China is not Communist

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They're very much like Russia in that they are a Socialist government that influences private enterprise.

It's a form of State Capitalism.


China basically became a market economy by the end of the 90s before it joined the World Trade Organization in 2001. In the new millennium, the Chinese economy has kept its growth momentum and become more integrated with the global economy. As an account of how China became capitalist, our book focuses mainly on the first two decades of reform. Within this time frame, our account is split into two parts by a dividing event, the 1989 Student Movement.

The first part of the story is a tale of two reforms. One was designed by Beijing; its goal was to revitalize the state sector and save socialism. The other resulted from grassroots initiatives. The state‐led reform came in two phases. The first one started at the end of 1976 under Hua Guofeng. Hua was Maos designated successor, who consolidated his power base after arresting the “Gang of Four” and ending the Cultural Revolution. Even though loyal to Mao, Hua was an economic modernizer.

With full support of Deng Xiaoping and other Chinese leaders, Hua launched his economic program of modernization, which would be later disparaged as “the Leap Outward.” Essentially, it was a stateled, investment‐driven program, with a focus on heavy industry; it is a good example of what economists called “big‐push industrialization.”

 
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They're very much like Russia in that they are a Socialist government that influences private enterprise.

It's a form of State Capitalism.


China basically became a market economy by the end of the 90s before it joined the World Trade Organization in 2001. In the new millennium, the Chinese economy has kept its growth momentum and become more integrated with the global economy. As an account of how China became capitalist, our book focuses mainly on the first two decades of reform. Within this time frame, our account is split into two parts by a dividing event, the 1989 Student Movement.

The first part of the story is a tale of two reforms. One was designed by Beijing; its goal was to revitalize the state sector and save socialism. The other resulted from grassroots initiatives. The state‐led reform came in two phases. The first one started at the end of 1976 under Hua Guofeng. Hua was Maos designated successor, who consolidated his power base after arresting the “Gang of Four” and ending the Cultural Revolution. Even though loyal to Mao, Hua was an economic modernizer.

With full support of Deng Xiaoping and other Chinese leaders, Hua launched his economic program of modernization, which would be later disparaged as “the Leap Outward.” Essentially, it was a stateled, investment‐driven program, with a focus on heavy industry; it is a good example of what economists called “big‐push industrialization.”

What China and Russia both are is Thugocracies. Run by the same goons that ran them when they were called communist making all the loot while the people live in poverty. The rest of the article is mostly self serving bafflegab.
 
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Guys, I know this is difficult for you to grasp, but this thread is about China being a socialist state instead of a communist one.

It's not about how much better they are performing on per capita emissions than Alberta.

Just so we're clear, it's NOT about how they are performing better than Alberta on climate change.
 

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Guys, I know this is difficult for you to grasp, but this thread is about China being a socialist state instead of a communist one.

It's not about how much better they are performing on per capita emissions than Alberta.

Just so we're clear, it's NOT about how they are performing better than Alberta on climate change.
A socialist is just a communist in an Armani suit. And to be clear China is not socialist. It is a Thugocracy like all communist countries are and have ever been.That is why they have fences and guards to keep the pissants in.
 
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A socialist is just a communist in an Armani suit. And to be clear China is not socialist. It is a Thugocracy like all communist countries are and have ever been.That is why they have fences and guards to keep the pissants in.

China is a socialist country.

Much in the same way we are becoming one.

And good for that too. Better we transition to socialism (with potentially communism afterward, though I'm fine with never going there) than fascism.
 

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China is a socialist country.

Much in the same way we are becoming one.
If we continue the way we are headed that is a distinct possibility. Most likely the money will run out before we descend to the level of Greece. I know you freeloaders don't care about your grandkids paying your debts, but when their generation takes control they will eliminate all your pension benefits to pay your fair share of the interest on the debt you wracked up.
 
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If we continue the way we are headed that is a distinct possibility. Most likely the money will run out before we descend to the level of Greece. I know you freeloaders don't care about your grandkids paying your debts, but when their generation takes control they will eliminate all your pension benefits to pay your fair share of the interest on the debt you wracked up.
we have sent our manufacturing sector running overseas, killed our fisheries ,made regulation so stifling it takes over a year just to get the permits and licenses in place to build a house . Try building a pipeline , or even a nice green windfarm or open a mine and go through five to ten years of environmental revues and consultations with stakeholders at all levels of government including aboriginal. we are in debt up to the eyeballs but we can afford to go full on socialist . Yup some people sure live in a dream world .
 

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If we continue the way we are headed that is a distinct possibility. Most likely the money will run out before we descend to the level of Greece. I know you freeloaders don't care about your grandkids paying your debts, but when their generation takes control they will eliminate all your pension benefits to pay your fair share of the interest on the debt you wracked up.

Greece is doing quite well these days.

Debt is meaningless.
 

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we have sent our manufacturing sector running overseas, killed our fisheries ,made regulation so stifling it takes over a year just to get the permits and licenses in place to build a house . Try building a pipeline , or even a nice green windfarm or open a mine and go through five to ten years of environmental revues and consultations with stakeholders at all levels of government including aboriginal. we are in debt up to the eyeballs but we can afford to go full on socialist . Yup some people sure live in a dream world .

Fear mongering. We are doing much better with the Liberals than we did with Harper.

People aren't buying into capitalism anymore so Conservatives have an uphill battle.

Harper did like his free trade deals with China though. Maybe the Cons should bring those back 😂
 
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Fear mongering. We are doing much better with the Liberals than we did with Harper.

People aren't buying into capitalism anymore so Conservatives have an uphill battle.

Harper did like his free trade deals with China though. Maybe the Cons should bring those back 😂
Dead wrong. As usual.
 
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Fear mongering. We are doing much better with the Liberals than we did with Harper.

People aren't buying into capitalism anymore so Conservatives have an uphill battle.

Harper did like his free trade deals with China though. Maybe the Cons should bring those back 😂
So the cod fishery is coming back ? Manufacturing is returning and stifling regulations are being streamlined , good to know . But please show me where .
 
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Debt may be meaningless to you and the rest of the fiscally incompetent crowd. To everyone else it is top of the list of important items.

No, unlike people 'like you' personal debt is important.

But the US has record debt (because of Trump) and Japan, one of the most successful capitalist countries in the world, also has the highest debt.

When the creditor is domestic, government debt doesn't matter.
 
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No, unlike people 'like you' personal debt is important.

But the US has record debt (because of Trump) and Japan, one of the most successful capitalist countries in the world, also has the highest debt.

When the creditor is domestic, government debt doesn't matter.
Jacking off the dog(GDP) to feed the cat(debt) doesn't work with more than one cat. A puppy(growth) is needed. 2 cats with only half a belly of dog jizz aren't as productive and use more resources than one. Japan is having to not just jerk off the dog. They have to divert some of the dog food to the cats. Things seem okay but after a decline in food the dog isn't producing enough jizz as it used to and now along comes another kitten and there is zero dog jizz left so a puppy is out of the question. Uh oh...more kittens. Now what? You have to kill the dog to feed the cats and give them all the dog food.

Heeeeeeeere Floooooosssssy, come on boy.
 

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China is capitalistic enough...they took obummer and fauci's covid money quick enough.
 
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