and every one of us would owe the government our allegiance forever. Especially after all the CERB etc so many have been given. So, I am not convinced print or other media should be "liberal" PR machines form now on. I think the media has been sucking on the government teats forever so, now is no different except it was made a big public deal for their own PR reasons.
The CBC is a thorn in my side.
I agree that CBC radio and TV and even Radio Canada was a necessity back when and was needed to get service to remote locations but it is not needed anymore (less and less with internet).
I think rather than funding as much as it does and allowing CBC to do programming, the government should just turn the CBC into a service that uses other sources and distributes them. That way the service gets out to those remote locations and the programming it buys from other sources help those other sources.
The $60 million is CERB Trudeau Bucks, & the $600 million dollars isn’t. Mixing the two together like they’re hand in hand or the same thing is just confusing the issue, so let’s just separate them as they’re two very different things.
Most of us (private citizens and taxpayers outside of the news media) are not expected to maintain the appearance of political impartiality like law enforcement or those that supposedly report the news to us in an impartial manner.
I too agree that the CBC with its annual Billion$ dole doesn’t create a level playing field.
You think that the $600,000,000.00 Previous to CERB, & only received by select (by a committee picked by one political party) media outlets doesn’t make them beholden to that one political party, & I think it does.
Regardless of either of our opinions, it doesn’t change the fact that it created the appearance (the stench) of non impartiality and even that affects how the media will report (or be perceived to report) the news. Can we agree on that?
Good point. "Biting the hand that feeds you" is a time-worn phrase because it happens so often.
It's argumentum ad hominem, MyOp. They're unable or too lazy to address the argument, so they attack the speaker. Literally the oldest trick in the book. Aristotle talked about it.
Please see post #130. Here’s the Wikipedia summary of the timeline of this $600,000,000.00 (& not the CERB $60 million) being addressed:
In June 2017, the CPF subsidy was re-imagined by lobby group News Media Canada (NMC) as the $350 million yearly Canadian Journalism Fund, and sold to then-minister Mélanie Joly. According to the NMC idea, the CJF would take "$175-million of our tax dollars per year to subsidize the first 35 per cent of the salaries of hundreds of journalists who are paid $85,000 or less."
In June 2018, Christie Blatchford said of a press subsidy: "God forbid Ottawa should start to subsidize newspapers too. As a journalist, the thought gives me the shudders."
As early as November 2018 it was promised for the purposes of the 2019 Canadian general election by the Trudeau Liberal Party of Canada, who promised to distribute $595 million over the subsequent five year period.
Conrad Black opined before the election that "An investment by the public sector in Canadian media can be beneficial, if it is politically even-handed and underwrites quality and originality and not just cronyism and the second-rate," and he was concerned about it propping up "corporate ineptitude" or one imagines, malfeasance.
Finance Minister Bill Morneau announced in his November 2018 economic update that "$600 million in tax credits and incentives" would be made "available to selected media outlets over the next five years" under the CPF subsidy. Morneau sought to subsidize the "vital role that independent news media play in our democracy and in our communities". At the time, Paul Godfrey who was then the CEO of Postmedia endorsed the tax credit, and said that it "could be looked upon as a turning point in the plight of newspapers in Canada... I tip my hat to the prime minister and the finance minister. They deserve a lot of credit... Everyone in journalism should be doing a victory lap around their building right now."
The March 2019 Budget established the term "qualified Canadian journalism organization" (QCJO), although it had yet to write into statute law just what a QCJO was. The wage subsidy for journalists was to be retroactive to January 2019.
In May 2019, then-Minister of Canadian Heritage Pablo Rodriguez announced that eight organisations would be "asked to select a representative to sit on the Independent Panel", to act as a gatekeeper and "define and promote core journalism standards (and) define professional journalism": News Media Canada, the Association de la presse francophone, the Quebec Community Newspaper Association, the National Ethnic Press and Media Council of Canada, the Canadian Association of Journalists, the Fédération professionnelle des journalistes du Québec, the Unifor union, and the Fédération nationale des communications.
In July 2019, a report was submitted by the Independent Panel, entitled the Journalism and Written Media Independent Panel of Experts. In order to qualify as a QCJO according to the Independent Panel, "60 per cent of the content must be written" and "50 per cent of a news outlet’s content must be original news content".
Keep in mind, this predates COVID-19 and the whole CERB program, or the shutting down of parliament only to have it run single-handedly from the Front Steps of the PM summer cottage. It stretches out over the years because there was still debate taking place in Parliament at that time regarding this payout.
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Good and bad. Rome had good ideas and bad ideas. The good ones went up in flames too.
Viewing the ensuing history of Europe, seems like the bad ones got out just fine.
Well they transformed from a Republic to an Empire which lead to the original fascism. That's probably what did them in.
But the next five hundred years were a time of unprecedented peace, freedom, and prosperity. Which is why we call 'em "The Dark Ages."
And if you think the Romans were the first fascists, you funny boy!
Well yeah, I get that, but it was the one that illuminated most of us to how discrimination works on that scale. The word fascism originates from fasci, which was a bundle of sticks around an axe, held by a Roman legionnaire.
The pax romana is greatly exaggerated. You had Greek states much earlier on that enjoyed greater liberty and civil cooperation.
The pax romana is greatly exaggerated. You had Greek states much earlier on that enjoyed greater liberty and civil cooperation.
If the CBC said that the sun rises in the west, and that was the same statement of the current government who was funding them, and the CBC stuck to the statement that the sun rises in the west, that also doesn’t prove that either the sun rises in the west or that they’re beholden to the hand feeding them. I get it.
It also doesn’t make you a misogynist racist fringe minority for thinking that the sun might actually rise in the east though…
Also if you can smell smoke it doesn’t necessarily mean that there’s a fire, but maybe you’re just smelling burnt toast and you’re just having a stroke. Generally though as a rule of thumb if there’s smoke…
Yeah, this is why your bleat about "the greatest good for the greatest number over the greatest time" is bullshit. It's unknowable.
(It also argues against the concept of rights.)